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#1141 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed May 24, 2006 11:23 pm

All I have to say is WFT!!!?
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#1142 Postby wx247 » Wed May 24, 2006 11:23 pm

Of course, they don't want Hurley anymore. :eek:
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#1143 Postby Miss Mary » Wed May 24, 2006 11:24 pm

Thanks for that link lurker.

Is anyone familiar with the movie The Truman Show? If so, then maybe that plot came to mind tonight, numerous times, as it did to me:

1. When Desmond is trying to navigate his sailboat in a fierce storm.
2. When Henry Gale is told that Kate knows the beard is fake. "She knows." Knows what? That it's all a Hollywood set? LOL
3. The round sphere in the Dharma films reminds me of the sphere as Cristof looks down on Truman's town.
4. The bright light and eeary sound reminded me when they brought the sun up and made it be daylight, in the movie.

I half expected to see Ed Harris/Cristof controlling things from his command center! If only one comparison, I wouldn't mention it, but at least 4 I counted? Mmmm, what are the writers telling us?
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#1144 Postby O Town » Wed May 24, 2006 11:37 pm

Miss Mary wrote:Oh she's a cutie. And probably the sweetest, kindest and best genuinely good person on this island. I'm surprised they didn't want Claire! Unless Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sawyer were wanted for other purposes.

I think they are because Sawyer doen't seem to fit the good guys bill, although he seems to have a good heart with a tough exterior.
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#1145 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 25, 2006 7:11 am

I am so tired today! I stayed up late reading the Lost board on the IMDB site.

Do I understand any of what we saw? Not yet!

Were you all happy with the Finale? Me? I'd rather them not introduce new characters at this point and expand on the ones they have already. But that's just my 2 cents worth.....

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#1146 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 25, 2006 7:26 am

Here's the TV Guide Watercooler critique.....be sure to click on the link in case you want to read fans' comments. They usually have multiple pages of them.

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa ... =700000055

Lost
by Angel Cohn

May 24, 2006: Who Are You People?

Eko was right. It actually was important to push the button. Who knew? Otherwise there are flying forks, and really who is going to clean up that mess? That is, if that mess is still there to clean up. After than bizarre noise and bright violet light caused by Desmond activating the failsafe, I'm pretty sure it is all but destroyed... yet Charlie made it out in one piece, so I guess there is hope for Locke and Eko. But probably not for good old Desmond. Which is going to annoy the heck out of Penny when she and her team eventually discover the island. When she found Des in L.A. she told him that "with enough money and determination you can find anyone." She's got a hefty cashflow as the Widmore clan seems to own a lot of big stuff. But I guess that's also how she's able to pay that Portugese speaking crew to find her boyfriend who was lost at sea. I just don't understand, if they are, I'm guessing, close to the island, why are they in the middle of a blizzard and wearing hats and gloves. But on an island with polar bears, I guess it all makes sense. Oh, and I'm really wondering if there ever really was a race, or if it was just a set up between a Hanso honcho and Daddy Widmore to get Desmond out of the way.

So Desmond... he got dishonorably discharged from his position as a Lance Corporal in the royal Scottish regiment of her majesty's armed forces. He went to prison, turned down cash to leave his ex-girlfriend alone, met Libby, took her dead husband's boat and set sail on a world wide journey in order to win the top prize that Penny's pops was offering to the challenge winner. Did anyone else think it was funny that Penny's dad was Caleb on The O.C. and the boat that Desmond was sailing was from Newport beach? Just me? I really think I watch too much TV sometimes. But it beats sitting in a hatch and pressing a button every 108 minutes. No wonder Radzinksy (the blue light map painter) killed himself and Desmond was suicidal. I did like that Kelvin, the man who had convinced Sayid to work for the U.S., was also connected to the island as another button pusher. Interesting twist, but I've still got to wonder how Kelvin knew it was safe outside the hatch without the biohazard suit on. He was cautious enough to wear it when he picked up Des on the beach. Now I'm curious, if Desmond's failure to push the button in a timely manner lead to the plane crash, did something that Kelvin do lead to the storm that caused Desmond to shipwreck? Though on his second trip around he was just automatically kept within the island's secret barriers, so that wasn't magnet related, right? Also, has anyone read Dickens' Our Mutual Friend? If so, does it have anything that could be construed as a clue? I've sure got my reading list for the summer just from this show.

