Kids these days!

[Ptarmigan]

kids are not out of control, parents dont know how to adapt to the new "age" of kids.

True to a certain extent. The parents are really at fault if you think about it. They are not being parents. Kids are asking for boundries. When I was a kid, I did not run all that wild. You know why, my parents set rules and boundries. They watched me like a hawk.

[Lindaloo]

kids are not out of control, parents dont know how to adapt to the new "age" of kids.

OMGOSH! That is not true. My 16 year old will tell you different. Nice try to turn things around Patimagan.

[JonathanBelles]

i am a 16 year old

[Lindaloo]

I will wait until the adults post in here before I reply anymore then. lol.

[Ptarmigan]

OMGOSH! That is not true. My 16 year old will tell you different. Nice try to turn things around Patimagan.

Just call me Ptarmy.

[CajunMama]

kids are not out of control, parents dont know how to adapt to the new "age" of kids.

You really hit a sore spot with me on that. I guess your parents didn't teach you to respect adults. I will not bend to the will of a new "age" child. I am the adult and I make the rules. You live in my house for which i pay for, you eat the food for which i pay for. You use the electricity for which i pay for. Who paid for the computer your using? You should start paying rent, gasoline, utilities to your parents. See how much fun it is in the adult world. I'm sick of this "me" generation. Many of you are nothing but spoiled babies.

[Yarrah]

Many of you are nothing but spoiled babies.

But who spoiled them?

[JonathanBelles]

kids are not out of control, parents dont know how to adapt to the new "age" of kids.

You really hit a sore spot with me on that. I guess your parents didn't teach you to respect adults. I will not bend to the will of a new "age" child. I am the adult and I make the rules. You live in my house for which i pay for, you eat the food for which i pay for. You use the electricity for which i pay for. Who paid for the computer your using? You should start paying rent, gasoline, utilities to your parents. See how much fun it is in the adult world. I'm sick of this "me" generation. Many of you are nothing but spoiled babies.

i do pay gas. i do bay electric, i do pay my food. i do pay for water.

[Opal storm]

What do you guys mean kids today are out of control?Aren't kids always out of control?My parents have always told me stories about stupid things they did when they were kids,I don't think what kids are doing today is anything new.Kids will always be out of control...because they are kids.They'll eventually grow out of it,especially if they have good parents that keep a watchful eye over what they do and have good discipline for their actions like my parents did.

[JonathanBelles]

What do you guys mean kids today are out of control?Aren't kids always out of control?My parents have always told me stories about stupid things they did when they were kids,I don't think what kids are doing today is anything new.Kids will always be out of control...because they are kids.They'll eventually grow out of it,especially if they have good parents that keep a watchful eye over what they do and have good discipline for their actions like my parents did.

thank you!

[Lindaloo]

What do you guys mean kids today are out of control?Aren't kids always out of control?My parents have always told me stories about stupid things they did when they were kids,I don't think what kids are doing today is anything new.Kids will always be out of control...because they are kids.They'll eventually grow out of it,especially if they have good parents that keep a watchful eye over what they do and have good discipline for their actions like my parents did.

Your parents shot teachers and students? Your parents were drug users?

I do not know what kind of parents you had but I knew better than to step out of line. I followed the rules and if I got in trouble at school I suffered the consequences.

You just contradicted yourself BTW.

fact, you pay all those bills? Why?

Good post Cajunmama.

[Bobbie Lee]

Which is why good old fashioned spankings are needed once again. Nothing like a nice leather belt behind an old fashioned woodshed to keep a child in line

I'm with you on this, Derek. When I was a kid, we got our butts smacked when we deserved it. I don't mean viscious beating -- just a parent's large hand on a child's small behind. Nowadays a parent can get thrown in jail for a simple spanking. The kids know it and threaten the parents with calling the cops on them. These same kids have zero respect for anybody. I've seen it myself -- a mother and daughter screaming at each other, with the daughter taunting the mother that she'd call the police if a hand was laid on her.

That girl was such a terror, I wanted to smack her myself.

