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#1 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:13 pm

I had some thoughts and I figured I may as well start something up. Basically this is just me updating you all with my current feelings about things going on, and other weather issues. I appreciate any and all comments you may leave. I'll try and update often through the hurricane season...


Allow me to start by giving this talk, about Tropical Depressions.



First of all, in my personal opinion I find them un-necessary for classification. I understand that the NHC makes these classifications to keep the public alert, but I honestly can't see much difference from depressions and tropical waves.


Both of these systems are usually not well defined. In some cases such as TD #1 they can have multiple vortices, and are very unorganized. In most cases it seems the NHC leaves them classified as such just to insure people keep interest in them. I find this is be very inaccurate information.

I was thinking perhaps a different situation should apply, give me your thoughts on this. I was thinking perhaps waves in general should get mention. But they should be based on different levels, such as this example. All waves listed in the TWO should be given a probability for further development, such as it's done in other organizations. (Fair, Moderate, Poor,). Tropical Depressions should also go under this, because as it is records don't really remember depressions, you'll never read a paper saying 28 named storms plus 3 un-named systems.

The effects of depressions aren't really very powerful. A vigorous tropical wave making landfall brings nearly the same effects. What really gets the situation is the system stalling and causing the massive flooding. All I have to say here is given the evidence I see from depressions, I agree they deserve interest but I don't think they should go on record until they become bonafide tropical storms.



Anyway, on to the tropics...


Something I should note to begin, this genesis model has been persistently giving a moderate shading in the BOC area...

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I find this rather interesting. I have been watching this model, it showed that area of convection in the BOC and gave it a higher shading, in the light greens earlier this week. Previously I had believed this to be because they were foreseening the tropical wave that moved in through the Caribbean to survive making it into the BOC and interacting with this area. However, the wave axis completely died out and the moisture in the gulf raced into Texas and Louisiana. After this occured the shading completely went away, but recently the model has picked up on this area again. I think this same setup is likely to occur again, so that may be an area to watch as the week progresses.

Another supposed area of interest has been the area near Bermuda, which models have been picking up on. For this I think i'm gonna turn the other way. A pocket of 40 Knot shear with 20 to 30 Knots surrounding it will insure development will be difficult. Although shear is going to slightly be on the decrease in this area, I can't this area pulling itself together. However, given that it's still sparking with the environment around it, I have to at least keep one eye open to it.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... g8sht.html


Next, I suppose i'll throw discussion about the tropical wave around 15, 60. Convection has become VERY impressive in this area. Outflow has established. However, the system remains broad and disorganizated. Interesting to note the last tropical wave blew up in nearly this exact same area, and met it's end. I'm going to go on a limb here and say, if I can come back tomorrow at around this time and say this system still exists, it's gonna have a shot. Waves moving through this area always have to deal with the graveyard what's really gonna determine what happens next is if it can survive the harsh area of shear ahead of it. The wave allready survived the dry air behind it, which in itself is impressive enough. I'll leave this at if it survives the blanket of heavy shear throughout the Eastern Caribbean, move through the increasing shear in the Western Caribbean and somehow make it into the gulf, we may just have Beryl. Great odds right? :wink:


To end my first discussion i'd like to note, activity in the ITCZ area has been rather weak lately. I suppose i'll also note, the GOM has become VERY favorable lately. In fact, Alberto would have been sure to be a hurricane if it had this going for it. I would hope that this pattern of moderate moisture, above average SST's and low shear doesn't hold for the rest of the season.


And as much as i'd like to deny it, I think we're gonna see a bad season this year. Everyone in the gulf area should have understanding of the situation. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that's gonna hold back storms from becoming major hurricanes when August/September rolls around. Don't let your guards down, i'm not trying to cast doom and gloom but after 2005, how can we see worse?


I'll make another post discussing the activity out there if things become more favorable.


I'll leave it as this, poor areas with the Bermuda system and the wave entering the E. Caribbean have poor chances of development. But i'll check watch with the wave.

However, and you can mark my words with this. I DO expect another system to spin up before the start of July. Given the current conditions. You can mark my words with that :wink:
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#2 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:30 pm

There is a difference between a wave and a depression though. A wave is open and has no LLC, and a depression does has (or should have) a closed LLC. Therefore, a depression is much closer to becoming a storm than a wave.