As for everything with the Others... I'm not even sure where to begin. With Walt, they claim got more than they bargained for. What does that mean, that he was using his psychic powers to hurt some of their staffers, or they got everything they needed from him and more. What exactly are they using the fuselagies for? Are they really going to let Michael and Walt just go? It just seems to easy, or will the compass point 325 lead Mike to Sayid's current destination? Do the Others know that Sayid tracked them down and visited their abandoned beachfront community? And was Rectangle Hatch just a facade to convince Michael that there was something there? It certainly seemed that way. Also, is not-Henry the "man"? He said that the bearded guy wasn't even close to the top of the food chain, and when not-Henry made his dramatic water entrance he certainly took charge. So is he the bigwig, or does he still report to someone else? Oh, and I'm confused why they picked Hurley, or Hugo, to trek across the island then be set free to warn his fellow friends not to come back to that part of the island. Seems odd, but I guess they figure Hurley is someone that people will listen to. I kind of understand why they'd want Kate, Jack and Sawyer, the three of them are kind of rabble rousers with a desire to put a stop to the Others. But without them around the fuselagies will be in sorely need of medical attention, or some supply only Jack has. Plus, I just don't trust not-Henry to keep his promise to Michael about not hurting his friends. I think once that boat is out of site, they are all in trouble. It should be really interesting to see what happens with this storyline next season. The Others and some of the Fuselagies co-mingling and not because they've been abducted and have memory loss.

Some of my favorite parts of the episode: Sawyer's expression when he found out that caught in the net wasn't a euphemism for something else; The big foot with only four toes that reminded me of those big statues from Lord of the Rings; the bird that called Hurley's name; The pneumatic tubes from the Pearl station just landing in the middle of nowhere; Charlie and Claire's cute little kiss; Locke almost having a moment of regret or at least reconsideration of the events leading up to the murder of a poor sweet Boone; Sun not backing down to either Jin or Sayid when the wanted her to stay on crashdown beach; and the look on Hurley's face when he discovered that Michael was the one who killed Ana Lucia and Libby.

I do love how the writers sort of tease that they are watching and listening to fan discussions by slyly placing in comments about some of the popular theories. "My theory? They're aliens," Sawyer playfully comments about the Others. And Desmond during his frustration shouted "We are stuck in a bloody snowglobe." A nod to the ever popular St. Elsewhere theory.

Oh if you are playing along with the interactive game, today's commercial was brought to you by monster.com and the website to visit is http://www.HansoCareers.com. If you are into discussing more about the online game, discuss with other fans here. If you haven't started yet, there should be enough clues there and over the last few recaps to get you started. It is going to be a long summer after all and you'll need something to do.
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#1147 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu May 25, 2006 7:41 am

Anybody notice after Locke (is that his name?) smashed the computer monitor so no one could press the button, the countdown timer was on 3:11 and then Desmond said something to the effect of "You just killed us all."

311 is the medical code for clinical depression. Okay, not quite suicide, so I guess that's pushing it a bit. But I thought it was an interesting coincidence. Of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with the real mysteries of this crazy show that I'll never get because I've now only seen 4 episodes.

Hmmm....that St. Elsewhere theory sounds interesting.
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#1148 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 25, 2006 7:43 am

Duckie - that 311 probably does mean something. By now fans pay attention to the tiniest details. Books, music they're playing in the hatch. They pick up a box of food and someone zeroes in on the expiration date. I'm serious! I have to stop reading that IMDB Lost board....some real nutjobs hang out there.

I can't get past the Truman Show comparisons today.

I have heard the St. Elsewhere theory too. One of my all time favorite shows. Among my top 5.

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#1149 Postby wx247 » Thu May 25, 2006 8:17 am

Let me just say... that was an awesome episode! WARNING: If you have not seen last night's season finale and you don't want to know what happened... don't read below.

1) This is the first time we have seen people away from the island alive in real-time. To me... that is significant. I feel that shows us that this is a real island. I do agree with the LOST Watercooler comment... where are these people that are in the blizzard?

2) Ok... so Libby's full first name is Elizabeth. She was once in a loony bin, but has a very rich husband who died a month ago in the flashback and she is willing to give up this boat. Hmmm... something doesn't make sense to me. I think this is a set-up to get Desmond on the island in the first place.

3) I can't see Locke not surviving the "event". He is one of the most popular characters on the show. Plus, there is more to tell with his story.

