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#81 Postby spinfan4eva » Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:03 am

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Scorpion wrote:I wouldn't mind experiencing a Cat 5...I would want to chase it. I guess I can be qualified as a thrill-seeker.


And how would you experience ?. No human can stand outside in a CAT5 and survive it!!!! Why do you think we have no or very few measurements of CAT5 winds? Why do you think we have very few films of CAT5 conditions? Same reason. None of the equipment can stand it!! When you are crawling out from under the debris that was your "safe house", if you can, then get back to me. Trust me, you have experienced nothing when it comes to storms if you can truly wish a CAT5 to come through where you live. BTDT, and don't want to experience it again and it wasn't/they weren't a CAT5 where I was.


I think the reason there are no films are because only the areas evacuated for storm surge actually see the cat 5 wind conditions and nobody is crazy enough to stay where they are sure to drown in surge flooding. By the time the storm moves inland, its much weaker so people think they are viewing a cat 5 but by then its probably only a 2 or 3. Like I am not in an evac zone cause im 20 miles from the coast so I would stay for a 5 cause by the time it got to me-even if I saw the eye, I would expect cat 2 or 3 conditions which would be a decently wild experience-Just hope I would still have AC afterwards :eek:
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#82 Postby CycloneCarl » Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:04 am

I think some of you need to lighten up a bit, and see youthful enthusiasm as the thirst for life experience that it really is.

I have been though many tropical cyclones, having first hand experience of the destruction and mayhem that major systems wreak near where they make landfall.

I will never forget the intoxicating rush of the mix of fear and excitement of being in the outer eyewall of a Cat 5 cyclone approaching landfall while hearing the incredibly loud roar of the winds punctuated by intense crashes as dozens of flying house bricks were smashing the roof tiles above my head, watching cracks running down the joins between the concrete blocks in the walls of the room, and making peace with my Maker being fully aware that I may not be alive by dawn.

It turned out my time on Earth was not up that morning, and I came through the experience with a much greater understanding of the power of nature, the reality of my own mortality, and a deeper appreciation for life.

While I do not wish destruction and mayhem on anyone, I appreciate the sheer beauty and awesome power of mother nature in the raw, and still feel a rush of awe and excitement mixed with apprehension when I see a cyclone forming.

I understand the fear and apprehension that some feel after experiencing a major hit by a cyclone, appreciating the impacts of any material and personal losses that may occur, and the time it may take afterward to work through the issues raised to regain a sense of balance in life.

No amount of youthful enthusiasm or '-removed-' (whatever that is) expressed on this board is going to make an iota of difference to the track or intensity of any tropical cyclone, and trying to suppress such expressions is counter-productive and is a clear signal that one has life-issues that need resolving. - Edit to add: so take a few deep breaths and ignore such posts, as you simply need more time to heal from the effects your experiences.

When youthful enthusiasm turns to foolishness, for example:

Scorpion wrote:I wouldn't mind experiencing a Cat 5...I would want to chase it. I guess I can be qualified as a thrill-seeker.

Scorpion wrote:I would chase it in my car. Get in a concrete parking garage and film the winds. Shouldn't be dangerous.


An appropriate response could be something like:

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Professional chasers are well aware of the danger they are putting themselves in, and they carefully assess the risks they are taking while keeping their own safety in mind, knowing full well that one mistake could cost their life.

A car is not a safe vehicle for chasing any hurricane, let alone a Cat 5:

Geoff Mackley, professional videographer / cyclone chaser, in this page wrote:...Cyclone Vance hit the town of Exmouth in March 1999 and was the most powerful cyclone to make landfall in Australian history.  I was in Exmouth when Cyclone Vance struck producing a record wind speed of 267 kph (165 mph)...
...It was obvious to me at that time that driving around in a Category 5 cyclone would either be a quick way to get killed or at least a good way of destroying an expensive rental car...or both. There had to be a way of achieving this.....

If you wish to see what a custom designed chase vehicle for a region that regularly gets major cyclones looks like, see Geoff Mackley's first custom chase vehicle: http://www.rambocam.com/archive/madmax.html. After driving this vehicle into several major landfalling cyclones, Geoff realised he needed something better - you can see his latest chase vehicle at: http://www.rambocam.com/archive/cyclonetruck.html.

