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#161 Postby Aquawind » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:41 am

Aren't peacekeepers soldiers who are there to keep the peace?



Well if they are they should just get out of the way when real war happens and it's beyond the usual peace situations. They need to kick it up more than a few notches when 2 parties are at war and the U.N. is really not involved and prepared for it yet. You can't just sit in your box and think everything will be fine.. If your in war you need to be proactive just to protect yourself no matter who you are or get out regroup and then make your descisions as to what one is going to do..
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#162 Postby Janice » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:42 am

Well, it will never get any better. The countries are building bigger and more powerful toys all the time. New bombs and missles will appear with horrible warheads, I fear. The times of the past are over, IMO. :cry:

I think we are living in the best of times and I feel that for our children and grandchildren as a country, it will be not be as good as a life as we have had.
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#163 Postby Janice » Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:21 am

Al Qaeda urges 'whole world' battle

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- With a poster of the burning World Trade Center behind him, Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant appeared on tape Thursday calling on Muslims to join the fight against Israel and "rise up seeking martyrdom and attack the crusaders and Zionists."

The video of Ayman al-Zawahiri aired on Al-Jazeera.

He likened the battles in Lebanon and Gaza to al Qaeda's battle against the West and called on Muslims to wage "jihad in the name of God." He did not specifically mention Hezbollah, which is battling Israel in southern Lebanon, or Hamas, which is embroiled in fighting in Gaza.

"The al Qaeda organization will not stay silent regarding what the Muslims in Palestine and Lebanon are facing," al-Zawahiri said. (Watch the terror leader call on Muslims to fight Israel -- 2:51)

Hezbollah, a Shiite militia, and al Qaeda, a Sunni group, share a common enemy, but they have long been wary of each another. Despite their differences, al-Zawahiri tells the Muslims in Lebanon and Palestinian territories, "Stand with us and we will stand with you."

Nowhere is safe from al Qaeda attacks, he warned, saying that "the whole world is an open field for us."

"As they attack us everywhere, we will attack them everywhere. They gang up to wage war on us; our (Islamic) nation will fight them and wage war on them," al-Zawahiri said.

He said that the Israeli rockets that "are tearing up Muslims' bodies in Gaza and Lebanon" are paid for by the "crusader's alliance," referring to U.S. support for Israel.

He added, "Everyone who participated in this crime must pay the price, and we will not stand by watching these explosives pouring down on our brothers in Gaza and Lebanon while we stand in silence and do nothing."

Hamas and Hezbollah became targets of Israel after the groups' guerillas captured Israeli soldiers in separate cross-border raids. Israeli airstrikes and artillery have been hammering Gaza and Lebanon in what Israel says is an attempt to retrieve its soldiers and neutralize both groups' militants.

In Thursday's tape, Al-Zawahiri questioned whether the punishment fit the crime.

"The dangerous events going on in Gaza and Lebanon are proof to any sane person that the crusader-Zionist war is targeting us. No one budged for 10,000 prisoners in Israeli jails. However, the whole world went up in arms for three Israeli prisoners," he said.

Al-Zawahiri further called for "jihad to liberate Palestine, all of Palestine, and liberate all the lands that used to be Muslim from Spain to Iraq."

Alongside the World Trade Center poster were three other images: one of Mohammed Atef, also known as Abu Hafs al-Masri, who was killed in 2001 during a U.S. missile strike in Afghanistan; one of 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta wearing a beard; and one that couldn't be fully seen because al-Zawahiri was standing in front of it.

Al-Zawahiri also released a video last month after the death of al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

'Remember me?'

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html
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#164 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:45 am

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060 ... -5852r.htm

The leader of Hezbollah may be in the Iranian enbassy.
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#165 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:19 am

The leader of Hezbollah may be in the Iranian enbassy.


Real courageous leader! Stir up the pot real good!!.. Then high-tail it to the safety of the real perpetrators of all the trouble where you can feel nice and safe; then make sure to go on media outlets and rant an rave about "your" people being killed over in the area you managed to slither out from.

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#166 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:19 am

Hezbollah has hit Afoula, south of Haifa

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html
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#167 Postby Janice » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:11 pm

Israel vows to avoid Hezbollah trap

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Amid intense clashes between Hezbollah fighters and Israeli forces Friday, the Israeli government said it was not planning to send thousands of troops into Lebanon to fall into a likely militant trap.