4) I actually told a couple of friends the other day that I had a theory that the magnet caused the plane to crash. Where I went wrong was that I expected another plane to crash last night. Maybe it did across the island?

5) Are the Others actually good? I am confused about their role. They seemed a lot more "normal" last night... except for Henry Gale... he's still creepy. By the way, I don't believe he is the leader. There's someone bigger.

My brain is swimming this morning and can't really concentrate on the total episode, but I thought I would put that all out there.
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#1150 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 25, 2006 8:34 am

More TV Guide ramblings from Angel Cohn....I love it!

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa ... =700000055

Lost
by Angel Cohn

Hanso Honcho on Jimmy Kimmel Live

I'm sure most of you were still reeling from last night's Lost, like I was. My poor little head is overwhelmed at the moment, but did anyone else catch Hugh McIntyre, the communications director for the Hanso Foundation on Jimmy Kimmel Live? It was cool in a sort of surreal way.

In case you didn't get to watch, here's what you missed. Mr. McIntyre who was via satellite from Copenhagen Denmark on a very static-filled feed. Jimmy, who is a big fan of Lost, asking Hugh if he'd ever seen the show. McIntyre smirkly replied that he "saw it once and found it confusing." Funny. He then went on to say that the Hanso Foundation is in no way affiliated with Lost. The writers and producers of the show had chosen to attach themselves to their foundation, which the Hanso peeps found flattering. The Hanso execs are using the commercial time during Lost to set the record straight about their organization. He wouldn't comment on the hatches, as the Dharma Initiative had been shut down in 1987 and apparently details are confidential. He claimed to have met Alvar Hanso and said the reason he is so elusive is because he's so busy. Whatever, Rupert Murdoch is one busy and rich guy too, but I still see him in the elevator sometimes.

Hugh then discussed the website claiming that Joop is being mistreated and claimed that the person who made that site is just trying to sell T-shirts. He also said that the reason he looked nothing like the photo on the http://www.savejoop.com website was a simple production error by the Hanso webmaster. His final statement, "We don't engage in secrecy. We're here to be as clear and transparent as possible."

Basically there wasn't a lot of new information, but I love that the writers and producers are really making an extra effort to make Hanso seem "real."
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#1151 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 25, 2006 8:41 am

Here's another....this one on CNN's website. Someone shove me out the door, I've got to get to work! My head is swimming with Lost theories. God-Almighty, I love this show! LOL

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/2 ... index.html

'Lost' finale leaves viewers a little less lost

Thursday, May 25, 2006; Posted: 7:55 a.m. EDT (11:55 GMT)

Editor's Note: The following story contains spoilers. If you'd rather not know what happened on "Lost," please stop reading now.

As promised, "Lost" viewers were left with plenty to ponder but juicy answers to savor as well, thanks to Wednesday's season finale of the ABC mystical adventure series.

Go no further if you don't want to know what happened (or may have happened).

Roughly two months -- or, more accurately, two TV seasons in real time -- after Oceanic Flight 815 crash-landed by this lost tropical island, viewers learned:

The sailboat seen at the end of last week's episode belonged to Desmond, who had been found at the start of this season in the hatch when the castaways first made their entrance. Grateful to hand to someone else the weird computer-entry task, Desmond ran away -- and set sail in the boat he had arrived in years earlier. But after 2 1/2 weeks on the water, he had gotten nowhere. "There's no outside world, there's no escape," he wailed, drunk and despondent, when the castaways retrieved him from the sailboat just offshore.
What may have caused the jetliner's crash: an excessive buildup of electromagnetic energy that Desmond, as the hatch's occupant at the time, failed to properly diffuse.
Why that numbered sequence (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) needed to be entered on the keyboard every 108 minutes: To diffuse the powerful buildup safely. So the audience learned that the button really did need to be pushed, and wasn't a meaningless exercise after all, which became a season-long issue that on the finale fueled a raging argument between Locke (the disillusioned former believer) and Mr. Eko (the fiercely loyal convert to the button-pushing cause). After an explosion in the hatch, they were both unaccounted for.
Finally, Michael seemed to prove without a doubt that he would sell out his friends to save himself and his son, Walt, who was kidnapped at the end of last season by the Others.
After having been brainwashed by the Others, Michael had gunned down fellow castaways Ana Lucia and Libby a few episodes ago to facilitate the escape of Henry, an "Other" from across the island whom the castaways had been holding captive.

