Spears considering next birth in Namibia

#41 Postby **alicia-w** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:43 pm

my daughter was born in the philippines while i was stationed at Clark AB. so she is considered by law to be a citizen by birth.

Website · #42 Postby **Brent** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:52 pm

alicia-w wrote:there are lots of folks who run for president who are foreign born but citizens at birth. john mccain is one; he was born in the panama canal zone.

Hmmmm... I always thought you had to be born in the U.S. to be President, but I guess not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

gtalum · #43 Postby **gtalum** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:52 pm

Interesting. I didn't realize that. I misinterpreted the "Natural Born Citizen" clause, I guess.

#44 Postby **alicia-w** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:53 pm

not true.

#45 Postby **alicia-w** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:53 pm

not true. mccain ran for president and he wasnt born in the US either. you're just not getting it.

gtalum · #46 Postby **gtalum** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:55 pm

Wait, though. WHen McCain was born there, the Panama Canal Zone was a territory of the US. I think the Constitutional provision still requires presidents to be born on US territory. Military bases do not count.

Janice · #47 Postby **Janice** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:55 pm

He was on a US military base... it may make a difference for those just living abroad.

Audrey2Katrina · #48 Postby **Audrey2Katrina** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:58 pm

alicia-w wrote:there are lots of folks who run for president who are foreign born but citizens at birth. john mccain is one; he was born in the panama canal zone.

This is beyond dispute, the same was true of Barry Goldwater who was born in Arizona when it was a territory. The only thing I was trying to point out is that it has never been given a constitutional ruling from the SC, which, with the current extreme animosity and polarization in the country, I think would become an issue if it ever came down to it today. I already expressed, I'd consider them qualified, and believe the SC would hold up that opinion--but it has yet to meet that specific test.

A2K

Janice · #49 Postby **Janice** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:00 pm

I don't really know, I just came here to do some painting... :eek:

gtalum · #50 Postby **gtalum** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:01 pm

Upon doing more research, apparently McCain's eligibility to hold the office of President is debateable. If he were to win a primary this would probably become a hot issue. There are conflicting court decisions regarding whether or not the child of American citizens born in another country is a "natural born citizen" as required by the US Constitution.

Interesting issue.

Audrey2Katrina · #51 Postby **Audrey2Katrina** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:11 pm

gtalum wrote:Upon doing more research, apparently McCain's eligibility to hold the office of President is debateable. If he were to win a primary this would probably become a hot issue. There are conflicting court decisions regarding whether or not the child of American citizens born in another country is a "natural born citizen" as required by the US Constitution.

Interesting issue.

Exactly my point. While I personally think the issue is moot as the SC will almost certainly find in his favor--the fact remains that it has never been tested in the courts... and I fear sooner or later will have to be.

A2K

Janice · #52 Postby **Janice** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:15 pm

Arnold may push it some day...

Website · #53 Postby **Brent** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:16 pm

Janice wrote:Arnold may push it some day...

There'd have to be a constitutional amendment in his case.

Audrey2Katrina · #54 Postby **Audrey2Katrina** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:19 pm

There'd have to be a constitutional amendment in his case.

Absolutely... as he's in no-way "Natural Born"... and for all his efforts I think the needed amendment would fail. This is a good criterion, IMO, as it completely removes the remotest possibility of split allegiances.

A2K

Janice · #55 Postby **Janice** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:23 pm

So, would Jolies baby fall in the same catagory as Arnold? Or is there a difference because Jolies baby's parents are US citizens. I am referring to running for President only.

Website · #56 Postby **Brent** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:27 pm

Janice wrote:So, would Jolies baby fall in the same catagory as Arnold? Or is there a difference because Jolies baby's parents are US citizens. I am referring to running for President only.

Jolie's Baby is defintely a much different scenario.

Janice · #57 Postby **Janice** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:28 pm

Thanks.....

#58 Postby **MGC** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:19 pm

Namibia, please keep MS Spears.........MGC

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