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Kidnapped newborn in Missouri found safe; woman arrested

#1 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:37 pm

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#2 Postby O Town » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:09 pm

Yeah I saw that on the news. Another sick and deranged person. Obviously desperate for a baby. I hope the mother fully recovers and they can find that innocent baby. :(
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#3 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:35 pm

I hope that women goes to jail for a very long time. :grr:
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#4 Postby rainstorm » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:32 am

ok, i dont want to appear insensitive, but is it possible this was a self inflicted wound?
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#5 Postby TampaSteve » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:17 am

rainstorm wrote:ok, i dont want to appear insensitive, but is it possible this was a self inflicted wound?


Okay...she slit her own throat...right... :lol:

Plus...the baby is still missing...
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#6 Postby TampaSteve » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:25 am

From the article...

The attacker had gained entry to the family’s home in Lonedell, about 45 miles south of St. Louis, on Friday afternoon by asking to use Stephanie Ochsenbine’s telephone. Ochsenbine’s boyfriend and Abby’s father, James Woods, was at work at the time, police said.


The woman probably staked out the house, waiting for the mother to be alone...and you NEVER, EVER let a stranger into your house to "use the telephone"!!! That's the oldest trick in the books! If someone claims an emergency, then tell them (through the door) that you are calling 911 and help is on its way. A woman home alone with two young children should NEVER open the door for anyone she doesn't know...and she should have a gun, too...kept out of the reach of the children, of course.
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#7 Postby rainstorm » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:53 am

but again, we only know all this from the mother, right? and yes, it wouldnt be the first self-inflicted wound a person did to themselves. remember the black guy that nabbed susan smith's kids?

i am very suspicious of the amount of time she was supposedly unconcious before she reported the crime. it may have been an intruder, it may not have been
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#8 Postby Brent » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:08 am

rainstorm wrote:but again, we only know all this from the mother, right? and yes, it wouldnt be the first self-inflicted wound a person did to themselves. remember the black guy that nabbed susan smith's kids?

i am very suspicious of the amount of time she was supposedly unconcious before she reported the crime. it may have been an intruder, it may not have been


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#9 Postby Miss Mary » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:12 am

I think I know where rainstorm/Helen is coming from. Anymore I'm not inclined to believe the parents, as I once did. I'm not saying she isn't telling the truth but rather waiting for more info to come out. Deranged women have done heinous acts like this before, just to raise an infant themselves: remember the young woman whose baby was cut right out of her, while still pregnant? So it is possible she is telling the truth. I'm just not quick to believe what I am told, not since so many stories in local and national missing children reports turn out to be tragic (parents responsible).
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#10 Postby rainstorm » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:22 am

she may be telling the truth, she may not be. another thing. i would assume based on the mothers story that she got a very good look at the woman that attacked her.

have the police released a description of the attacker? one clue to look at in these cases is how precise a description the mother gave. if the description is vague and general then she may be lying.

if the police had a detailed description then i would assume they would release it so the attacked could be caught.
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#11 Postby TexasStooge » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:38 am

Oh, geez!! What's wrong with some people?!?! There is a such thing as adopting a baby, instead of taking someone else's
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#12 Postby sunny » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:41 am

Maybe we should wait for the police to SAY that the mother is a suspect before we convict her.
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#13 Postby GalvestonDuck » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:55 am

rainstorm wrote:but again, we only know all this from the mother, right? and yes, it wouldnt be the first self-inflicted wound a person did to themselves. remember the black guy that nabbed susan smith's kids?

i am very suspicious of the amount of time she was supposedly unconcious before she reported the crime. it may have been an intruder, it may not have been


Key word, Helen -- wound. Not wounds.

"Ochsenbine was stabbed several times and her throat was slashed."

She very well could have been unconscious for a while if she lost a lot of blood. I don't find reason, yet, to suspect the mother.
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#14 Postby rainstorm » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:38 pm

well, if she went unconcious for loss of blood, why did she wake up?

i have no proof of anything. it may well be an attack, it may not be. i always find it suspicious when the situation is like it is here
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#15 Postby sunny » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:46 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:
rainstorm wrote:but again, we only know all this from the mother, right? and yes, it wouldnt be the first self-inflicted wound a person did to themselves. remember the black guy that nabbed susan smith's kids?

i am very suspicious of the amount of time she was supposedly unconcious before she reported the crime. it may have been an intruder, it may not have been


Key word, Helen -- wound. Not wounds.

"Ochsenbine was stabbed several times and her throat was slashed."

She very well could have been unconscious for a while if she lost a lot of blood. I don't find reason, yet, to suspect the mother.


You go Duckie :D
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#16 Postby rainstorm » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:46 pm

does anyone know if she provided a detailed description to the cops?
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#17 Postby george_r_1961 » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:53 pm

Ochsenbine was stabbed several times and her throat was slashed."



I think that pretty much rules out a self inflicted injury. JMHO
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#18 Postby Brent » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:07 pm

rainstorm wrote:does anyone know if she provided a detailed description to the cops?


The abductor is described as a Caucasian female in her late thirties or early forties. She is 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs about 200 lbs.

At the time of the abduction, the woman was wearing a baseball cap with a worn bill, with dark hair tucked under the hat along with a grey or brown T-shirt and blue jean shorts.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.a ... yid=103767
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#19 Postby sunny » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:33 pm

Brent wrote:
rainstorm wrote:does anyone know if she provided a detailed description to the cops?


The abductor is described as a Caucasian female in her late thirties or early forties. She is 5 feet 8 inches tall and weighs about 200 lbs.

At the time of the abduction, the woman was wearing a baseball cap with a worn bill, with dark hair tucked under the hat along with a grey or brown T-shirt and blue jean shorts.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.a ... yid=103767


Thanks Brent.
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#20 Postby rainstorm » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:59 pm

thanks for the info
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