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I am sorry about your brother. But here is my standpoint - my nephew was in Baghdad for a year. He went through hell over there. He saw friends killed, carried the bodies of dead friends and was wounded himself. He went over there and he did his best. And I am tired of people acting like our troops are just a bunch of heartless thugs.
I'm going to tell you a story about our heartless thugs. Brandon and his company became friendly with a group of Iraqi children. They would give the kids their rations so they could eat, give them candy, they would play games with them. A mutual fondness grew between the two groups. Brandon called home one day crying, two of the children had been killed by an insurgent bomb.
Never will I just sit back and allow anyone to insinuate our troops act barbarically. I know we use our own tactics, but they are not anywhere near when was done to these two heroes. This is the one area that I will risk being banned.
I'm going to tell you a story about our heartless thugs. Brandon and his company became friendly with a group of Iraqi children. They would give the kids their rations so they could eat, give them candy, they would play games with them. A mutual fondness grew between the two groups. Brandon called home one day crying, two of the children had been killed by an insurgent bomb.
Never will I just sit back and allow anyone to insinuate our troops act barbarically. I know we use our own tactics, but they are not anywhere near when was done to these two heroes. This is the one area that I will risk being banned.
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I agree with both you and gtalum if you can understand that.
I can understand where he is coming from but, also understand where you are coming from. Sunny unfortunately, as long as there is war there will be violence, anger, terror and many other things that we don't want to think about. But, the thing that keeps me going is that here in the US we are safe and are able to live free day to day. Heck we could quit our jobs and move to the woods and live there if we wanted. We could treck cross country and start a new life, we can be singers, dancers, professional sports players, weathermen, politicians and much more because we have these men to protect our country and if need be I would step up also.
gtalum has a right to speak up and say something different. Our fore fathers believed that if you didn't say how you thought it was it was a crime. To leave any government we have unchallanged would be a crime against the constitution of the United States.
I can understand where he is coming from but, also understand where you are coming from. Sunny unfortunately, as long as there is war there will be violence, anger, terror and many other things that we don't want to think about. But, the thing that keeps me going is that here in the US we are safe and are able to live free day to day. Heck we could quit our jobs and move to the woods and live there if we wanted. We could treck cross country and start a new life, we can be singers, dancers, professional sports players, weathermen, politicians and much more because we have these men to protect our country and if need be I would step up also.
gtalum has a right to speak up and say something different. Our fore fathers believed that if you didn't say how you thought it was it was a crime. To leave any government we have unchallanged would be a crime against the constitution of the United States.
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artist wrote:since when have the terrorists been known to be "soldiers" as according thy the geneva convention? This is NOT soldier against soldier - it is mad men against soldiers.
Just because you disagree with their cause does not change the fact that they are soldiers fighting in a war. Rightly or wrongly we have invaded their nation. I happen to agree with the decision to go in (though that's another entire illegal-for-this-board topic) but the insurgents are soldiers by any reasonable definition.
Like it or not, our government condones torture. We have no idea to what extent it's bene applied, nor whould we necessarily. I happen to think it's a reasonable measure to take, despite the Geneva conventions.
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sunny wrote:CNN News Alert:
Insurgents placed explosives near the bodies of two U.S. soldiers, military officials say
Sorry, if it offends; but these people are LOWER than the slime trail of a SLUG..
And where is all the OUTRAGE from dumba$$ groups like Amnesty International, and the Geneva Convention folks???? They worry soooo much about a few dogs barking at prisoners, and them being photo'd in the nude with panties on their heads... This sort of stuff makes me want to PUKE! The only ones it seems these whiners worry about are the Iraqi TERRORISTS (they are NOT insurgents they are VILE GUTLESS TERRORISTS)... God Bless these men and their families in this time of extreme grief... at least now they have cloture and a modicum of peace. May the HUMAN TRASH that are guilty of this attrocity soon meet their judge... and rot in hell!
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gtalum wrote:Like it or not, our government condones torture.
This may be true - but I highly doubt our government would condone MUTILATION and DESECRATION. Hell, we have gone out of our way to NOT bomb their Mosques!
It breaks my heart to think who the families are going through right now.
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Like it or not, our government condones torture. We have no idea to what extent it's bene applied, nor whould we necessarily. I happen to think it's a reasonable measure to take, despite the Geneva conventions.
This is SOOOOOO patently FALSE... while NONE of us knows for certain what may or may not happen behind closed doors, the one thing that is CERTAIN is that our government does NOT "condone" it...what is pawned off as "torture" from our end is like comparing a mosquito bite to a beheading with a DULL knife... as to your final sentence I agree that with scum like this there should be no-holds-barred; they've been doing this "torture" thing since before we were even a nation... and I don't like playing the semantic game... but will NEVER consider someone who not only condones but actively engages in this kind of butchery a soldier... I'll call them what they are.. terrorists and BARBARIANS! Who need to be treated as such. May they ALL soon join Al-Zarquari....
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but I highly doubt our government would condone MUTILATION and DESECRATION
They don't, Sunny, and they do not condone torture either... this is just a talking point of the anti-war crowd.
