Israel thread #2

[NBCintern]

Both sides have done the same

This is FLAGRANTLY wrong! Israel has not deliberately sought out, and TARGETTED civilian populations... Hezbollah HAS... in fact Hezbollah has said "ALL IS FAIR GAME..." While Israel has NOT... this is clearly not the "same thing."

A2K

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... nfront-hed

LATEST DEATH TOLLS
Israel: 29 dead, including 15 civilians, Israeli military says.

Lebanon: 300 dead, Lebanese authorities say, including 11 soldiers; no further breakdown between civilians and military personnel.

[NBCintern]

in one instace you say "Hezbollah are striking specific targets" in the next you say "Hez just aims in the general direction where they want to go"...that is about as un specific as you can get.

you also point out "while the Isrealis are targeting whom ever is in the way" in the first thread then you totally CONTRADICT yourself with this comment "Israeli has weapons that have pin point accuracy".

SO WHICH IS IT???

fwbbreeze

Okay, let me put it in elementary terms. If I say I am going to bomb Los Angeles, but strike East L.A., I will then say I hit L.A. even though I struck East L.A.. If the Hez hits withint a 10 mile radius, to me they hit their intended target.

[fwbbreeze]

in one instace you say "Hezbollah are striking specific targets" in the next you say "Hez just aims in the general direction where they want to go"...that is about as un specific as you can get.

you also point out "while the Isrealis are targeting whom ever is in the way" in the first thread then you totally CONTRADICT yourself with this comment "Israeli has weapons that have pin point accuracy".

SO WHICH IS IT???

fwbbreeze

Okay, let me put it in elementary terms. If I say I am going to bomb Los Angeles, but strike East L.A., I will then say I hit L.A. even though I struck East L.A.. If the Hez hits withint a 10 mile radius, to me they hit their intended target.

No need to get personal, just pointing out your blatent CONTRADICTIONS...and sorry your justification is weak.

fwbbreeze

[Pburgh]

LOL, Kelly I think that one of the few statements of his that I figured out!!! He is trying to say that even though the Hez weapons are not as sophisticated as the Israeli weapons, the Hez are striking specific targets while the Israeli (with pinpoint accuracy) are striking more civilians.

ABC, as others have said, the Hez hide among the civilians!!!

[sunny]

Okay, let me put it in elementary terms. If I say I am going to bomb Los Angeles, but strike East L.A., I will then say I hit L.A. even though I struck East L.A.. If the Hez hits withint a 10 mile radius, to me they hit their intended target.

But you said that Hezbollah doesn't have the TECHNOLOGY to pin point a specific target!

[Audrey2Katrina]

LATEST DEATH TOLLS
Israel: 29 dead, including 15 civilians, Israeli military says.

Lebanon: 300 dead, Lebanese authorities say, including 11 soldiers; no further breakdown between civilians and military personnel

What is your point here beyond PURE propaganda??? I already refuted the lame "look at the ratio" argument.

Pacific Theater deaths:
Japanese: 1,490,000
United States: 92,000

Should we have used more "restraint"???

Stick to logic please as this may make nice ink, but is wholy irrelevant with regard to who's targetting whom.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

But you said that Hezbollah doesn't have the TECHNOLOGY to pin point a specific target!

LOL, Sunny, we've already had it put in "elementary" terms; need we go to Pre-K?

A2K

[stormtruth]

Does anyone think Hezbollah will be destroyed in this conflict? Or will they remain as they are but just with a few less missiles? Or possibly new terrorists will emerge from the conflict like Hezbollah did in the 1980s and Al Qaeda after we armed them in Afghanistan to fight communism?

It is hard to imagine anything positive coming from this but I'm pretty cynical.

[sunny]

Does anyone think Hezbollah will be destroyed in this conflict? Or will they remain as they are but just with a few less missiles? Or possibly new terrorists will emerge from the conflict like Hezbollah did in the 1980s and Al Qaeda after we armed them in Afghanistan to fight communism?

It is hard to imagine anything positive coming from this but I'm pretty cynical.

I'd like to THINK Hezbollah would be destroyed. But if the report that the US has given Israel one more week to do this is true, then I think they may be weakened, but not destroyed.

