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#481 Postby NBCintern » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:09 pm

This is no longer about Hezbollah. When you start killing civilians instead of Hezbollah militants, then one can conclude that it is a far wider strategic plan. The collateral damage is far to much.. Israel is now killing innocent people.
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#482 Postby Brent » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:10 pm

AP: Witnesses report Israeli airstrike on Lebanon's second largest city, Tripoli.
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#483 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:27 pm

yeah, its to punish the terrorist sponsoring country of Lebanon

Of course in war civilians are killed, no big deal.

And if Israel does not conduct a massive carpet bombing raid soon, of course Tel Aviv is going to be pounded
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#484 Postby stormtruth » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:31 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Of course in war civilians are killed, no big deal.


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#485 Postby feederband » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:33 pm

NBCintern wrote:This is no longer about Hezbollah. When you start killing civilians instead of Hezbollah militants, then one can conclude that it is a far wider strategic plan. The collateral damage is far to much.. Israel is now killing innocent people.


Hmmmm...You mean Hezbollah are no longer fireing rockets into Isarel???

Just think if Hezbollah would give up the 2 soldiers and quick firing rockets into Israel this would end...Its in their hands...
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#486 Postby kevin » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:33 pm

I think the leaders of the Israeli Defense Force know more about how to protect Israelis than you or I do Derek. And you know more about meteorology than they do. Not that everyone doesn't have a right to their own opinion but...

It should be evident to any layman however that carpet bombing would serve absolutely no strategic purpose.
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#487 Postby feederband » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:36 pm

kevin wrote:I think the leaders of the Israeli Defense Force know more about how to protect Israelis than you or I do Derek. And you know more about meteorology.

It should be evident to any layman however that carpet bombing would serve absolutely no strategic purpose.


No but thats what Hezbollah is doing in a sense...Just firing missles and not caring at all where they land...
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#488 Postby kevin » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:38 pm

Hezbollah is an illegal militia. Israel is a state bound by International Conventions and norms.
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#489 Postby NBCintern » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:43 pm

kevin wrote:Hezbollah is an illegal militia. Israel is a state bound by International Conventions and norms.



Really, so killing civs instead of the illegal militia is the norm? Wow, new one to me. If your gonna start a war then kill the target and not the civs. There is absolutely no justification for killing so many civs (and no hez's) and fail to target the intended subject.
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#490 Postby NBCintern » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:45 pm

feederband wrote:
NBCintern wrote:This is no longer about Hezbollah. When you start killing civilians instead of Hezbollah militants, then one can conclude that it is a far wider strategic plan. The collateral damage is far to much.. Israel is now killing innocent people.


Hmmmm...You mean Hezbollah are no longer fireing rockets into Isarel???

Just think if Hezbollah would give up the 2 soldiers and quick firing rockets into Israel this would end...Its in their hands...


HAHAH, what do you expect them to do lay down and take it. The cease fire is in the Israeli's hands they are the ones bombing massively. The trade between prisoners in the past has always given way to swaps. If your gonna smash the hez's, then do it right with the minimal collateral damage.
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#491 Postby southerngale » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:48 pm

NBCintern wrote:
feederband wrote:
NBCintern wrote:This is no longer about Hezbollah. When you start killing civilians instead of Hezbollah militants, then one can conclude that it is a far wider strategic plan. The collateral damage is far to much.. Israel is now killing innocent people.


Hmmmm...You mean Hezbollah are no longer fireing rockets into Isarel???

Just think if Hezbollah would give up the 2 soldiers and quick firing rockets into Israel this would end...Its in their hands...


HAHAH, what do you expect them to do lay down and take it. The cease fire is in the Israeli's hands they are the ones bombing massively. The trade between prisoners in the past has always given way to swaps. If your gonna smash the hez's, then do it right with the minimal collateral damage.


Are you trying to say this is ISRAEL'S fault? Hezbollah started this crap, not Israel.
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#492 Postby kevin » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:50 pm

NBCintern wrote:
kevin wrote:Hezbollah is an illegal militia. Israel is a state bound by International Conventions and norms.



Really, so killing civs instead of the illegal militia is the norm? Wow, new one to me. If your gonna start a war then kill the target and not the civs. There is absolutely no justification for killing so many civs (and no hez's) and fail to target the intended subject.


I was referring to why Israel could not carpetbomb Lebanon. All that Israel has to do according to ius in bello is not directly target civilians. They aren't. Hezbollah integrates themselves into the civilian population.

Derek is right to some extent, but wrong in the lengths to which he takes the brutality of war. Israel may not be doing the most humanitarian of actions, but the stakes for them are quite high and a response was justified.
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#493 Postby NBCintern » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:54 pm

southerngale wrote:
NBCintern wrote:
feederband wrote:
NBCintern wrote:This is no longer about Hezbollah. When you start killing civilians instead of Hezbollah militants, then one can conclude that it is a far wider strategic plan. The collateral damage is far to much.. Israel is now killing innocent people.


Hmmmm...You mean Hezbollah are no longer fireing rockets into Isarel???

Just think if Hezbollah would give up the 2 soldiers and quick firing rockets into Israel this would end...Its in their hands...