I do agree with you, however, on another storm spinning up before July, and I think that wave entering the Caribbean has the best chance. My feeling is that that wave will end up in the Gulf in about 4-5 days, and it will then develop. Once this happens I think it will likely track further west than Alberto and could potentially make a landfall in as little as 6-9 days.
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#3 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:30 pm

i agree with 3 things: yes, waves and depressions are too similar
yes, waves and depressions should be given conditions
and yes, there is NOTHING in the way of a hurricane
however,
Everyone in the gulf area should have understanding of the situation
im gonna expand on this statement, Everyone everywhere should...

and i do agree that we may see another storm by independance day!
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#4 Postby x-y-no » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:35 pm

I'll disagree on the issue of classifying TDs. Waves are a dime a dozen, and quite a few of them will have localized winds well into the TD range. But the formation of a closed circulation at the surface is a very significant step on the road to developing a TS/hurricane. It's very worthwhile to maintain that distinction, IMHO.
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#5 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:54 pm

x-y-no wrote:I'll disagree on the issue of classifying TDs. Waves are a dime a dozen, and quite a few of them will have localized winds well into the TD range. But the formation of a closed circulation at the surface is a very significant step on the road to developing a TS/hurricane. It's very worthwhile to maintain that distinction, IMHO.


I agree, obviously waves and depressions aren't too different. But that depends on the depression, some are better defined then others, two depressions of the same intensity can be quite different in terms of organization.

That's why I gave the premise of getting waves and depressions an intensity scale. Perhaps another idea could be lowering the intensity scale for Tropical Storms slightly, given they MUST have a defined center. But that's just my thoughts on that.
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#6 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:56 pm

Depressions are a closed LLC and are a tropical cyclone. I very well disagree...With should be numbered.
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#7 Postby wxmann_91 » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:13 pm

Depressions should be numbered, as has been stated here already. It's not really the winds, I mean, a tropical wave can have localized thunderstorm winds of over 50 mph, but just the fact that an LLC exists. That is a major step.
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#8 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:20 pm

wxmann_91 wrote:Depressions should be numbered, as has been stated here already. It's not really the winds, I mean, a tropical wave can have localized thunderstorm winds of over 50 mph, but just the fact that an LLC exists. That is a major step.



Maybe but I think it's been proven many times over we've had many depressions where even the existence of an LLC has been questionable, but it still remained a depression.

I just don't think we should really take notice until it becomes a storm, but I respect everyone's opinions.
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#9 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:28 pm

Here's my next update...

From what I can see this morning, the ITCZ seems to be a little active this morning with two tropical waves spinning. Wind shear values have been varying from just right to moderately unfavorable in this area for a while. A pocket of dry air I assume associated with the Azores high seems to be show exactly where the ITCZ is gonna end. Obviously for the short term I would have to say development here is probably in the minimum. Curiously enough, it appears wind shear is more dominant in the W. Caribbean and TUTT. It also appears the two waves from the ITCZ have favorable wind shear conditions for the short term. However like I said, I don't think they have much shot.

Over to 91L, I have to say, I am rather sad this one didn't pull together but like I said in my previous discussion the environment was just not gonna let it happen. Convection however seems to be on the increase slightly however and conditions are becoming a little bit better, development is still possible just unlikely. I'll have to leave it at 25%.

(Also note, convection to 91's SE has been on the increase this morning. Like many members here have been noting this area is looking interesting and dry air and wind shear are still low in that area. So i'd keep an eye on that, it may have a chance if it becomes better organized.

Now to end the discussion we have 92L. A mighty interesting scenario for this one. It seems to be imbedded in an area of very low 5 knot shear with higher shear values all around it. This system seems very much like the systems that formed in this area last year, with around the same SST's. I think much like other members have been saying this is looking pretty nice. I think this could very well sit and spin and make the transformation into a Tropical Storm (not subtropical) given the convection it has allready been firing, I think it has maybe a 60% chance at tropical transition or subtropical formation.


So I don't mean to be terribly technical but I must say i'm still excited with the prospect of seeing 3 named systems in June. :wink:
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#10 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:32 pm

Weatherfreak000 wrote:Here's my next update...

From what I can see this morning, the ITCZ seems to be a little active this morning with two tropical waves spinning. Wind shear values have been varying from just right to moderately unfavorable in this area for a while. A pocket of dry air I assume associated with the Azores high seems to be show exactly where the ITCZ is gonna end. Obviously for the short term I would have to say development here is probably in the minimum. Curiously enough, it appears wind shear is more dominant in the W. Caribbean and TUTT. It also appears the two waves from the ITCZ have favorable wind shear conditions for the short term. However like I said, I don't think they have much shot.