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It's not really "kidnapping" to capture an enemy soldier in wartime. They were taken prisoner, not kidnapped.
Get your facts straight... they were KIDNAPPED... which is typical of the tactics of these kinds of SLIMEBALLS.
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Audrey2Katrina wrote:sunny wrote:CNN News Alert:
Insurgents placed explosives near the bodies of two U.S. soldiers, military officials say
Sorry, if it offends; but these people are LOWER than the slime trail of a SLUG..
And where is all the OUTRAGE from dumba$$ groups like Amnesty International, and the Geneva Convention folks???? They worry soooo much about a few dogs barking at prisoners, and them being photo'd in the nude with panties on their heads... This sort of stuff makes me want to PUKE! The only ones it seems these whiners worry about are the Iraqi TERRORISTS (they are NOT insurgents they are VILE GUTLESS TERRORISTS)... God Bless these men and their families in this time of extreme grief... at least now they have cloture and a modicum of peace. May the HUMAN TRASH that are guilty of this attrocity soon meet their judge... and rot in hell!
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Everybody agrees that the people who did this are murderous monsters. So what's your point? That because there are such murderous monsters among our enemies, that therefore there should be no standards for our own behavior?
Personally, I prefer to hold to my own moral standards rather than sinking to the level of my enemy. That's not accepting or condoning what the enemy does - quite the opposite - it's a rejection of what the enemy stands for.
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Audrey2Katrina wrote:It's not really "kidnapping" to capture an enemy soldier in wartime. They were taken prisoner, not kidnapped.
Get your facts straight... they were KIDNAPPED... which is typical of the tactics of these kinds of SLIMEBALLS.
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Not sure what the point of this argument is ... they were tortured and killed. Whether one calls them kidnap victims or prisoners that's the bottom line.
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gtalum wrote:So what makes it "kidnapping" versus "taking prionsers"?
A prisoner of war (POW, PoW, or PW) is a soldier, sailor, airman, marine, or any combatant who is imprisoned by an enemy power during or immediately after an armed conflict. By international law and several mutually agreed conventions, prisoners of war are required to be treated humanely and diplomatically.
Kidnapping has come to mean any illegal capture or detention of persons against their will, regardless of age, as for ransom; since 1768 the term abduction was also used in this sense.
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Okay, let's pretend you're incapable of looking words up:
Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
when you take "Prisoners" they are almost always CAUGHT in an act of war... captured after a battle/skirmish... not sought out and SEIZED in the cover of night and or (as the definition of KIDNAP clearly states--FRAUD)the very term means "detained"... and NOT a subject for vivisection! The two are VERY easily distinguishable to anyone capable of NOT playing devil's (and I mean that literally) advocate! The procedure is to detain them in a POW camp... not one of simply butchering them and then booby trapping their bodies...
I personally think we have an anit-war troll here, or someone with a political ax to grind... so I'm gonna git the hell out'a here before I really say something (while probably well deserved).. I'd be sorry for saying afterward... this is sickening! And the idea that Americans can rationalize away this sort of barbarism is worse than sickening!
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Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
Main Entry: kid·nap
Pronunciation: 'kid-"nap
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -napped or kid·naped /-"napt/; -nap·ping or -nap·ing
Etymology: probably back-formation from kidnapper, from kid + obsolete napper thief
: to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom
when you take "Prisoners" they are almost always CAUGHT in an act of war... captured after a battle/skirmish... not sought out and SEIZED in the cover of night and or (as the definition of KIDNAP clearly states--FRAUD)the very term means "detained"... and NOT a subject for vivisection! The two are VERY easily distinguishable to anyone capable of NOT playing devil's (and I mean that literally) advocate! The procedure is to detain them in a POW camp... not one of simply butchering them and then booby trapping their bodies...
I personally think we have an anit-war troll here, or someone with a political ax to grind... so I'm gonna git the hell out'a here before I really say something (while probably well deserved).. I'd be sorry for saying afterward... this is sickening! And the idea that Americans can rationalize away this sort of barbarism is worse than sickening!
Ciao!
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Audrey2Katrina wrote:I personally think we have an anit-war troll here, or someone with a political ax to grind... so I'm gonna git the hell out'a here before I really say something (while probably well deserved).. I'd be sorry for saying afterward... this is sickening! And the idea that Americans can rationalize away this sort of barbarism is worse than sickening!
I may be a troll (though I've been around here longer than you have.

I just don't understand how people desperately defending their homeland should be considered "terrorists". I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but we fought a pretty dirty guerrilla war in the American Revolution and we won because of it. When you're defending your home from an attacking nation, you will take desperate measures. The failure to account for this insurgency is IMHO the biggest failure of the operation and one we will be paying for for many years to come.
As you noted we are verging into the political, and I will not say any more on this topic. I apologize if I've offended.
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artist wrote:also - did you see us beheading those that attacked us here in the states in WWII??? No - we wouldn't.
In case you failed to notice, they weren't marching through our streets clearing house by house. Only two battles had the Japanese directly attacking American soil and only one of those resutled in troops coming ashore.
If I were around and they had come marching down Main Street in my town, I'd be pretty vicious to them.
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