North Korea Nuclear Standoff

[cycloneye]

NBC: U.S. refutes claims on targeting
But NBC News' Jim Miklaszewski reported late Thursday that U.S. officials dispute the Japan newspaper's claims that the missile launched July 4 was aimed at the waters off Hawaii.

U.S. intelligence reports told NBC News that the missile started tumbling out of control and self-destructed so soon after it was launched that U.S. spy satellites and radar could not plot the missile's intended launch angle and flight path.


The U.S disputes the report from a Japanese newspaper about this news of the long range missile aimed to waters close to Hawaii.

[TexasStooge]

I hate events like this one.

[HurricaneHunter914]

This is the world as we know it: Cruel, Greedy, Vengeful, and Angry.

[stormtruth]

U.S. intelligence reports told NBC News that the missile started tumbling out of control and self-destructed so soon after it was launched that U.S. spy satellites and radar could not plot the missile's intended launch angle and flight path.
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LOL. That sounds like such a threat

Apparently, a much bigger threat comes from transportation of our own nuclear weapons.

http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/mg19125594.300

[Audrey2Katrina]

It isn't misleading at all. There were so many warnings that this is exactly what was going to happen if we went into Iraq. Nothing the government promised ever came true. And so we are stuck with the mess in Iraq. And also Afghanistan which is now turning back into a serious War because of the Iraq decision and distraction from Afghanistan. And now many of you seem eager to start more Wars? We are already broke as it is.

It's obvious that you want to take this into an area that will get it locked...I still maintain that your statement is grossly misleading, and all of your 20-20 hindsight won't change a thing--not to mention it does NOT address my explanation as to why it became a "struggle" in the first place... let's just leave it at that, or else I have not doubt the keeper of the keys will see that it ends anyway.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Apparently, a much bigger threat comes from transportation of our own nuclear weapons.

Ummm why are we bringing in this story from a UK internet tabloid? It has nothing to do with the thread about North Korea.... but it does provide a nice opportunity for one to inject a less than subliminal message with ********* desired overtones.

Kindly stick to the topic of the Nuclear threat from NORTH KOREA, and leave all the soapbox anti-nuke politicking out of it.

A2K

[mf_dolphin]

The risk is set at 2.4 in a BILLION. I'm shaking in my boots....

[cycloneye]

Long Range Missile



North Korea is preparing to launch another long range missile.Read about it at link above.

[Aquawind]

While I don't feel threatened personaly because of the distance to my house and yet concern for those people well within the range. They have good reason for concern because this guy is a freak. It would not surprise me if he ordered the nukes to be launched when he was on his own deathbed. No matter what the situation was.

Typically the engineers like to wait awhile between launches and analyze the data from each launch and thus improve the next one. If they are trying to develop something it seems like they foolishly wasted a few launches there to blanket the long range test and politics of course..

[gtalum]

We would annihalate their troops from the sky. Why are so many of my fellow Americans so defeatist?

You say defeatist, I say realist. China has the same air capabilities we have. If you think China is really far behind us militarily, you're deluding yourself. What do you think they've been buying with th emoney we send over there every day?

[SouthFloridawx]

We would annihalate their troops from the sky. Why are so many of my fellow Americans so defeatist?

You say defeatist, I say realist. China has the same air capabilities we have. If you think China is really far behind us militarily, you're deluding yourself. What do you think they've been buying with th emoney we send over there every day?

It is not possible to defeat the county via only the air. It is a country and has a decent size land mass with many people living there. This is like saying it would be easy to defeat Iraq from the air... as we have seen they have mounted guerilla warfare/terrorist bombings. Thus an air campaign would likely not solve the issue. We can not just start bombing as there are innocent civilians on the ground and our issue isn't with them it is with this Communist Regime. If an attack were to occure there would likely have to be attacks from the ground supported by the air and sea. Also likely an invasion solely from the US would not be the answer as we would need international support/troops from neighboring countries and diplomacy is the best course for now.

This is for the time being as long as this maniac doesn't launch some sort of attack on S. Kor. or fire missles into neighboring countries.

[Audrey2Katrina]

China has the same air capabilities we have.

Absolutely untrue. The TWO largest "air forces" in the world, beyond any doubt, are the United States Air Force, and the United States Navy... nobody else even close--much less the developing nation of China. Their missile capabilities, while certainly improving, are nowhere near those of United States. The only one seemingly "deluded" is the one who would claim that China would seriously consider a military conflict with the United States--unless actually attacked first, I am convinced they would avoid it at all costs.