HAHAH, what do you expect them to do lay down and take it. The cease fire is in the Israeli's hands they are the ones bombing massively. The trade between prisoners in the past has always given way to swaps. If your gonna smash the hez's, then do it right with the minimal collateral damage.


Are you trying to say this is ISRAEL'S fault? Hezbollah started this crap, not Israel.


No.I understand they may have started it, but that they are going outside the normal bounds of what they use to do in the past. Smash the militia (Hezbollah), but don't just start bombing anywhere and everywhere and not give a care about who gets killed. I have yet to hear any Hezbollah militia or its weapns being killed or destroyed?
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#494 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:54 pm

This is no longer about Hezbollah. When you start killing civilians instead of Hezbollah militants, then one can conclude that it is a far wider strategic plan. The collateral damage is far to much.. Israel is now killing innocent people.


And Hezbollah ISN'T?

The hands of Hezbollah is so filthy with the blood of innocent men women and children that one could literally SWIM in the pools they've left in their despicable wake. They kill innocent people, and then where do they run to hide? Why using their OWN innocent civilians as shields (which is TRULY an indication of how cowardly and despicable they are) so that a retaliatory strike can be labelled as just another example of Israeli aggression. With all due respect; you need a SERIOUS dose of "fair and balanced".

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#495 Postby NBCintern » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:56 pm

kevin wrote:
NBCintern wrote:
kevin wrote:Hezbollah is an illegal militia. Israel is a state bound by International Conventions and norms.



Really, so killing civs instead of the illegal militia is the norm? Wow, new one to me. If your gonna start a war then kill the target and not the civs. There is absolutely no justification for killing so many civs (and no hez's) and fail to target the intended subject.


I was referring to why Israel could not carpetbomb Lebanon. All that Israel has to do according to ius in bello is not directly target civilians. They aren't. Hezbollah integrates themselves into the civilian population.

Derek is right to some extent, but wrong in the lengths to which he takes the brutality of war. Israel may not be doing the most humanitarian of actions, but the stakes for them are quite high and a response was justified.


What 3 kidnapped soldiers versus WWIII. Because that is what it will end up being WWIII over 3 soldiers. The response maybe justified, but it has gone too far as far as what they are bombing.
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#496 Postby Regit » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:58 pm

NBCintern wrote:
kevin wrote:
NBCintern wrote:
kevin wrote:Hezbollah is an illegal militia. Israel is a state bound by International Conventions and norms.



Really, so killing civs instead of the illegal militia is the norm? Wow, new one to me. If your gonna start a war then kill the target and not the civs. There is absolutely no justification for killing so many civs (and no hez's) and fail to target the intended subject.


I was referring to why Israel could not carpetbomb Lebanon. All that Israel has to do according to ius in bello is not directly target civilians. They aren't. Hezbollah integrates themselves into the civilian population.

Derek is right to some extent, but wrong in the lengths to which he takes the brutality of war. Israel may not be doing the most humanitarian of actions, but the stakes for them are quite high and a response was justified.


What 3 kidnapped soldiers versus WWIII. Because that is what it will end up being WWIII over 3 soldiers. The response maybe justified, but it has gone too far as far as what they are bombing.



This isn't going to be World War III. That's just hype.
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#497 Postby NBCintern » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:59 pm

Regit wrote:
NBCintern wrote:
kevin wrote:
NBCintern wrote:
kevin wrote:Hezbollah is an illegal militia. Israel is a state bound by International Conventions and norms.



Really, so killing civs instead of the illegal militia is the norm? Wow, new one to me. If your gonna start a war then kill the target and not the civs. There is absolutely no justification for killing so many civs (and no hez's) and fail to target the intended subject.


I was referring to why Israel could not carpetbomb Lebanon. All that Israel has to do according to ius in bello is not directly target civilians. They aren't. Hezbollah integrates themselves into the civilian population.

Derek is right to some extent, but wrong in the lengths to which he takes the brutality of war. Israel may not be doing the most humanitarian of actions, but the stakes for them are quite high and a response was justified.


What 3 kidnapped soldiers versus WWIII. Because that is what it will end up being WWIII over 3 soldiers. The response maybe justified, but it has gone too far as far as what they are bombing.



This isn't going to be World War III. That's just hype.


I'm sorry, I was wrong WWIII started in 1979..
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#498 Postby southerngale » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:00 pm

Oh, good heavens...
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#499 Postby Brent » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:01 pm

MSNBC just had a report that 3 Lebanese soldiers were killed and 7 missing after an Israeli airstrike.

Looks like this is getting uglier... Israel also struck the Palestinian Foreign Ministry in Gaza.
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#500 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:01 pm

Just think if Hezbollah would give up the 2 soldiers and quick firing rockets into Israel this would end...Its in their hands...


Bottom line... THAT's the ticket... but Hezbollah which ONLY wants Israel to cease to exist... isn't about to give in... they'd as soon play this out... manipulate the media with all the scenes of bloody collateral damage and hope for a naive world opinion to shift against the truly aggrieved party--Israel.

Thank GOD we didn't have such a pansy media running around in Dunkirk and Hamburg during WWII, or we might well have had to sign an armistice that would have accomplished nothing during that war instead of doing what HAD to be done--ugly as it was... in order to save millions more lives.

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