Major Terror plot foiled against U.K.-U.S. bound flights

[stormtruth]

And by the way the nudist planes sound like a great idea, secure and fun

Have you seen the average airline passenger? And you want to see them naked? <shudder!>

Zoeyann was picturing a plane full of models

[gtalum]

Please explain how the government has gone overboard when UK intelligence says LIQUID BOMBS were going to be used to blow up planes in mid flights killing thousands?

They're "going overboard" because the restrictions are both inconvenient AND utterly ineffective. If they were at least effective it wouldn't be so bad.

[sunny]

Please explain how the government has gone overboard when UK intelligence says LIQUID BOMBS were going to be used to blow up planes in mid flights killing thousands?

They're "going overboard" because the restrictions are both inconvenient AND utterly ineffective. If they were at least effective it wouldn't be so bad.

Ineffective? They are making passengers throw these things away. How is that ineffective?

[Audrey2Katrina]

Just because I think the government has gone overboard on restrictions doesn't mean I want to become an Islamic terrorist. LOL!!!

Please show me where I even suggested that YOU wanted to become an Islamic terorist. LOL

A2K

[stormtruth]

Just because I think the government has gone overboard on restrictions doesn't mean I want to become an Islamic terrorist. LOL!!!

Please explain how the government has gone overboard when UK intelligence says LIQUID BOMBS were going to be used to blow up planes in mid flights killing thousands?

Liquid Bombs created with bottled water and mascara? Doubtful. What chemicals were used and what were the terrorists going to do sit in the middle of the plane and mix these chemicals together while everyone just let them? Don't mind us we are just mixing our drinks together

[gtalum]

Ineffective? They are making passengers throw these things away. How is that ineffective?

They only make them get rid of them if they try to carry them onboard. They can still put liquids and gels into their checked luggage. Thus if the liquids are explosive liquids, they can be remotely detonated with parts we can find at our local hardware stores.

[sunny]

Ineffective? They are making passengers throw these things away. How is that ineffective?

They only make them get rid of them if they try to carry them onboard. They can still put liquids and gels into their checked luggage. Thus if the liquids are explosive liquids, they can be remotely detonated with parts we can find at our local hardware stores.

Well damn, ain't our security people just a bunch of fools. We should put you in charge of things since apparently they know nothing

[angelwing]

I'm just glad I don't fly, it's hard enough driving to where I want to go

[zoeyann]

Yeah I was hoping to book my future flights with naked football players and movie stars. A girl can hope

Seriously though someone has a good cooment about the stuff still in cargo. Is there anyway to detect things in the bags that are checked? I hope they are not overlooking something. Terrorists seem to work like hackers as soon as they come up with protective measures they already have someone trying to find the loophole.

[all_we_know_is_FALLING]

Why are people complaining about the restrictions? A few minutes.. even at this time a few hours delay is waaayyyy better than having planes blowing up.

And from what I saw on Sky News the people in the airports seem to be taking it in stride. They understand that the security measures are necessary.

[Yarrah]

The terrorists must be really proud now. All this chaos and a worldleader once again saying he's at war is exactly what they want. And they haven't even killed someone; they were only planning to (at least, that's what the media tells us).

[brunota2003]

Ineffective? They are making passengers throw these things away. How is that ineffective?

They only make them get rid of them if they try to carry them onboard. They can still put liquids and gels into their checked luggage. Thus if the liquids are explosive liquids, they can be remotely detonated with parts we can find at our local hardware stores.

all remotes, laptops, cell phones have been banned...period...actually if I remember correctly all electronics have been banned...kind of hard to remote denotate a bomb without a remote

[all_we_know_is_FALLING]

Ineffective? They are making passengers throw these things away. How is that ineffective?

They only make them get rid of them if they try to carry them onboard. They can still put liquids and gels into their checked luggage. Thus if the liquids are explosive liquids, they can be remotely detonated with parts we can find at our local hardware stores.

all remotes, laptops, cell phones have been banned...period...actually if I remember correctly all electronics have been banned...kind of hard to remote denotate a bomb without a remote

I wonder if iPods are banned.

