Israel thread #2

[x-y-no]

CNN need sto change its name to HNN, The Hezbollah News Network

More Hezbollah propaganda broadcast today

Oh, come on ...

[sunny]

Southerngale, as a potential journalist, I have to look at different views. I see stuff that you don't get to see.

So you are saying the media tells us only what they WANT us to know (there's a surprise)? But they are going to let an intern see it?

]I am not trying to argue with anyone, but when I see far out posts I am going to respond in kind. Not everyone has to agree with what Israel is doing.

The problem here comes in when someones opinion is ATTACKED. Debate is healthy, fighting is not. By telling someone their opinion is "ridiculous", you open yourself up to others jumping in. Especially when that someone is a long-standing member of our community.

Another thing you need to take into consideration is the fact that there are some of us who have had loved ones fighting in the war on terror, and still more who STILL have loved ones fighting in the war on terror. So we will take certain issues personal. I see you have "military family" listed in your profile, how do they take to your views?

[NBCintern]

Southerngale, as a potential journalist, I have to look at different views. I see stuff that you don't get to see.

So you are saying the media tells us only what they WANT us to know (there's a surprise)? But they are going to let an intern see it?

]I am not trying to argue with anyone, but when I see far out posts I am going to respond in kind. Not everyone has to agree with what Israel is doing.

The problem here comes in when someones opinion is ATTACKED. Debate is healthy, fighting is not. By telling someone their opinion is "ridiculous", you open yourself up to others jumping in. Especially when that someone is a long-standing member of our community.

Another thing you need to take into consideration is the fact that there are some of us who have had loved ones fighting in the war on terror, and still more who STILL have loved ones fighting in the war on terror. So we will take certain issues personal. I see you have "military family" listed in your profile, how do they take to your views?

what do you think the broadcaster's are going to get their own news or type their own stuff? I see the wires and the voluminous amounts of televisions feeds from all over. it's pretty awesome to see.

[Pburgh]

NBC, as Sunny asked you, how does your military family like your views??

[Brent]

Sounds like Israel is on the verge of a ground invasion... it's going to be very ugly and not pretty(much worse than what's been going on).

[stormtruth]

Sounds like Israel is on the verge of a ground invasion... it's going to be very ugly and not pretty(much worse than what's been going on).

It doesn't sound like Israel learned any lessons from the 80s or from more recent examples like Fallujah. I doubt Sharon would have done this.

[x-y-no]

Sounds like Israel is on the verge of a ground invasion... it's going to be very ugly and not pretty(much worse than what's been going on).

It's been pretty clear from the tactics used that Israel has been deliberately pinning Hezbollah down in preparation for engaging them directly on the ground. But I think the Israelis have been more than a little shocked at how professional a fighting force Hezbollah has become. So now they're hesitating a bit.

Bill Roggio at the Counterterrorism Blog offers this analysis, with which I concur:

What we are seeing today is the direct result of the state sponsorship of a terrorist entity after it has gone unchecked for over two decades. Hezbollah has evolved from a terrorist, paramilitary group into the most effective fighting force in Lebanon, capable of conducting professional operations and using sophisticated weapons. The training camps in the Bekaa Valley are not only churning out fighters for Hezbollah, but train other terrorist organizations, exporting the dangerous tactics being used today in Lebanon, much like the training camps in Afghanistan served as a breeding grounds of today's crop of terrorists.

While Israel can degrade Hezbollah via air strikes, naval bombardments and limited raids, the Iranian proxy force cannot be defeated without putting boots on the ground in southern Lebanon and deep into the Bekaa Valley. Hezbollah fighters must be engaged on the ground to be defeated. Anything short of that - a buffer zone or negotiated settlement, both of which members of the Israel government and military has indicated it would accept - is a victory for Hezbollah and Iran. Hezbollah would have struck at Israeli cities and stood up the invincible Israeli army, while weakening the nascent Lebanese democracy and asserting itself as the true military power in the country. This would far exceed Hezbollah's victory of the Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000.

The surprise and uncertainty of Hezbollah's military capabilities may in fact be the reason for pausing a massive invasion of Lebanon. Israel has yet to give up the option of a major ground strike, but there is resistance to moving into Southern Lebanon. The Jerusalem Post reports "IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz is known to be opposed to a ground incursion into Lebanon, which he has said would only be carried out as a last resort." The deputy prime minister and the minister of defense have also signaled a large scale ground incursion is not desired.

This attitude will need to change if Israel wishes to eliminate the threat on the northern border.

[feederband]

Sounds like Israel is on the verge of a ground invasion... it's going to be very ugly and not pretty(much worse than what's been going on).

That's the only way they can get those missiles from hitting their city's...They need to back up the Hezbollah forces from the border...From the looks of it they are not messing around but going in real heavy...Now will have to see if Syria will try to counter them..They have been saying they will if Israel launches a ground invasion..

[Stephanie]

...just to get the morning tensions going, perhaps?

there is no doubt in my mind that was the reasoning!!

fwbbreeze

kinda funny you would respond to fragmented statements.

That comment helped in what way???