Over to 91L, I have to say, I am rather sad this one didn't pull together but like I said in my previous discussion the environment was just not gonna let it happen. Convection however seems to be on the increase slightly however and conditions are becoming a little bit better, development is still possible just unlikely. I'll have to leave it at 25%.

(Also note, convection to 91's SE has been on the increase this morning. Like many members here have been noting this area is looking interesting and dry air and wind shear are still low in that area. So i'd keep an eye on that, it may have a chance if it becomes better organized.

Now to end the discussion we have 92L. A mighty interesting scenario for this one. It seems to be imbedded in an area of very low 5 knot shear with higher shear values all around it. This system seems very much like the systems that formed in this area last year, with around the same SST's. I think much like other members have been saying this is looking pretty nice. I think this could very well sit and spin and make the transformation into a Tropical Storm (not subtropical) given the convection it has allready been firing, I think it has maybe a 60% chance at tropical transition or subtropical formation.


So I don't mean to be terribly technical but I must say i'm still excited with the prospect of seeing 3 named systems in June. :wink:


possibly even 4 if JB's late June Gulf scenario plays out. The only problem is now he thinks it could be late June/early July, but either way, if he is right we will be WAY ahead of last year!
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#11 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:38 pm

I think the system at 34 north/50 west is a a subtropical depression. With a classic banding and convection forming near the center...Quickscat show a closed LLC at the surface. I would expect it to move to the west then fellow up northwestward at 36 to 48 hours.

As for the system off Florida theres a slight chance, but not very good that the LLC off Florida, could be found to be closed with 30 knot winds and upgraded.

Everything else not very faverable.
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#12 Postby tornadotony » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:28 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:I think the system at 34 north/50 west is a a subtropical depression. With a classic banding and convection forming near the center...Quickscat show a closed LLC at the surface. I would expect it to move to the west then fellow up northwestward at 36 to 48 hours.

As for the system off Florida theres a slight chance, but not very good that the LLC off Florida, could be found to be closed with 30 knot winds and upgraded.

Everything else not very faverable.

You may be the stupidest person I've ever met.
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#13 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:34 am

tornadotony wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:I think the system at 34 north/50 west is a a subtropical depression. With a classic banding and convection forming near the center...Quickscat show a closed LLC at the surface. I would expect it to move to the west then fellow up northwestward at 36 to 48 hours.

As for the system off Florida theres a slight chance, but not very good that the LLC off Florida, could be found to be closed with 30 knot winds and upgraded.

Everything else not very faverable.

You may be the stupidest person I've ever met.


Are comments like that allowed on the board now?
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#14 Postby bzukajo » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:33 pm

"You may be the stupidest person I've ever met."


How about a little decorum :roll:
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#15 Postby Swimdude » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:59 pm

Are comments like that allowed on the board now?


No, they're not.

And thank you to weatherfreak for some personal insight into the current situation. In the regard of Invests v. Depressions - I do believe they're necessary. There are dozens and dozens of Invests each and every season, but only those worth monitoring, and take on tropical characteristics, are regarded as depressions.
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#16 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:02 pm

That was not a very nice comment. For a time there it did have a 1.5st and some convection. So no I'm not any where near stupid unlike people that like to attack others. But as history shows maybe a little quick on calling it so.
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#17 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:45 am

Look guys, i'm gonna skip the usual forecast and go to my general post.


This year is NOT invest happy. It's how it's always been.



Look at the issues people.



So far we've had a WELL defined invest move through the C. Caribbean and move through the TUTT and still needs to be watched.


We've seen Alberto fight hard shear.


We've been an almost Subtropical Depression form, in cold waters very early.



What's the problem? We've seen this before, are you guys forgetting how many invests it to after Arlene to get Bret? These things happen, especially early on.



I think we all need to chill and look at this. Invests are popping up all of the place in unimaginable spots for June. That's rather interesting, the SST issue that you guys press isn't important. And the TUTT isn't really important.

We allready know we've only had three significant storms move through the TUTT area. Only three. In 2005.


So let's not freak out when we see invests, but let's also not get mad because they aren't developing. For pete's sake, its happened before.
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#18 Postby Scorpion » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:20 am

I agree. Outstanding post.
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#19 Postby windycity » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:08 am

I couldnt agree more. Excellent post!! :wink:
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#20 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:53 am

Thanks for your comments everyone.
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