"Israel is going to do it at our own pace, at our own time, to make sure that when we go in, we go in carefully, and that we don't walk into their booby traps," Israeli government spokeswoman Miri Eisin said. "We want to stop the rocket fire, but we also want to make sure that Hezbollah will not be there afterward."

Since Israel left Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah has built up the area around Bint Jbeil in southern Lebanon, according to Eisin.

"Not only [do they have] a terrorist army, but they are sort of waiting for us to come in," she said. "They have booby-trapped the entire area. They want us to walk into those booby traps."

The Israeli Security Cabinet on Thursday authorized the call-up of three divisions of reserves. A division can include between 5,000 and 10,000 troops.

So far, only the officers of those brigades have put on their uniforms and begun to train for possible military action, military sources said.

Militants tout new rocket
Northern Israeli towns spent another tense day under a barrage of rockets fired from Lebanon. By Friday afternoon, 84 Hezbollah rockets hit the region, wounding 34 people, police said.

Three Hezbollah rockets that struck the Afula area Friday carried 100 kilograms (220 pounds) of explosives, making them the most powerful the Lebanese-based militant group has lobbed into Israel since the crisis began 17 days ago, Israeli police said.

More information in the above link.
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#168 Postby Janice » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:12 pm

Bush, Blair want U.N. resolution for Mideast truce
Iran, Syria told to back peace or risk confrontation
Condoleezza Rice to return to Israel, Lebanon
Israel-Hezbollah attacks rage on conflict's 17th day
Death tolls nears 450 in Lebanon and Israel

http://www.cnn.com/
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#169 Postby stormtruth » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:16 pm

Shootings at Jewish Federation building in Seattle. One woman killed. Shooter said "I'm Muslim American. I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744017.html
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#170 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:47 pm

"I'm Muslim American. I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting.


Impeccable logic... lock her up and throw away the key. Bad case of deja vu here.

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#171 Postby stormtruth » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:38 am

What's Nasrallah talking about?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744031.html

According to Nasrallah, "Israel is ready for a cease-fire, but the United States insists on continued fighting in Lebanon. Israel has been exposed as a slave of the U.S.," he said.


Guess he missed Condi's recital for peace.
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#172 Postby Janice » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:51 am

Lebanon: Hezbollah backs peace proposals

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice returned to the Middle East Saturday, hours after Israel rejected a U.N. call for a three-day cease-fire.

Rice is to meet Saturday night with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem, the first stop in her latest bid to negotiate an end to fighting.

It has not been announced when she might travel to Beirut to meet with Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora.

The United States does not support calls for an immediate cease-fire. The Bush administration has said Israel must be able to sufficiently weaken Hezbollah forces or hostilities would only start up again.

U.N. Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland appealed for the cease-fire "so that we can evacuate wounded, evacuate children, evacuate the elderly and the disabled from the crossfire in Lebanon."

A third of the people killed in Lebanon have been children, he said.

Israel government spokesman Avi Pazner said Israel rejects a temporary cease-fire for getting civilians out of southern Lebanon.

"There is no need for a 72-hour temporary cease-fire because Israel has opened a humanitarian corridor to and from Lebanon," Pazner told reporters.

"The problem is completely different. It is the Hezbollah who is deliberately preventing the transfer of medical aid and of food to the population of southern Lebanon in order to create a humanitarian crisis which they want to blame Israel for."

Deal in works to end crisis
Meanwhile, Hezbollah representatives and Lebanese cabinet ministers have reached an agreement in general -- but with some major reservations -- on a proposal to end the crisis, high-ranking Lebanese government officials say.

Rice said she has only read news reports about the plan but said it appeared to have "some very good elements."

En route from Asia to the Middle East, Rice told reporters she expected the weekend talks to be intense and emotional because both sides are "under extreme pressure in a difficult set of circumstances."

She said she was not bringing a comprehensive plan to the table.

Israeli spokesman Pazner said he believes her visit with Olmert will be fruitful.

"This time, she comes to present concrete ideas," he said. "She will be able to tell us exactly what kind of international force has to be sent here and what kind of resolution has to be passed by the United Nations."

The Israelis have called for an international force to police a buffer zone just north of the border with Lebanon to ensure that Hezbollah cannot use the southern part of the country to launch rockets.

