Kids these days!

[Regit]

I love this discussion

It's all the kids' fault.

Well, that's the theme of many a discussion today. You should simply react to the problem without tracing it back to its source and dealing with it there. Some who is proactive and tries to prevent something is a weenie.

[george_r_1961]

So please no one tell me that spanking a kid is gonna give em post traumatic stress syndrome.

Well I will. My mom was raised up through frequent spankings and brutal whippings.

Im sorry to hear that. There is a hell of a difference between punishment and abuse though.

[wxmann_91]

So please no one tell me that spanking a kid is gonna give em post traumatic stress syndrome.

Well I will. My mom was raised up through frequent spankings and brutal whippings.

Im sorry to hear that. There is a hell of a difference between punishment and abuse though.

Very true.

Another thing - a punishment does not have to be a beating to have effect. I agree with discipline. I do not agree with spanking as a part of that.

The main point though I've been getting across is that we kids are not, to quote some of the comments in this thread, "spoiled babies", "tyrants", "getting worse", "rebellious", etc.

[JonathanBelles]

So please no one tell me that spanking a kid is gonna give em post traumatic stress syndrome.

Well I will. My mom was raised up through frequent spankings and brutal whippings.

Im sorry to hear that. There is a hell of a difference between punishment and abuse though.

Very true.

Another thing - a punishment does not have to be a beating to have effect. I agree with discipline. I do not agree with spanking as a part of that.

i ll agree with that. time out works just as well

[george_r_1961]

Another thing - a punishment does not have to be a beating to have effect. I agree with discipline. I do not agree with spanking as a part of that.

I do understand the reasons for your feelings on this.

[Regit]

So please no one tell me that spanking a kid is gonna give em post traumatic stress syndrome.

Well I will. My mom was raised up through frequent spankings and brutal whippings.

Im sorry to hear that. There is a hell of a difference between punishment and abuse though.

Very true.

Another thing - a punishment does not have to be a beating to have effect. I agree with discipline. I do not agree with spanking as a part of that.

i ll agree with that. time out works just as well

I have to disagree with you, but not in the way you might think.

Studies have shown that non-violent punishments have MUCH better success than spanking.

I know people love to throw out science in favor of tradition, but if we stuck with tradition, we'd only live to 38.

[Opal storm]

What do you guys mean kids today are out of control?Aren't kids always out of control?My parents have always told me stories about stupid things they did when they were kids,I don't think what kids are doing today is anything new.Kids will always be out of control...because they are kids.They'll eventually grow out of it,especially if they have good parents that keep a watchful eye over what they do and have good discipline for their actions like my parents did.

Your parents shot teachers and students? Your parents were drug users?

I do not know what kind of parents you had but I knew better than to step out of line. I followed the rules and if I got in trouble at school I suffered the consequences.

You just contradicted yourself BTW.

fact, you pay all those bills? Why?

Good post Cajunmama.

Uh...no my parents did not shoot teachers and take drugs ( ),I am talking about typical stupid childish behavior,and they got punished just like they punished me.You want to know what kind of parents I have?The damn best parents ever,it's because of them I'm where I am today.Unlike most parents today my parents kept me in line and taught me how to be respectful to others and not fall into the bad crowds.

I was just pointing out that kids will always be kids, I was not suggesting in any way that kids are being punished too harshly or that their crimes should be taken lightly because they are just kids.

[CajunMama]

I'd love to view this thread in about 15 years or so and see how some views have changed.

[Regit]

The whole root of this problem has been uncovered.

We see a teenager on the thread speak up and be dismissed simply for being a teenager.

How dare a child have an adult opinion? It's a CHILD!

Actually, no. Once at age 12, a person is capable of reasoning exactly the same as an adult, except for some who never reach this developmental plateau.

Children are treated as inferior by many people. You can see it in the way people will openly talk about a child right in front of them as if they're deaf.

Why not try treating your child like an advanced species that is capable of using reason? Animals are conditioned through pain very effectively because they don't have the ability to reason. A child does have the ability to reason.

Try treating your child with a little respect from the moment they're born and you will, almost without exception, have that respect returned.

[wxmann_91]

THANK YOU REGIT!!!!!!!!

I wish my dad would know that. And same with some of the members on this forum.

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[JonathanBelles]

Thank you regit!

[Regit]

THANK YOU REGIT!!!!!!!!

I wish my dad would know that. And same with some of the members on this forum, an example being a particular one who wants to ban all members under 18.