Then -- despite the best efforts of Jack and Sayid to outmaneuver him -- Michael made good on his plan to deliver Jack, Hurley, Sawyer and Kate to the Others in exchange for getting Walt back.

Hurley was released by the Others with an order to return to camp and warn the rest of the castaways against retaliating.

"But what about my friends?" Hurley protested.

"Your friends are coming home with us," said Henry, the Other who had been held in the hatch.

While Jack, Sawyer and Kate looked on, bound and gagged, Michael and Walt were given a motor boat to make their safe escape.

"My hunch is, you won't say a word to anybody," Henry told Michael as he sent him on his way, "because if you do, people will find out what you did to get your son back."

"Who ARE you people?" asked Michael, voicing the question that has plagued "Lost" viewers all season.

"We're the good guys, Michael," Henry said simply.

Disinclined to argue and at last reunited with Walt, Michael piloted his boat to apparent freedom.

Hoods were pulled over the heads of Jack, Sawyer and Kate. Their safety while in the Others' custody was assured by Henry. But viewers will have to wait until fall to see. (Watch how "Lost" is casting its web far and wide -- 2:02)
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#1152 Postby sunny » Thu May 25, 2006 8:44 am

Guys - Mary and I are discussing something via PM-----Kelvin, that was Kate's dad, right?
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#1153 Postby lurkey » Thu May 25, 2006 9:26 am

sunny wrote:Guys - Mary and I are discussing something via PM-----Kelvin, that was Kate's dad, right?


No. Kelvin was the CIA agent in Sayid's flashback.
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#1154 Postby sunny » Thu May 25, 2006 9:28 am

lurker_from_nc wrote:
sunny wrote:Guys - Mary and I are discussing something via PM-----Kelvin, that was Kate's dad, right?


No. Kelvin was the CIA agent in Sayid's flashback.


I thought he was the Army Sergeant (or whatever) Sayid was captured by in Iraq. And that was Kate's dad. He and Desmond talked about Kelvin being in the Army, didn't they?
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#1155 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu May 25, 2006 10:03 am

Wayne was Kate's dad...and isn't he dead now?
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#1156 Postby sunny » Thu May 25, 2006 10:06 am

I thought Wayne was the step-dad? The one she killed, right?

Okay, I'm all confused now!
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#1157 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu May 25, 2006 10:13 am

I've read on a few sites that she later found out he was her real dad...could that be right?

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qst ... FlZUVFeXk3

Kate murdered Wayne - the abusive stepfather she later realized was her biological dad - in "What Kate Did," an absorbing episode that returned the action to the Swan side of the island....


Of course, with the way things are on this show, thirty people might think one thing is correct, while thirty other fans might have taken away some totally different interpretation from something that happened...or appeared to happen.
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#1158 Postby sunny » Thu May 25, 2006 10:14 am

hmmmm, I'll have to go back and watch that episode again. I remember the guy in Iraq had a picture of Kate, they showed him looking at it when they were turning Sayid loose.
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#1159 Postby lurkey » Thu May 25, 2006 11:58 am

Sunny --

The guy with the picture of Kate in One of Them (Season 2 Ep 14)was her dad (the one Kate thought was her biological dad, but actually wasn't(What Kate Did Season 2 Ep 9). The CIA agent that convinced Sayid to turn on his fellow soliders and eventually released Sayid is said to be Kelvin (I won't go into the clone/twin brother theories), also known as Joe Inman in One of the Them (Season 2 Ep 14).
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#1160 Postby sunny » Thu May 25, 2006 12:29 pm

Cool NC! Thanks :D

Just found this, too:

The full cast listing for the finale yields some very interesting, and long rumored, information:

CIA Agent Inman, from the Sayid Centric episode "One Of Them", is indeed Kelvin. Now, the question this raises is this: (Hit continue for the spoilers)

Is Kelvin/Inman the mysterious HIM? It has been rumored for months that Clancey Brown was returning in the finale as Kelvin. Other accounts had him returning as the mysterious "him", of "are you him?" and "He is a great man." fame. Could both be true?

Does this mean my dream that Clancey Brown joins the cast of LOST as the featured baddie, has come true? Looks like we are going to find out!

Posted by DocArzt at 07:28 PM | Lost Spoilers

http://www.thetailsection.com/lost_spoi ... nrys_a.php
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