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#21 Postby kevin » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:52 pm

rainstorm wrote:lets look at this logically. lets say im the manager of cracker barrell. i tell the employees to ignore blacks so i can get sued, get fired and be held up for national ridicule. doesnt make sense.


You are presuming both hindsight and rational action. Neither of which should be assumed. People are not individually rational actors, they do not make good choices reliably.
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#22 Postby george_r_1961 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:53 pm

rainstorm wrote:lets look at this logically. lets say im the manager of cracker barrell. i tell the employees to ignore blacks so i can get sued, get fired and be held up for national ridicule. doesnt make sense.



No one said it was management telling employees to do this. Nonetheless management is responsible for the conduct of their on duty employees.
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#23 Postby rainstorm » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:02 pm

and their is no proof any racism occured either. it could also be people complaining because of a racial "chip" on thier shoulder. ive gotten lousy service on occasion. was it because im white, female, or was it because i just got lousy service. when al sharpton gets involved i become suspicious. sharpton is hardly a paragon of racial virtue. remember tawanna brawley?
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#24 Postby gtalum » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:17 pm

rainstorm wrote:and their is no proof any racism occured either.


That's what the courts are for. If there is enough evidence to convince a jury that the store treats blacks differently than whites, the plaintiff will win. Otherwise she will lose.
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#25 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:42 pm

gtalum wrote:
rainstorm wrote:and their is no proof any racism occured either.


That's what the courts are for. If there is enough evidence to convince a jury that the store treats blacks differently than whites, the plaintiff will win. Otherwise she will lose.



And vice versa.
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#26 Postby jasons2k » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:54 pm

I'm white and I've had the exact same thing happen to me in a restuarant - nto due to discrimination - but b/c the waitstaff was confused as to which "section" our table was in (who was supposed to wait on it).

I worked as a waiter in college. It can easily happen.

I think it's pretty telling that the manager offered them a free meal but they said they didn't want to eat. If they didn't, why the heck were they in a restuarant?

And why can't people accept an apology anymore?
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#27 Postby Miss Mary » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:14 pm

Hey, just thought of something - try just being with someone who is consistently rude and demanding to a wait staff and you'll never get to eat. My mother is a real pain to dine with and when she takes her family out to her favorite local restaurants, I swear we all wonder if we're going to eat decent food or even hot food! What we end up doing is smiling, ordering promptly, thanking them for our drinks and food and not asking for special requests. And oh yeah, we tip! My mom leaves a buck. A lousy buck! We've actually taken detours after a restroom break to apologize for our mother's rude behavior in the past. Yes apologies go a long way - on the other end.

Back to the discussion at hand.
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#28 Postby rainstorm » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:33 pm

there seems to be a pattern here. they seem to go from one chain to the next claiming racism. hasnt this been claimed to occur at denny's, I-hop, shoneys and several others?
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#29 Postby george_r_1961 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:34 pm

rainstorm wrote:there seems to be a pattern here. they seem to go from one chain to the next claiming racism. hasnt this been claimed to occur at denny's, I-hop, shoneys and several others?



Who is "they"????
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#30 Postby Cookiely » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:38 pm

My aunt and I waited at a restaurant for twenty minutes the other day and the restaurant was only half full. I assumed from the wait that they were short handed. The staff certainly had their hands full. I didn't get paranoid because we had to wait to be seated or wait for our food (a long time) or wait for extra condiments (I finally raided another table). Even after all the difficulties, I tipped well because the staff were doing the best they could. Sometimes people jump to conclusions when the reality is far different. If it does turn out they have a policy of racism, then I say throw the book at them and make them pay big time.
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#31 Postby george_r_1961 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:40 pm

Cookiely wrote:My aunt and I waited at a restaurant for twenty minutes the other day and the restaurant was only half full. I assumed from the wait that they were short handed. The staff certainly had their hands full. I didn't get paranoid because we had to wait to be seated or wait for our food (a long time) or wait for extra condiments (I finally raided another table). Even after all the difficulties, I tipped well because the staff were doing the best they could. Sometimes people jump to conclusions when the reality is far different. If it does turn out they have a policy of racism, then I say throw the book at them and make them pay big time.


Thats the point i tried to make earlier. Somehow it got lost.
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#32 Postby rainstorm » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:45 pm

george_r_1961 wrote:
rainstorm wrote:there seems to be a pattern here. they seem to go from one chain to the next claiming racism. hasnt this been claimed to occur at denny's, I-hop, shoneys and several others?



Who is "they"????


since you asked. some people refer to them as "racial shakedown artists".
they go from one big company to the next, set them up with charges of racism, then shake them down by threatening huge lawsuits and massive court costs and force them to settle . then 'they" move on to the next big company and the process starts anew. jesse jackson has become famous for this
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#33 Postby george_r_1961 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:46 pm

rainstorm wrote:
george_r_1961 wrote:
rainstorm wrote:there seems to be a pattern here. they seem to go from one chain to the next claiming racism. hasnt this been claimed to occur at denny's, I-hop, shoneys and several others?



