Israel vs Hezbollah Thread #3
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Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about all the civilians... that happens in war, and if people think Israel can save their nation by fighting with pillows they can forget it. Hizbullah/Hezbollah is a pack of cowards, and the biggest tragedy in all this is that the media which keeps reminding us about civilian deaths, doesnt take the time to equally remind us that this is largely a consequence of Hezbollah's predilection for NOT wearing uniforms, and positioning their rocket launchers and other weaponry deeply within civilian areas--a civlian population that largely supports them, I might add.
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But apparently there are even more friendly to terrorist ,thus giving them safe harbor in southern Lebanon...Don't be fooled these people are terrorist supporters...
Actually, they aren't terrorist supporters. The Lebanese people are (or should I say were) the most pro-US people of any Arab nation. Beirut has long been regarded as one of the safest and most beautiful cities to visit in the Middle East. These people weren't giving Hizballah safe haven...HIzballah just barged in, built bunkers and missile launchers, and there was nothing that these people could do about it. The Lebanese Army isn't strong enough to deal with Hizballah...
over 50 killed from that air raid
However, Israel did warn them to leave the town on many occasions as they warned that the city would be bombed. The people refused to do so (reminds me of some in hurricanes here)
They warned them, but they also bombed all the roads and bridges leading out of the town...
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and Hezbollah hits Israel with more than 130 rockets, casuing about 50 casualties... about the same number as in the Israeli air raid.
Why is the focus only on the casualties in Lebanon?
Because there is a big difference between death and being 'injured' by a rocket (which most of the time means just cuts and scrapes or shock).
Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about all the civilians... that happens in war, and if people think Israel can save their nation by fighting with pillows they can forget it. Hizbullah/Hezbollah is a pack of cowards, and the biggest tragedy in all this is that the media which keeps reminding us about civilian deaths, doesnt take the time to equally remind us that this is largely a consequence of Hezbollah's predilection for NOT wearing uniforms, and positioning their rocket launchers and other weaponry deeply within civilian areas--a civlian population that largely supports them, I might add.
I find this statement disturbing. Hizballah are the bad guys here, not the innocent Lebanese people! I don't understand how you can just write off civilian deaths without even a second thought. These people were children...they didn't know what Hizballah was doing, and they certainly didn't support Hizballah. Hizballah is responsible for their deaths, but that doesn't mean that they are somehow worthless or meaningless!
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The people had plenty of time to get out. In fact, the TV crews had no trouble getting in or out today. There must be some roads still intact if they have no problem.
The fact is, it was possible to leave, not all roads and bridges were destroyed, yet the people failed to leave, like those in Key West during Wilma
The fact is, it was possible to leave, not all roads and bridges were destroyed, yet the people failed to leave, like those in Key West during Wilma
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Actually, they aren't terrorist supporters. The Lebanese people are (or should I say were) the most pro-US people of any Arab nation.
That's debatable; but possible. If, however, their minds have changed because of the way Hezbollah has literall USED them... then that "pro" wasn't very strong, or else they're incredibly gullible/stupid--take your pick.
Beirut has long been regarded as one of the safest and most beautiful cities to visit in the Middle East.
This is true. Beirut was once a Mediterranean resort city that rivaled any along the coast. Sad what a horrible bunch of cowards can do to a nation.
These people weren't giving Hizballah safe haven...HIzballah just barged in, built bunkers and missile launchers, and there was nothing that these people could do about it.
They sure don't seem to be too hamstrung when it comes to taking to the streets and rioting when it suits their purpose. They sure did after the assassination of their last leader; and they sure did while storming the UN building in Beirut today. The problem is people aren't accepting the reality that a LOT of these people have been "taken in" by this terrorist group--the fact that they openly ELECTED 1/3 of their so-called "democratic" government as members of this terrorist group, hardly lends credibility to any claim that they weren't enabling these monsters at the very least.
The Lebanese Army isn't strong enough to deal with Hizballah...
And yet that was EXACTLY the condition of the last UN resolution that the Lebanese take care of--Eliminating the power of Hezbollah in that country. They didn't seem to be very mute in crying to the world for help to get the Israelis out--where was their outrage at their own government's inability to get rid of these cowards who shoot from behind civilians?
Look, all this outrage is entirely misplaced. It brings to mind a cartoon I've seen recently showing two fighters aiming their guns at one-another. The one on the right, with an Israeli flag above him, is decked out in obvious military attire (i.e. UNIFORM) and on one knee IN FRONT of a baby carriage taking aim to protect the child--the other, on the left, with a Hez/Palestinian logo above shows the fighter completely decked in CIVILIAN accoutrements, and aiming his gun at his opponent from BEHIND a baby carriage!
