Nasty Nor'Easter

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Check out the nasty Nor'Easter. Look like it may be trying to become subtropical:


Note all the lightning strikes near the core.


Water Vapor


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[MiamiensisWx]

This is pretty unusual, though typical of the lingering effects of a negative NAO that is and has slowly moderated. A very impressive system indeed, and very winter-like synoptics in place in some respects.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

I'm quite impressed personally by the amount of convection/lightning near the core. Have to see how long it can keep it up

[MiamiensisWx]

By the way, can we make this a discussion on the factors influencing this system and how they might play out as we go into July and August? It would be very useful.

Factors such as types and location of ridging, NAO, and Pacific SSTs and subsurface temperatures will prove to be very important.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

That is just a pure nor'easter. A big one at that if it was jan or feb that would be one heck of a snow storm.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Fine by me. Becoming subtropical is a bit of a long shot, but still could happen. Anyone have any thoughts on Cape Verde's question?

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

That is just a pure nor'easter. A big one at that if it was jan or feb that would be one heck of a snow storm.

Most Nor'Easters, even strong ones, tend to lack that much lightning near the core. That is what is unusal about this one.

[HouTXmetro]

Seems to be another swirl associated with this system just east of the Bahamas.. Any thoughts?

[terstorm1012]

Seems to be another swirl associated with this system just east of the Bahamas.. Any thoughts?

This is all part of the front that came off the coast. The low became cutoff in the upper atmosphere. there's a couple different low pressures at work here-- a surface low and an upper low.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/productview ... &version=0

It's your average run-of-the-mill nor'easter, even with the lightening. I've seen some that bomb out have lightening in their cores and even form features that look like eyes. It only seems weird because it's out of place for this time of year.

As for the synoptic set up for later on, I don't know if hurricanes can use these troughs as conduits to approach the coast, but I am thinking they'd move to the right of the frontal system putting them squarely in your backyard, hybridstorm, unfortunately (as prognosticated by IndependentWx's recent forecast about "East Coast Runners").

That is, assuming the set up remains the same or similar for the next two months.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

The blizzard of 1996 had a ring of thunderstorms around the center like an "eye" almost. I'm not saying this one will become subtropical, only that convection near the core is one of the things it would need if it did. The lightning is more a very strong Winter time Nor'Easter thing (when they are rapidly deepening usually) is what I meant by unusual, you very rarely see it in Summer/late Spring storms.

[CHRISTY]

Cool stuff.... 2 Animated loops!


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/SAT_ATL/atlanim8ir.html

[HouTXmetro]

So, no chance the cut off Low develops near Bahamas?

[CHRISTY]

So, no chance the cut off Low develops near Bahamas?

i say nope...

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

I agree.

[MiamiensisWx]

So, no chance the cut off Low develops near Bahamas?

This is just like the last system. Synoptics don't support it. I say no development.

[angelwing]

All i can say is its pouring here!!!

[george_r_1961]

Its a cold core low..and the setup is against it ever being any more than that. It is a nasty one though. Every once in a blue moon in the fall something like this does evolve into a warm core system though.

[Stephanie]

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