Tropical Storm Helene,Analysis,Sat Pics,Models Thread #3

[MiamiensisWx]

Her inner core looks ragged again this morning. Looks like Helene has hit her peak and is starting the northern turn taking her out to sea. Gordon was such a better looking Hurricane at his peak with a perfect cleared out eye and that buzzsaw look. Farewell Helene and good riddance. You sure were a bore to look at and plot. Now lets see if we can get a more interesting storm closer to home in the next couple of weeks.

Keep it in perspective. Look at 1983's and 1997's activity in the Atlantic. In fact, both of those years had just one major hurricane and fewer than ten named storms.

If this year was like 1983 or 1997, this board might be nearly out of business for some periods.

You are really pushing my temper over the edge.

[terstorm1012]

Helene was one of the more interesting storms to track...especially watching the numerical models swing back and forth before they matched up with what the synoptics were trying to say all along.

Great fun IMO.

[Nimbus]

Actually I would prefer to see her a few degrees further north in a hurry to recurve. Almost looks like ridging out in front of that trough could cause her to dilly dally around and delay the forecast the way Gordon did.

[SouthFloridawx]

Her inner core looks ragged again this morning. Looks like Helene has hit her peak and is starting the northern turn taking her out to sea. Gordon was such a better looking Hurricane at his peak with a perfect cleared out eye and that buzzsaw look. Farewell Helene and good riddance. You sure were a bore to look at and plot. Now lets see if we can get a more interesting storm closer to home in the next couple of weeks.

Are you freaking serious?
Why would you want one closer to home?
This season has been turning out just fine with all the fish.

[curtadams]

Just ignore comments like the last one by Marcane. You're not going to change his mind and the hurricanes don't give a toot what he thinks.

[tgenius]

Camp "B" people in the house!!

[gatorcane]

it doesn't appear Helene is moving very much this evening....

[SouthFloridawx]

Looks to be moving right along to me.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t3/loop-rb.html

[MGC]

Helene looks to be becoming a little better organized this morning. Looks like an eye is about to become visible. 5am advisory might bump the winds up a notch. A few more days and Helene will be history.....MGC

[StrongWind]

A couple of questions if ya'll don't mind:

The trough that is now affecting Helene eased up and slowed before getting this far east. What would happen if a huge trough like this was earlier slammed full speed into a cat 3+ hurricane? Would the 'cane just go poff? Would the leading edge over-shoot the core leaving the 'cane to wallow around?

There also looks like a high barreling eastward across the SE US. Will it weaken the trough when it gets to it in the next day or so?

Thanks.

[wxmann_91]

A couple of questions if ya'll don't mind:

The trough that is now affecting Helene eased up and slowed before getting this far east. What would happen if a huge trough like this was earlier slammed full speed into a cat 3+ hurricane? Would the 'cane just go poff? Would the leading edge over-shoot the core leaving the 'cane to wallow around?

There also looks like a high barreling eastward across the SE US. Will it weaken the trough when it gets to it in the next day or so?

Thanks.

1) If a huge trough slammed full-speed into a major hurricane, the major hurricane would die and get deflected northward. On the other hand, a weaker trough that goes north, that's when the recurvature vs. bend back west thing gets tough.

2) The high barreling toward the SE U.S. is part of the trough that is steering Helene. Remember: ridges follow troughs (think of troughs and ridges as sinusoidal waves) and the general mid-latitude flow from east to west allow troughs to weaken ridges to the east while a ridge builds in behind a trough. Ridges don't weaken troughs usually if they are building in behind one.

[Meso]

haha, lol @ the bams http://www.sfwmd.gov/org/omd/ops/weathe ... orm_08.gif

Obviously not, but imagine that were to happen,wonder where it would make landfall.

[gatorcane]

haha, lol @ the bams http://www.sfwmd.gov/org/omd/ops/weathe ... orm_08.gif

Obviously not, but imagine that were to happen,wonder where it would make landfall.

Maybe it will make landfall in the Cape Verde Islands and go full circle

[Thunder44]

haha, lol @ the bams http://www.sfwmd.gov/org/omd/ops/weathe ... orm_08.gif

Obviously not, but imagine that were to happen,wonder where it would make landfall.

Maybe it will make landfall in the Cape Verde Islands and go full circle

The ECMWF last night actually showed Helene going that direction. I don't believe it though.

[storms in NC]

You all would crap LOL

[Thunder44]

haha, lol @ the bams http://www.sfwmd.gov/org/omd/ops/weathe ... orm_08.gif

Obviously not, but imagine that were to happen,wonder where it would make landfall.

Maybe it will make landfall in the Cape Verde Islands and go full circle

The ECMWF last night actually showed Helene going that direction. I don't believe it though.

Now look at who joins the fun. The 12z UKMET :

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ukmtc2.c ... =Animation

[fci]

Now look at who joins the fun. The 12z UKMET :

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ukmtc2.c ... =Animation

That would sure not bode well for the Azores either.

[Thatsmrhurricane]

Not to mention, that it would be one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

Off topic: Has that ever happened before? Besides Ivan doing it off the EC, has a hurricane ever looped this much and then tracked back over the Atlantic W?

Can you imagine if the I storm were to form and the H storm follows?

I could not find one that did this.

[artist]

Jeanne didn't travel that far north but she made a couple of loops.

[hcane27]