That said; I am by no means suggesting any military conflict with China (if you'd read my earlier post) as I'd already stated that I feel China has already slidden down its own "slippery slope" toward a capitalistic society, and that communism is on its way out--it's just a matter of time. I feel that given enough time for more of the old hard-liners to die-off, and the younger and more open people to take over, this populace giant can become a good friend. JMO, but I stand behind it.

A2K

[kenl01]

We need to bomb the heck out of North Korea by airstrike and take out their missile silos. And if they EVER aim another missile at Hawaii or threaten the USA, then it's time to launch our ICBM's immediately at North Korea. They have nothing to lose - they don't care. They have no economy. They have NOTHING in common with us. They would not hesitate to launch their missiles at us.
It's only going to get worse with these lunatics over there. The next terrorist attack could make 9/11 look like a drop in a bucket unless we do something right here and now. But unfortunately, we have oxy morons as politicians just waiting for the inevitable to happen.

Ken

[zoeyann]

Derek, I find it funny that you used the word defeatist. Believe me I know that there are plenty of people in this country and world who are defeatist by nature, but don't forget history is filled with great societies that fell because they thought they were invincible and underestimated those that would see them defeated.

[BreinLa]

I suggest everyone posting in this thread take a deep breath before posting again.

[jusforsean]

U.S. intelligence reports told NBC News that the missile started tumbling out of control and self-destructed so soon after it was launched that U.S. spy satellites and radar could not plot the missile's intended launch angle and flight path.
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LOL. That sounds like such a threat

Apparently, a much bigger threat comes from transportation of our own nuclear weapons.

http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/mg19125594.300

So why wouldnt we just pick a spot and build them from places where they can be detinated? The thought of a nuclear war head heading down 595 just doesnt sit right with me, you would imagine that they would like close the strrets off at least to avoid a traffic accident, just a thought

[george_r_1961]

We need to bomb the heck out of North Korea by airstrike and take out their missile silos. And if they EVER aim another missile at Hawaii or threaten the USA, then it's time to launch our ICBM's immediately at North Korea. They have nothing to lose - they don't care. They have no economy. They have NOTHING in common with us. They would not hesitate to launch their missiles at us.
It's only going to get worse with these lunatics over there. The next terrorist attack could make 9/11 look like a drop in a bucket unless we do something right here and now. But unfortunately, we have oxy morons as politicians just waiting for the inevitable to happen.

Ken

Are we ready to start World War 3 yet? Dont get my wrong: I do not condone what NK is doing. But I see no evidence that NK has the intention of doing anything more than getting under our skin, and they are doing a fantastic job of that. Please lets try to lose the "attack North Korea" mentality unless you also want to fight China too. Granted we would probably win but at the expense of thousands of American lives..all because some little punk country firing missiles into the water.

[rainstorm]

lets agree with derek here. i see no evidence china wants to die over north korea

[Brent]

Some eye-opening pictures from inside North Korea, I find these fascinating.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... hp?t=82755

[rainstorm]

some historical perspective. you can not negotiate with north korea. we can act now, or wait till 100 million are dead and wish we had acted

Armageddon looms large

Posted: July 7, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The "War to End All Wars" concluded with the 1919 signing of the Treaty of Versailles. One of its provisions was the establishment of an international "League of Nations" that was created to provide international oversight to ensure the First World War really would be the war to end all wars.

The League was set up by the victorious Allied powers under the terms of a document known as "The Covenant." It outlined the League's mission: "To promote international cooperation and to achieve international peace and security."

The League was the brainchild of U.S. President Woodrow Wilson, who won the 1919 Nobel Peace Prize for his work in setting it up. But the U.S. was never a member. The Senate refused to ratify membership, correctly concluding that membership would subordinate U.S. sovereignty to the League.


In 1931, Imperial Japan invaded Manchuria, set up a puppet republic called Manchukuo, and, when the League of Nations objected, Tokyo resigned from the League. The League of Nations blustered and fumed and sent many letters of protest, which Japan ignored until the League tired of sending them.

Four years later, Benito Mussolini, noting the League's ineffective response to Japanese aggression, invaded Ethiopia. The League condemned Italy, sent many letters of protest and threatened sanctions. In 1936, Mussolini's forces occupied Addis Ababa and Ethiopia became part of Italy.