Israel began its operations against in southern Lebanon on July 12, after the Iranian-backed Hezbollah launched a cross-border raid, killing three soldiers and capturing two others. Five more soldiers were also killed.

Since then, Lebanese Internal Security Forces said Saturday that 421 people have been killed and 1,661 have been wounded in Lebanon.

Israeli officials said Friday that 52 Israelis -- 33 soldiers and 19 civilians -- have died and 1,233 Israelis -- 110 soldiers and 1,123 civilians -- have been wounded in the fighting.

Hezbollah has not released any casualty figures, but Israeli military sources estimated Friday they have killed about 200 Hezbollah fighters.

Lebanese cease-fire plan

Read more of the article...http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD ... index.html
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#173 Postby Janice » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:11 pm

Condoleezza Rice arrives in Israel to push peace
Hezbollah chief says Israel failing to beat guerrillas
Israel rejects 72-hour humanitarian cease-fire
Hezbollah agrees to parts of Lebanese truce plan
Civilians killed in Lebanon; rockets hit Israel

http://www.cnn.com/
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#174 Postby Brent » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:02 pm

Two U.N. Observers wounded in Israeli airstrike
Israeli airstrike hits Lebanese border crossing 1 km from the Syrian border

Just on MSNBC...
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#175 Postby DanKellFla » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:22 pm

For over a decade, Israel has been the target of missle attacks that originated in another country. Anywhere else in the world, that would be considered an act of war. For some reason, Israel was supposed to put up with it. The U.N. said it would take care of it. So, Israel waited. Israel asked the U.N. to put a stop to the rockets. Nothing. Israel continued to wait. Meanwhile, Iran made more rockets and shipped them to Lebanon to supplement to home-made rockets. The Lebanese government was helpless or just didn't want to stop all of this. Meanwhile, Hezbollah launches rockets from civillian neighborhoods. They are dressed as civilians. They build rockets in the civillian neighborhoods. Basically, they blend in. All the while, rockets continue to fall on Israel occasionally killing civilians. How do we know that the Israelis are civillians? No uniform. Very easy. How do we know a Hezbollah "soldier?" Not so easy. No uniform or any other obvious markings. They fire the rockets from locations that are deliberately chosen to make it hard for Israel to bomb without collateral damage. In the past, terrorists have used vehicles disguised to look like official Red Cross or U.N. vehicles. So, how should Israel defend themselves? I can't think of a better way to avoid killing civillians than to phone them at home and tell them to leave. Why would anybody stay? They have been notified that bombs will fall on them. This isn't like a hurricane evacuation where some evacuees will come back and find that nothing really bad happenened. It is simple, if you stay, a bomb will fall on you. It is unfortunate that some have chosen to stay. It is unfortunate that Hezbollah doesn't do more to protect the civillians. The real tragedy is that if the world (U.N. ?) had decided that rocket attacks on Israel were unacceptable, all this could have been prevented. The U.N. has a resolution to disarm Hezbollah. Obviously, that resolution has no teeth. Now, after years of inaction, Israel acts and in this twisted political climate some are accusing Israel of being the aggresor. I don't understand how people can take that point of view.
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#176 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:04 am

CN is now reporting at least 32 additional dead Lebonese

Still should stay the course since they are fighting the same enemy as we are. They will kill us wthut a thought, as evidenced on 9/11
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#177 Postby nystate » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:15 am

Still should stay the course since they are fighting the same enemy as we are. They will kill us wthut a thought, as evidenced on 9/11



Hizballah would, but the Lebanese people wouldn't. Lebanese are very friendly, and until this thing had started had been very pro-USA. 25,000 Americans didn't move there for no reason!

On a side note, TV just reported that 37 Lebanese children were killed in the most recent Israeli airstrike...
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#178 Postby feederband » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:02 am

nystate wrote:Hizballah would, but the Lebanese people wouldn't. Lebanese are very friendly,


But apparently there are even more friendly to terrorist ,thus giving them safe harbor in southern Lebanon...Don't be fooled these people are terrorist supporters...
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#179 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:05 am

over 50 killed from that air raid

However, Israel did warn them to leave the town on many occasions as they warned that the city would be bombed. The people refused to do so (reminds me of some in hurricanes here)
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#180 Postby Brent » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:46 am

Well I think things just escalated in a big way. Condi Rice heads back to Washington again without an end to this(and reports said she was getting close to one before this).
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