If you believe filming a Cat 5 from a concrete parking garage is not dangerous, then you are are certainly not qualified to chase hurricanes, and no qualified chaser would want you anywhere near their team for safety reasons, as your attitude puts both you and anyone with you in mortal danger.
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#83 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:35 am

Cyclonecarl - - - keep in mind that a Cat. 5 cyclone in Australia is not the same thing as a Cat. 5 hurricane in America. For example, Cyclone Larry actually would have only been a high end Cat. 4 storm in America. (It also seems like Australia bases their storms on gusts), either way that was an amazing story of what you had to go through in your home. That would freak me out for sure.

As for Scorpions comments - - - I can see where he is coming from, because I like the thrill of storms too, but that would all change in a major hurricane. A category 1 or 2 can be exiting and fun, but once my area is expecting Cat. 3 force winds or higher it gets scary. No one wants to be in their house as the windows shatter, the roof tears off, the garage door smashes in, and the front door rips off. If my area was expecting sustained winds of 111mph or greater I would not be so thrilled. Last year with Rita there was even talk of winds possibly sustained at 100-110mph in Houston (if it hit dead on as a Cat. 4), and I was getting a little scared. Thank god it weakend and turned at the last minute.
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#84 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:40 am

I think that we are paying much attention to Scorpion as that is what he wants.Let's not feed his egos and leaving him alone is the best thing to do.
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#85 Postby msbee » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:13 am

cycloneye wrote:I think that we are paying much attention to Scorpion as that is what he wants.Let's not feed his egos and leaving him alone is the best thing to do.


Amen to that Luis!
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#86 Postby caribepr » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:35 am

cycloneye wrote:I think that we are paying much attention to Scorpion as that is what he wants.Let's not feed his egos and leaving him alone is the best thing to do.


I'd add just one thing to that...encouraging Scorpion to go into a career that would fulfill his desire for thrills and inject some reality into his life...firefighter, police, electrical worker, journalist, Peace Corps, etc. There are correlating career programs for young people he could get involved in that could provide all sorts of thrills.
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#87 Postby kevin » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:44 am

-removed- is what makes me need breaks from reading Storm2k. If there weren't so many people who shouldn't have technical opinions voicing them, it really would be a great source of information. The people I don't enjoy

1. Make forecasts with enormous location correlations. They have no knowledge of meteorology besides what one could pick up here, don't understand how to analyze the models, and talk about things like gut feelings.

2. The intensity zealots who want every single tropical wave to become a category 5 hurricane.

3. People who believe that nature can do anything, including develop thunderstorms into hurricanes when there is 80kts of shear over the system.

Those people annoy the heck out of me. But they shouldn't be denied the right to post their drivel, its just a matter of recognizing the posters who post this nonsense and never viewing their threads and passing by their names very quickly when scanning a thread.
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#88 Postby Frank P » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:45 am

GalvestonDuck wrote:
Scorpion wrote:I would chase it in my car. Get in a concrete parking garage and film the winds. Shouldn't be dangerous.


Chase it in your car?!?!?!

It's a hurricane (hours long), not a tornado (minutes long).

Besides, you don't chase hurricanes...hurricanes chase you!


good point GD.... anyone wanting to thrill seek and chase a hurricane just come on down to the MS coast and see what Katrina did to the concrete parking garages at the casinos... first two levels are gone.... had Katrina not weaken and maintained that Cat 5 status as she came inland you probably could have expected the entire concrete parking garages to have been leveled...... I can tell you this, the entire MS coast residents and many businesses are rethinking how they will deal with the next big storm...