Hitler watched this response carefully and took notes. This encouraged Hitler to further test the League's resolve in 1938. He threatened to invade Czechoslovakia unless Britain and France agreed to German occupation of the Sudetenland. Had the West and the League of Nations truly stood strong against this outrageous demand, Hitler probably would not have gone on to start World War II.

Emboldened by his success at facing down the entire free world, Hitler demanded that he be given Czechoslovakia in exchange for a promise to British Foreign Minister Chamberlain that there would be not further demands and there would be peace. Chamberlain, representing the "toothless" League of Nations, gave Hitler Czechoslovakia without even consulting the Czechs.

This capitulation by the League virtually assured Hitler's next move. When Hitler's storm troopers marched across the Rhine to claim the Ruhr as German territory, the League did not even bother to protest. This set the stage for the second "war to end all wars" between the Allied Forces and the Axis Powers of Japan, Italy and Germany. Hitler's audacity and boldness had so succeeded that it quieted every voice of reason left in Germany.

Sept. 1, 1939, Nazi Germany invaded Poland and World War II had begun. The enormous tragedy of it all is that it could probably have been prevented if the League of Nations had boldly stood against Hitler and backed him down at the beginning.

World War II concluded with the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations, whose purpose was to prevent, through international cooperation, another war to end all wars.

The historical parallels between the 1930s and the 1990s are unmistakable. Throughout the 1990s, what President George W. Bush aptly dubbed the "Axis of Evil" took turns testing U.N. resolve and noting the reaction of the global community.

First, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and survived the U.N.-led war to push his troops back across the Iraqi border. His Axis counterparts watched as he defied the U.N.'s repeated resolutions with impunity. (When Saddam's Iraq finally fell 12 years later, it was at the hands of the United States-led coalition over the vociferous objections of the United Nations Saddam had so blatantly defied.)

After observing the U.N.'s response to Iraqi aggression, Kim Jong-Il pushed the envelope still further with the first North Korean nuclear standoff in 1994. That resulted in the international community bribing Pyongyang not to develop nuclear weapons. President Clinton gave him all sorts of "goodies" to get him to back off his nuke program.

Like any good extortionist, Kim Jong-Il took the bribe but ignored the terms. He got away with it for eight years while the U.N. blustered and threatened him with letters of diplomatic protest. He learned that he could get all kinds of rewards for rattling missiles and then getting the U.N. nations to bribe him to stop.

Meanwhile, an even more dangerous aggressor was taking note. Iran's mad mullahs carefully observed the U.N.'s response. Iran, the third member of the Axis of Evil, began testing the U.N. in 1998 when its own nuclear program was uncovered. It has managed to hold the international community at bay by creating the diplomatic equivalent to a Mexican standoff, thanks to its ideological links with Islamofacism and the threat of escalating the war. Now, Iran is only a few months, if that, from nuclear capability.

Now we have the North Korean missile launch tests, coming in open defiance of the United Nations. And to add insult and to intensify the provocation, the launch was timed to coincide with both our Fourth of July and the launch of the space shuttle Discovery.

The North Korean launch was deemed a failure by the U.S. because it exploded some 40 seconds after launch at an undetermined altitude.

But it is worth nothing that a 1998 Iranian missile test – based on the same North Korean missile design – also failed, detonating some 40 seconds after launch after reaching an altitude of 180 miles. It is also worth noting that a nuclear weapon detonated 180 miles above the United States would generate an EMP pulse that experts say would instantly plunge half the country into the technological 1890s.

As I write this column, North Korea is preparing several more missiles for "test" launch.

The United Nations is in a dither. Diplomatic letters of protest are flying like confetti. Military and intelligence analysts warn darkly of all the important lessons learned by Pyongyang, even though the test itself was considered a failure.

Maybe it wasn't Pyongyang that the July 4th missile tests were intended to educate. If the Axis of Evil analogy holds true to its historical template, the lessons were really intended for the mad mullahs in Tehran.

It's now their turn to move.

History teaches us that only the aggressors learn from history. The appeasers never learn from it. But the stakes today are far more dangerous than ever before. Now Armageddon looms large before us





"History teaches us that only the aggressors learn from history. The appeasers never learn from it. But the stakes today are far more dangerous than ever before. Now Armageddon looms large before us"

i could not agree more