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#201 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:17 pm

jason0509 wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Hugo was not sheared, also Charley had a trough/weakness pull it. Which strengthen it. About the same quad of the trough will be lifting this. The thing is it has to do it right or it will be sheared.


Speaking of troughs and the synoptic set-up, etc., does this set-up look at like like the set-up for the Long Island express?

A trough helped Wilma get back to cat 3 before Florida as well.



I believe the long island had a trough dig southeastward reinforcement(Southeast to northwest trough elinement)which sent the cyclone up it then pulled it back in with a high at around 47 to 50 north. We will see...I have not looked at any models yet.
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#202 Postby Stormavoider » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:21 pm

Rock, I think I'll just forget about it and put my trust in Evil Jeromy's forecast.
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#203 Postby ROCK » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:25 pm

Stormavoider wrote:Rock, I think I'll just forget about it and put my trust in Evil Jeromy's forecast.



:lol: :lol: ....that was good.......but I see what you are seeing and I tried to bring it to light earlier. Didn't get very far with it.....She will be off her initial forecast point not from the south but a tad north. If she keeps this wnw heading she will probably make her second point...so all in all, not much of a difference, I guess...
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#204 Postby JonathanBelles » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:26 pm

i think the track will be shifted west and the intensity brought up to 50-55 mph

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#205 Postby ROCK » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:28 pm

I think intensity will be up as well.
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#206 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:29 pm

Not an official forecast, merely a speculation at this point by a weather hobbyist: See s2K disclaimer:

The discussion at 11 a.m noted the west motion would continue for 24 hrs right? Well 12 more hours to go then. The model runs, all but the globals will not "see" the true storm structure or synoptics and at this point in the game are not much help other than identify a consensus and a trend. Although we are still shy of 20N here, I'd throw out the statisticals, climos, and the dynamic models and go with a trend of the GFS, UKMET, Canadian and FSU ensemble ONCE a true center forms and persistent convection is present near the center or in other words the storm gains sufficient height to act like the models are programmed.

That said, it is pretty reasonable that another 12 hours or so of varying shear/lack of intensifying will let Florence drift with the low level winds on a W to WNW course. Then we may see the ULL retrograde and allow Florence to move under favorable upper level winds and stack up. By that time we would have Florence past 55W perhaps around 19.5 N. The synoptic set up still looks like a 50/50 bet regarding the Canadian high and Bermuda high joining forces to prevent recurvature. Furthermore, the storm having intensified and moved more poleward, may in fact build the ridge up and actually impede N/NE movement. All of that would be a bit more like a 70/30 bet against landfall, but in last runs of the UKMET, GFS and MM5 I see what appears to be a consensus of a weaker trough.

The bottom line is every tick west makes the odds swing toward landfall, and the analogs for me are Fran, Floyd, and to a lesser extent Hugo once Florence decides she will pass near 25N 70W.

For tonight I will watch here for the center since it's easier to see on shortwave IR turn on LON/LAT
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-ir2.html
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#207 Postby amawea » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:30 pm

Anyone remember hurricane Inez's track. I do, as I was worried after it croosed into the gulf. She went right to the S.E. of Florida then headed west southwest, she was a bad one in the carribean. It was late september, 1966.
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#208 Postby Bgator » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:30 pm

I think th etrack should be shifted west, but i do not think it will, because no models show a west component, even though the models IMO arent intializing it right, maybe in a day or two...and for intesity i say 50-55mph to...
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#209 Postby Josephine96 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:31 pm

I say the 11pm numbers are 55-60.. I'll be an upper optimisit :lol:
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#210 Postby Zardoz » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:33 pm

Is Florence beginning to break up 91L? :

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-avn.html

If so, what does that mean?
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#211 Postby Sanibel » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:37 pm

From the convection blow-up this is telegraphing major hurricane as soon as it gets favorable down the road.
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#212 Postby ROCK » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:37 pm

Zardoz wrote:Is Florence beginning to break up 91L? :

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-avn.html

If so, what does that mean?



death to 91L......if it gets close enough. Still got a ways to go but it will be interesting the interaction.
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#213 Postby Josephine96 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:38 pm

May happen Sanibel.. 2nd cane/1st major? we shall wait and see..Flo Jo may wanna develop bunches here..
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#214 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:39 pm

ROCK wrote:
Zardoz wrote:Is Florence beginning to break up 91L? :

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-avn.html

If so, what does that mean?



death to 91L......if it gets close enough. Still got a ways to go but it will be interesting the interaction.


That would be the highly complex and rarely seen "Monkeywrench" effect.
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#215 Postby Brent » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:40 pm

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#216 Postby Fego » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:41 pm

Ok, ok, ok. where is the center?! :?:
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#217 Postby Nimbus » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:41 pm

There is a new burst of convection over the SW center but that seems way down around 17N now?
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#218 Postby JonathanBelles » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:41 pm

only 45 mph per the nhc11p
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#219 Postby Damar91 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:42 pm

I'm not sure where they get there wnw motion. If you "connect the dots" for the last 3 advisories it is just about due west.
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#220 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:42 pm

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