[Stratosphere747]

Does anyone think Hezbollah will be destroyed in this conflict? Or will they remain as they are but just with a few less missiles? Or possibly new terrorists will emerge from the conflict like Hezbollah did in the 1980s and Al Qaeda after we armed them in Afghanistan to fight communism?

It is hard to imagine anything positive coming from this but I'm pretty cynical.

Only way to is to put gound troops into Lebanon.

[x-y-no]

Does anyone think Hezbollah will be destroyed in this conflict? Or will they remain as they are but just with a few less missiles? Or possibly new terrorists will emerge from the conflict like Hezbollah did in the 1980s and Al Qaeda after we armed them in Afghanistan to fight communism?

It is hard to imagine anything positive coming from this but I'm pretty cynical.

I'm certain they won't be destroyed. The best case scenario would be that they're so severely weakened that the Lebanese army is capable of securing southern Lebanon once the Israelis pull out again.

[stormtruth]

Does anyone think Hezbollah will be destroyed in this conflict? Or will they remain as they are but just with a few less missiles? Or possibly new terrorists will emerge from the conflict like Hezbollah did in the 1980s and Al Qaeda after we armed them in Afghanistan to fight communism?

It is hard to imagine anything positive coming from this but I'm pretty cynical.

I'm certain they won't be destroyed. The best case scenario would be that they're so severely weakened that the Lebanese army is capable of securing southern Lebanon once the Israelis pull out again.

That would be a good outcome. Maybe with some UN support -- that had been mentioned before -- to help the Lebanese army.

[Stratosphere747]

We will not see Lebanon's army securing the south anytime soon, with or without UN help. Not going to happen....

Either Israel continues on and keeps their phone off the hook, or everything will be back to status quo within months.

[Janice]

CNN is saying now that the US might have to send Marines in on helicopters to get all the civilians in remote places. They have no way out because the roads will be too dangerous.

The Marines in there will not be accepted well.

They said the Marines and helicopters would have to go over areas held by the enemies.

[x-y-no]

We will not see Lebanon's army securing the south anytime soon, with or without UN help. Not going to happen....

Either Israel continues on and keeps their phone off the hook, or everything will be back to status quo within months.

Well, I did say "best case".

I'm afraid your scenario is more likely. That's why I said earlier that the party likely to gain most from all this mess is Iran. I'll bet they're pretty pleased right now.

[stormtruth]

We will not see Lebanon's army securing the south anytime soon, with or without UN help. Not going to happen....

Either Israel continues on and keeps their phone off the hook, or everything will be back to status quo within months.

Well, I did say "best case".

I'm afraid your scenario is more likely. That's why I said earlier that the party likely to gain most from all this mess is Iran. I'll bet they're pretty pleased right now.

Bummer. Yes Iran is super pleased. I'm sure Hezbollah is too since it is unlikely they will be killed off and will probably even recruit more peeps as a result of the bombs falling and missiles flying.

[Janice]

Israeli Warplanes Attack Suspected Hezbollah Bunker
Israeli warplanes target what the military says is a bunker for senior Hezbollah leaders in Beirut, The Associated Press reports.

Per Fox

Rocket Attack on Holy City of Nazareth Kills Two Children

[Stratosphere747]

We will not see Lebanon's army securing the south anytime soon, with or without UN help. Not going to happen....

Either Israel continues on and keeps their phone off the hook, or everything will be back to status quo within months.

Well, I did say "best case".

I'm afraid your scenario is more likely. That's why I said earlier that the party likely to gain most from all this mess is Iran. I'll bet they're pretty pleased right now.

I'm with you on Iran, though not quite sure how far they are willing to push it. From a few reports, they have forbid Hezzbolah from using the longer ranged missiles that Iran has given them.

As crazy as Ahmadinejad is, IMO he has figured out that Hezzbolah is doing just enough and anything more would allow Israel to take things up another notch.

Now the question becomes if Ahmadinejad becomes impatient and for whatever reason desires to see an escaltion in the confict.

[southerngale]

I haven't had time to read everything and now I'm headed out, but I saw a few things that were getting too personal. Remember: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.

If anyone sees an offensive post or it's getting political, please PM a mod and the offenders will be dealt with.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Rocket Attack on Holy City of Nazareth Kills Two Children

That Rocket Attack was launched by Hezbollah... and the two children it killed were Arabic.... I think this is important to know as well.

A2K