I talked to a guy yesterday in the St. Martin area in North Biloxi across the bay.. his story of survival, after his house was leveled early in the storm by the surge, being thrashed about by the surge waves and debris piles, and then having to cling on a tall pine for hours during the storm was just surreal.. he pointed out to me the pine tree he rode out the storm in after losing his house... it had to be at least 25-30 feet up in the air... oh yeah, he'll never ride out another storm, this was his last... its a shame he had to learn the hard way... several of his neighbors did not make it though...

yeah for the next big major y'all come on down to MS all you thrill seekers.... heck you can even use my FEMA trailer on the beach on HWY 90... NO CHARGE...
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#89 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:19 am

I smell a RAT in this darn thread too. :roll:


EXCELLENT post Frank!!
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#90 Postby P.K. » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:27 am

Extremeweatherguy wrote:Cyclonecarl - - - keep in mind that a Cat. 5 cyclone in Australia is not the same thing as a Cat. 5 hurricane in America. For example, Cyclone Larry actually would have only been a high end Cat. 4 storm in America. (It also seems like Australia bases their storms on gusts),


It is very close though, a low end cat 5 of 200km/h sustained would convert to about 125kts in one minute sustained winds.
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#91 Postby x-y-no » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:27 am

I don't think this is an issue that needs any formalized policy. The mods do a fine job of reining people in when they cross the line, and this place has such a strong contingent of pros and strong amateurs that the real information will always be prominent, IMHO.

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#92 Postby bvigal » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:30 am

MJ, let's not encourage him into police work (the other choices very good!). Thrill-seekers are not the optimum personality profile for law enforcement. :lol:

I think this is a great thread, and good to get this discussion aired and out of the way now while it's quiet.

To me -removed- is not just the "I wish it would get Cat 5" and "I hope it comes here". But it's also 30 posts in one thread of "I think this has a good chance to develop", when it's blaringly obvious it's NOT possible. But the wisher refuses to listen to more experienced and knowledgeable advice.

And, it's not so much -removed- that bothers me, anyway. It's non-essential repetitive posts during an actual event, that makes it hard or impossible to read the board. Some of us really RELY on this place for critical information, because we don't have local resources you enjoy on the mainland!!

When something is brewing or already developed, there can be a tendency for those with short attention span to just creat a new thread if they don't see their topic in the 1st 5 lines. In 10 minutes a very important discussion can end up on page 2, and the board can slow to a crawl, making those of us with slow internet very frustrated.

I would politely ask everyone to please just keep this in mind when you are posting. Someone may be very much impacted by your actions, and for them, it's more than just entertainment. :D
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#93 Postby Frank P » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:35 am

Lindaloo wrote:I smell a RAT in this darn thread too. :roll:


EXCELLENT post Frank!!


thanks Linda... you and I, along with all the fine folks along the coast are living the affects of a major storm in our area... we know and we're quite sensitive about it.. .... Katrina not only devastated our homes and businesses, it damaged out psyche as well... people are forever changed, and many scarred for life

I've always been fascinated and excited by storms and have tracked them for years... But I can honestly say that after Katrina, I hope I NEVER EVER see another major hurricane in my life... and folks that is -removed- at its best... sad thing is that it will be years before my area is back to "normal".... but we're getting better every month... boy I wish the Olive Garden was still just down the block from me...
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#94 Postby bvigal » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:37 am

Thanks to Stephanie, she knows why!
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#95 Postby JPmia » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:45 am

bvigal wrote:wonderful forecaster
this was written as that word, it displays otherwise
the board is hacked


It sure is...deleted my posts three times to change that word! Funny hack though. Wishcaster
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#96 Postby Scorpion » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:55 am

It's not a hack... its Storm2K policy to change the word "-removed-" to wonderful forecaster
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#97 Postby GalvestonDuck » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:37 am

Scorpion wrote:It's not a hack... its Storm2K policy to change the word "-removed-" to wonderful forecaster


LOL! No, obviously it doesn't change the word "-removed-" or you wouldn't have been able to type it. It changes a similar word -- the same word but with "-er" on the end.

Now relax, everybody...no big thing...no hacking involved.
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#98 Postby Stephanie » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:45 am

bvigal wrote:Thanks to Stephanie, she knows why!


N/P :wink:
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#99 Postby Stephanie » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:47 am

GalvestonDuck wrote:
Scorpion wrote:It's not a hack... its Storm2K policy to change the word "-removed-" to wonderful forecaster


LOL! No, obviously it doesn't change the word "-removed-" or you wouldn't have been able to type it. It changes a similar word -- the same word but with "-er" on the end.

Now relax, everybody...no big thing...no hacking involved.


Ditto what Duckie said. I'm in awe of your vast knowledge of our policy! :roll:
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#100 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:02 am

wishcaster

^^whoa that's cool, it does work!^^
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