It really does seem to me that everytime YOU post, an argument begins. You also mentioned that when you see something posted that is "far out" that you will respond in kind. Sometimes silence is golden and that is what the majority of our members are practicing. However, you feel "compelled" to respond or call out someone on it or "attack" them (see your comment to fwbbreeze above). That's when we put our foot down.

Thanks for your post sunny.

[feederband]

...just to get the morning tensions going, perhaps?

there is no doubt in my mind that was the reasoning!!

fwbbreeze

kinda funny you would respond to fragmented statements.

That comment helped in what way???

It really does seem to me that everytime YOU post, an argument begins. You also mentioned that when you see something posted that is "far out" that you will respond in kind. Sometimes silence is golden and that is what the majority of our members are practicing. However, you feel "compelled" to respond or call out someone on it or "attack" them (see your comment to feederband above). That's when we put our foot down.

Thanks for your post sunny.

Dam ...Did I miss something?

[Stephanie]

I'm just catching up feeder...

[NBCintern]

NBC, as Sunny asked you, how does your military family like your views??

I talked to some and their views differ. One thinks U.S.I. blew it by taking a stance for Israel because it automatically takes them out of any negotiating process (mediation). The other says we should just leave it alone and let them handle it, and if need be, come in and clean up. The other thinks Israel over reacted to the situation and has taken things to the extreme when in the past they have made swaps in the future. I think kinda along the lines of both, but that Israel should show some restraint. The bombings ain't don nothing, but getting other countries pissed off at all the carnage Israel is doing. They failed to defeat Hez in the past, and I doubt they will this time around.

[sunny]

NBC, as Sunny asked you, how does your military family like your views??

I talked to some and their views differ. One thinks U.S.I. blew it by taking a stance for Israel because it automatically takes them out of any negotiating process (mediation). The other says we should just leave it alone and let them handle it, and if need be, come in and clean up. The other thinks Israel over reacted to the situation and has taken things to the extreme when in the past they have made swaps in the future. I think kinda along the lines of both, but that Israel should show some restraint. The bombings ain't don nothing, but getting other countries pissed off at all the carnage Israel is doing. They failed to defeat Hez in the past, and I doubt they will this time around.

USI? What is that?

We have chosen to stand by one of our closest allies after they were attacked. That is a bad thing? We have asked Israel to "not do anything" in the past, and they didn't. How can you be so sure the bombing aren't doing "anything" to weaken Hezbollah?

[Audrey2Katrina]

CNN need sto change its name to HNN, The Hezbollah News Network

More Hezbollah propaganda broadcast today

Derek that is like saying we should change the U.S.A. to U.S.I..

Explain, please! Derek's comment was about a news agency... yours is about our entire country, as a whole--which interestingly enough has had/allowed and in some places encouraged anti-Israeli protests. You might well contend that all you're doing is using ridiculous to expose ridiculous; but that's going beyond the pale as one is a news agency and the other an entire nation. The comparison is woefully bad. The insertion of the "I" after US, has the potential to be perceived as a blatantly anti-semitic comment.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Southerngale, as a potential journalist, I have to look at different views.

Would you have "look[ed] at different views" during WWII, and seen some potential rationale for the deathcamps of the Nazi regime? The holocaust? Might you have been interested in reporting the Japanese perspective for bombing Pearl Harbor?... Just curious as to how far you'd take this "look at different views" perspective. Personally I have ZERO interest in the viewpoints of a terrorist.

A2K

[wx247]

Wow... I come hear to find news and I find hatred. Wow... this is awful. I am so surprised that people can't discuss issues without getting their panties bunched, to be frank.

The live images on MSNBC a few minutes ago along the Israeli/Lebanese border of the soldiers amassing is amazing to me. Why is the Israeli govt permitting this?

[NBCintern]

CNN need sto change its name to HNN, The Hezbollah News Network

More Hezbollah propaganda broadcast today

Derek that is like saying we should change the U.S.A. to U.S.I..

Explain, please! Derek's comment was about a news agency... yours is about our entire country, as a whole--which interestingly enough has had/allowed and in some places encouraged anti-Israeli protests. You might well contend that all you're doing is using ridiculous to expose ridiculous; but that's going beyond the pale as one is a news agency and the other an entire nation. The comparison is woefully bad. The insertion of the "I" after US, has the potential to be perceived as a blatantly anti-semitic comment.

A2K

A2K, you trying to cause trouble and you know it.

[wx247]

Hey NBCintern... what exclusive access do you have things? I worked in the news business and had access to all the wire services and essentially everything you have access to via the wires is available online now, although sometimes delayed.

[NBCintern]

Hey NBCintern... what exclusive access do you have things? I worked in the news business and had access to all the wire services and essentially everything you have access to via the wires is available online now, although sometimes delayed.

I have access to newswires and what not. I sometimes have been given the task to write up some reports for the broadies to read on air (edited of course). But its the experience that counts. The wires are fine, but the satellite feeds that come in is what you don't get to see. I get to see them (time permitting).

[wx247]

The satellite feeds are also available through CNN Pipeline.