Says it ALL!... Sad thing is gullible people can't see exactly the propaganda game these spineless cowards are playing. There are FILMS showing the Hez firing their missiles from DIRECTLY behind a civilian building. Other films show them firing their missiles from nearby a civilian area, and IMMEDIATELY driving their launchers to buildings they KNOW house civilians. Are the Israelis supposed to just let these vermin continue to shoot at them with impunity because they run and hide behind civilians? Those people/children would be ALIVE today if it weren't for the attrocious conduct of Hezbollah. It was HEZBOLLAH that caused the deaths of these children. It was HEZBOLLAH that caused the deaths of countless civilians, in that they hide behind them, and actually INTERFERE with their evacuation, so that they can keep human shields. If after seeing all this, people can STILL display their outrage at Israel instead of at the REAL villains in all of this: HEZBOLLAH... then we are in VERY serious trouble. We have reached a major milestone in the war on terrorists and their barbaric practices--if we flinch here, God help us all!
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I find this statement disturbing. Hizballah are the bad guys here, not the innocent Lebanese people!
I find THIS statement disturbing. By the constant BARRAGE of "poor innocent civilian" media, the public sentiment is positively being manipulated against the WRONG BAD GUYS! The SAME Lebanese who managed to take to the streets en-masse and riot against an entire NATION (Syria) were utterly impotent in ridding themselves of the terror group called Hezbollah? Sorry, while I have no doubt there are many who don't "support" Hez openly; polls as far back as FEBRUARY showed that over 60 % of the Lebanese openly supported Hezbollah, and now, after almost a month of these cowards USING them as human shields, that support has jumped to 87%... so be it... these people obviously have always had an inclination to enable this terror outfit, and are now reaping the whirlwind. While I truly regret the death of innocents (especially those kids)... I lay the blame for ALL these deaths squarely where it belongs... on Hezbollah!!! Anyone reflecting that blame to Israel has no clue about what these monsters are doing, and certainly hasn't been paying much attention to their openly expressed goals of pure unadulterated HATE, and lust for both genocide against Israel, and CONQUEST.
I find that VERY disturbing.
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The fact is, it was possible to leave, not all roads and bridges were destroyed,
That's kind of true with an important codicil, Derek. There is mounting evidence that Hezbollah (may they rot in hell), are actually impeding the exodus of civilians so that they may use them as shields. Others are actually staying because they DO support Hezbollah and it's agenda of hate, but people are simply refusing to see the forest for the trees here.
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I don't understand how you can just write off civilian deaths without even a second thought. These people were children...they didn't know what Hizballah was doing, and they certainly didn't support Hizballah. Hizballah is responsible for their deaths, but that doesn't mean that they are somehow worthless or meaningless!
In the first place please STOP suggesting I implied that these children were "worthless"... as that goes beyond attacking a straw man... it's patently untrue. Let me interpret my words... and not you. How would you like it if I made a reply akin to:
"How can you sanction people shooting at innocent people across a national border and then running to hide behind their own innocent citizenry? How can you even hint that we need to cave-in obsequiously to the demands of these terrorists?" Of course this is NOT what I'm saying; because it would be tantamount to crawling into your mind and suggesting that I KNOW what you are thinking--which I do NOT... and neither do you know what I'm thinking! So please stick to the issues, and do NOT read between the lines by putting words into my mouth!
Now in response to the protracted appeal about those poor innocent civilians, I have a very serious question for you:
Had you been shown the countless hospitals, schools, homes, bombed to smithereens during ALLIED bombings of cities like Dresden and Hamburg during WWII, complete with all the "sad music" and photos of bloodied and battered bodies of children, would you have been in the front ranks demanding a "Cease-fire" in the case of the war? Should we have stopped altogether the bombing of civilian population areas during that war against a truly EVIL force hell-bent on genocide against one people, and enslavement of countless others? Just answer that question in its given context please.
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Also, could someone please tell me why Kofi Annan is not coming out against the Lebanese for trashing the ebmassy in a blatanly deliberate act of violence? I am tired of his double standard
He's a JOKE, and not a very funny one. People are entirely TOO quick to forget, and/or brush things under the rug. Remember it was this guy's SON who was neck-deep involved in the "oil-for-money" scandal with Saddam. I trust him and the UN minions about as far as I could throw them.
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Breaking News: Armed GUNMEN have stormed the UN Compound in GAZA.
How does that saying go? You sleep with dogs....???
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How does that saying go? You sleep with dogs....???
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