[Lindaloo]

Many of you are nothing but spoiled babies.

But who spoiled them?

People that took away parents privileges to discipline their children, that's who.

Exactly Bobby Lee.

[Regit]

When I was in school we had paddling for fighting. There was a fight about once a week.

By the 90's, paddling was still in place in the local schools. The local high school had over 200 fights in a 180-day school year. The school actually closed one day because of violence.

The next year, the district hired a principal who got rid of paddling and instituted a zero tolerance policy. If there was a fight, both teens were taken to the sheriff's department and dealt with there. That year there were two fights. During his four-year tenure there were seven.

Zero tolerance was not adopted for fighting. It was for guns and drugs. And furthermore, zero tolerance was not adopted overnight by a district. Principals do not have the power to say whether or not they will use zero tolerance.


wxman... innocent children get caught up in the zero tolerance all the time. Although you may not be one of the bad teens, they are out there.

LoL

He called his policy "zero tolerance." This was in or about 1993. And yes, a prinicpal can adopt policies and call them whatever he/she pleases.

Um no they cannot. They have to follow rules set in place by the superintendent and the school board. Does the principal write the student handbook? no. A principal can only recommend expulsion. The principal is not even in control of the curriculum.

Thanks for your input, drawing on your vast experience in the South Carolina Department of Education.

This principal was hired because of his kick ***, take names way of administrating. The first time he sent a student to jail, the board was not expecting it and it was actually on the 6:00 news as no student in the area had ever been arrested for a fight that didn't result in injury (as you can imagine, the parents were furious). While there are policies set forth by the board, a principal can put policies into place that do not violate the board's policy. Granted, this authority is given by the board, but it is some authority nonetheless.

But none of this has a thing to do with the topic.

Why not simply address the fact that this prinicpal did away with corporal punishment and cut violence in the school immediately by 99%?

[Lindaloo]

Okay, I will bring this up to my cousin who was Teacher of the Year and to my Uncle. Wonder which one will laugh at me first.

I think corporal punishment should stand and the parents should be able to discipline those fighting kids without fear of them going to jail.

[Bobbie Lee]

Why not simply address the fact that this prinicpal did away with corporal punishment and cut violence in the school immediately by 99%?

I like the idea of calling the sheriff for such disruptions! Ya gotta "nip it in the bud," just like Barney Fife said.

Edited to acknowledge and agree with Linda's post -- The parents should have first authority over their kids.

[george_r_1961]

A little old fashioned discipline would solve a lot of problems with todays kids. Parents are so paranoid that a spanking will ruin them for life.

My parents have always told me stories about stupid things they did when they were kids

Yea my parents told me what they did too. What they did didnt involve drug dealing, guns, murder, and arson. When they did break the rules they were dealt with promptly. Both were outstanding citizens. And both were that way because of their strict upbringing...they told me this! So please no one tell me that spanking a kid is gonna give em post traumatic stress syndrome. You can sure as hell get that from being shot on the street though.

[wxmann_91]

I love this discussion

It's all the kids' fault.

And who says kids these days don't respect their parents? I definitely do and are thankful for all they provide me. I bet I'm not the only one.

[JonathanBelles]

What do you guys mean kids today are out of control?Aren't kids always out of control?My parents have always told me stories about stupid things they did when they were kids,I don't think what kids are doing today is anything new.Kids will always be out of control...because they are kids.They'll eventually grow out of it,especially if they have good parents that keep a watchful eye over what they do and have good discipline for their actions like my parents did.

Your parents shot teachers and students? Your parents were drug users?

I do not know what kind of parents you had but I knew better than to step out of line. I followed the rules and if I got in trouble at school I suffered the consequences.

You just contradicted yourself BTW.

fact, you pay all those bills? Why?

Good post Cajunmama.

yes i pay all those bills, why? because i want to and because most kids my age do in my area.

[wxmann_91]

So please no one tell me that spanking a kid is gonna give em post traumatic stress syndrome.

Well I will. My mom was raised up through frequent spankings and brutal whippings.