[Audrey2Katrina]

What part of this don't you understand? Moving liquids from the cabin to the cargo hold does NOTHING to prevent explosives from being detonated. Remote detonation is extremely easy.

The new restrictions are thus 100% completely ineffective against this threat. So my alternative is to let people on the plane with their toiletries. In the long run, we can keep rushing the installation of explosives sniffers to get as many flights as possible covered.

And what part of this don't you understand? I already replied to this in that it had been reported that "some" of these "liquids" were quite possibly impervious to being "sniffed" out. Additionally, how do you, or anyone else for that matter, know that better methods couldn't be taken to detect a detonation device--or for that matter that in screening what goes into the hold area, couldn't be scanned easier and/or sniffed out there? Most detonation devices carried by passengers would be in the form of cell phones, or other electronic paraphernalia that is also contraband in the passenger area--hence they would be unable to detonate from that area. If you're going to go into remote detonation from places off/outside the plane--one might think that these brilliant planners of terror would have considered this possibility--but something appears to have stymied that prospect--and they chose not to. I don't know EVERY step being taken, and neither do you. And frankly I'm quite GLAD that it's that way. I don't think "everyone" needs to know every means we have at catching/thwarting such terrorist acts. All I do know is that they'd stopped this catastrophe from happening, and, as usual, there are those complaining that they might not be allowed their hair gel, or toiletries in the passenger flight areas. I think this is just a case of looking for something to complain about--but that is just my opinion.

A2K

[stormtruth]

Why are people complaining about the restrictions? A few minutes.. even at this time a few hours delay is waaayyyy better than having planes blowing up.

And from what I saw on Sky News the people in the airports seem to be taking it in stride. They understand that the security measures are necessary.

Nope. It's caused gridlock, chaos and anger.

[brunota2003]

Ineffective? They are making passengers throw these things away. How is that ineffective?

They only make them get rid of them if they try to carry them onboard. They can still put liquids and gels into their checked luggage. Thus if the liquids are explosive liquids, they can be remotely detonated with parts we can find at our local hardware stores.

all remotes, laptops, cell phones have been banned...period...actually if I remember correctly all electronics have been banned...kind of hard to remote denotate a bomb without a remote

I wonder if iPods are banned.

yes they were...according to Yahoo! News they interviewed a guy complaining about his 8 hour flight without his Ipod because they wouldnt allow him to take it on the aircraft...

[Lindaloo]

Okay guys, let's calm this down. We can debate plus have fun doing it. No need to ruin friendships and getting into trouble over it.

[all_we_know_is_FALLING]

Why are people complaining about the restrictions? A few minutes.. even at this time a few hours delay is waaayyyy better than having planes blowing up.

And from what I saw on Sky News the people in the airports seem to be taking it in stride. They understand that the security measures are necessary.

Nope. It's caused gridlock, chaos and anger.

Hmmm.. what are your sources?

I watched it from very early this morning.. before 3 AM Central US Time and the reporters within the airports were interviewing people and they didn't seem upset at all. Of course that may have changed.

[gtalum]

A2K, I hate to tell you this, but electronics aren't banned on US flights. Only in the UK. And I'd wager that I know far more about airport "security" than you do.

[all_we_know_is_FALLING]

Ineffective? They are making passengers throw these things away. How is that ineffective?

They only make them get rid of them if they try to carry them onboard. They can still put liquids and gels into their checked luggage. Thus if the liquids are explosive liquids, they can be remotely detonated with parts we can find at our local hardware stores.

all remotes, laptops, cell phones have been banned...period...actually if I remember correctly all electronics have been banned...kind of hard to remote denotate a bomb without a remote

I wonder if iPods are banned.

yes they were...according to Yahoo! News they interviewed a guy complaining about his 8 hour flight without his Ipod because they wouldnt allow him to take it on the aircraft...

Better safe than sorry.