Who is "they"????


since you asked. some people refer to them as "racial shakedown artists".
they go from one big company to the next, set them up with charges of racism, then shake them down by threatening huge lawsuits and massive court costs and force them to settle . then 'they" move on to the next big company and the process starts anew. jesse jackson has become famous for this


Where are u getting this from????
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#34 Postby rainstorm » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:13 pm

it happens quite frequently. dont you notice these charges of racism sound exactly the same as charges thrown at denny's? i-hop? shoney's?

jesse jackson goes from company to company claiming racism and getting big out of court settlements such as at coke, microsoft, gm, then moves on to the next company.

i have no doubt that once the lawsuits are settled at cracker barrel, bennigans or some other chain will get hit with the exact same charges. does racism exist? no doubt. do people exist who profit off false claims of racism? no doubt.
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#35 Postby george_r_1961 » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:15 pm

rainstorm wrote:it happens quite frequently. dont you notice these charges of racism sound exactly the same as charges thrown at denny's? i-hop? shoney's?

jesse jackson goes from company to company claiming racism and getting big out of court settlements such as at coke, microsoft, gm, then moves on to the next company.

i have no doubt that once the lawsuits are settled at cracker barrel, bennigans or some other chain will get hit with the exact same charges


I also have no doubt that racism is a lot more prevalent than most people would like to believe.
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#36 Postby rainstorm » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:38 pm

i actually disagree. i feel the legitimate claims of the original civil rights icons like martin luther king have been hijacked by money hungry charlatans like jackson. big companies with deep pockets have been the target of get rich quick types for centuries. chicken heads in french fries. mice in foods planted by frauds. a woman who claims to have been trampled in a wal-mart stampede at christmas. i think a comapny has to be totally idiotic these days to practice racism, and i find it more than odd that "they' seem to go down the list of big restaurant chains, one at a time, with the exact same charges.

racism has and always will exist
people who profit off fraud and lies have and always will exist
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#37 Postby HollynLA » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:16 am

This is ridiculous! Could it also be that the waitress wasn't the best waitress for the job and just forgot or skipped that table by accident. I've had similar instances several times in restaurant where we had to ask another employee to find out waitress/waitor before we ever received service. However, when similar instances happen to a black person, it is called racism and a lawsuit is filed.

They were offered a free meal but didn't take it.

I guess a lawsuit if fine when a "minority" doesn't get top notch service. I mean, obviously it was due to their skin color and white people never deal with this. :roll: :roll:
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#38 Postby GrimReaper » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:40 am

I was witness to a TRUE act of racism in So. Carolina: I walked into a smaller corner type store about ten minutes before closing, got a few things and went to the check out. An elderly black lady was in front of me and politely asked the cashier if she could separate her stuff into two orders because one was for her daughter. The white cashier began yelling at her that they were about to close and that she was stupid for wanting to do this, and actually refused to separate the order. I was embarassed by the cashier's rudeness to this little old lady. But I was absolutely ASTOUNDED when I went up to check out, apologizing for coming in at the last minute.... and the cashier responded " you're ok honey, I just don't like "those people" thinking they can run me around like that." I told her she was an ignorant fool and left the stuff there and walked out...THAT was racism... and it hurt me so bad to see it for real I cried, I wanted to hug that black woman and tell her that everybody doesn't act that way!!! Do I believe that this Cracker Barrel comnplaint is real racism.......NO WAY!!!
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#39 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:16 pm

rainstorm does make a good point. Al Sharpton and his racism is alive band could be going from restaurant to restaurant just to file lawsuits. If that is what is happening, then I hope they get busted because I already know what they are. Jesse Jackson and Farrakhan too.
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#40 Postby Cookiely » Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:42 pm

GrimReaper wrote:I was witness to a TRUE act of racism in So. Carolina: I walked into a smaller corner type store about ten minutes before closing, got a few things and went to the check out. An elderly black lady was in front of me and politely asked the cashier if she could separate her stuff into two orders because one was for her daughter. The white cashier began yelling at her that they were about to close and that she was stupid for wanting to do this, and actually refused to separate the order. I was embarassed by the cashier's rudeness to this little old lady. But I was absolutely ASTOUNDED when I went up to check out, apologizing for coming in at the last minute.... and the cashier responded " you're ok honey, I just don't like "those people" thinking they can run me around like that." I told her she was an ignorant fool and left the stuff there and walked out...THAT was racism... and it hurt me so bad to see it for real I cried, I wanted to hug that black woman and tell her that everybody doesn't act that way!!! Do I believe that this Cracker Barrel comnplaint is real racism.......NO WAY!!!

Something similar happened to me back in 1976 in Birmingham Alabama where we lived for five years. My mother and I went into a department store to shop. The store was empty and there were two cashiers talking together at the check out counter. My mother and I waited and waited to check out. I said excuse me we are ready to check out and pay for our merchandise. They glanced our way and went back to talking to each other like we didn't exist. My mother is half Sicilian and half Cuban and I believe to this day that is why we weren't waited on. At the time I didn't really know what a racist was. I thought they were a little nuts. We were new to the community and had no idea of the history of Birmingham. On a good note, they were the only two people we ever had problems with. I loved Birmingham and my parents and I met some truly wonderful people. I miss the mountains and the winters. Do I think the store had a policy of racism. NO! Do I think the two women belonged to a prominent ugly organization who held rallies in Jefferson county. YES.
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