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What makes it even worse is the hypocrisy. The same people who think teenagers can't make good decisions are the same ones who yell "fry them" when one commits murder.

Their reasoning is that "If you're old enough to do the crime, you can accept the punishment."

This means that they believe murders are the most advanced of all teenagers. In other words, when a child knocks off his parents, he's a prodigy.

[CajunMama]

Regit, so you believe that all teenagers are "capable of reasoning exactly the same as an adult". So then why are some states wanting to raise the age that a teenager can get their license? Why did the drinking age go from 18 to 21? Why is it a crime for someone to have a sexual relationship with someone under the age of 18?

[Lindaloo]

I need to send Regit my 20 year old.

Regit, do you have any kids?

[Lindaloo]

THANK YOU REGIT!!!!!!!!

I wish my dad would know that. And same with some of the members on this forum, an example being a particular one who wants to ban all members under 18.

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Actually for a teen, I think you have a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the tropics. You have been very helpful this season. But, when you make accusations like the one above, we as moderators, must ask... who are you referring to?

Just remember, you had to have permission to even post here.

[AussieMark]

The whole root of this problem has been uncovered.

We see a teenager on the thread speak up and be dismissed simply for being a teenager.

How dare a child have an adult opinion? It's a CHILD!

Actually, no. Once at age 12, a person is capable of reasoning exactly the same as an adult, except for some who never reach this developmental plateau.

Children are treated as inferior by many people. You can see it in the way people will openly talk about a child right in front of them as if they're deaf.

Why not try treating your child like an advanced species that is capable of using reason? Animals are conditioned through pain very effectively because they don't have the ability to reason. A child does have the ability to reason.

Try treating your child with a little respect from the moment they're born and you will, almost without exception, have that respect returned.

using this analogy a 12 yo could be sentenced same way as a 20 yo since they have the same mind as a adult as u claim.

[wxmann_91]

THANK YOU REGIT!!!!!!!!

I wish my dad would know that. And same with some of the members on this forum, an example being a particular one who wants to ban all members under 18.

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Actually for a teen, I think you have a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the tropics. You have been very helpful this season. But, when you make accusations like the one above, we as moderators, must ask... who are you referring to?

Just remember, you had to have permission to even post here.

Thank you. I don't want to release any names since this is a public thread.

I'll try to dig up the link of the post and then I'll pm you...

[Opal storm]

A little old fashioned discipline would solve a lot of problems with todays kids. Parents are so paranoid that a spanking will ruin them for life.

You know...spanking is not the only way to set a kid straight,there are many other (less physical) disciplinary actions that can be taken and are just as effective.I'm not saying I'm against spanking,I just get irritated when people bash other parents for not doing it.If the parents don't want to beat their kids then that doesn't mean their bad parents,they just use different styles of discipline.I was never spanked when I was a kid and yet I was well behaved kid.

[Regit]

Regit, so you believe that all teenagers are "capable of reasoning exactly the same as an adult".

This isn't open for serious debate. The Period of Formal Operations (ability to think and perform abstractly) begins at ages 11-15, but usually 12. This is why the threshold for charging a minor as an adult is generally set at 12. However, some people never enter this stage. The keyword there is NEVER. So, getting older does them no good.

So then why are some states wanting to raise the age that a teenager can get their license? Why did the drinking age go from 18 to 21?

This is partly connected to a feeling of invinicibility. As you get older, you become more aware of your own impending mortality. Making a stupid decision doesn't demonstrate a lack of ability to determine right from wrong.

Why is it a crime for someone to have a sexual relationship with someone under the age of 18?

In MOST states (and most western societies) it's 16, but regardless, this is a number chosen because of post-victorian social standards. There were generally no ages of consent a few centuries ago. Finally it was set at 12 in parts of Europe. It crept up into Victorian times and eventually came to settle at 16. There was no research done to pick this number, it's just a feel-good number.

The fact that this number was chosen decades ago has no consequence in the study of Psychology.

Regit, do you have any kids?

Biological no, but have had guardianship and have, all totaled, had hundreds of children under my care during my life.

Additionally, I've studied child development.

using this analogy a 12 yo could be sentenced same way as a 20 yo since they have the same mind as a adult as u claim.

As I pointed out above, 12 is generally the cut-off age. It has gone as low as 11.

[Lindaloo]

A little old fashioned discipline would solve a lot of problems with todays kids. Parents are so paranoid that a spanking will ruin them for life.

You know...spanking is not the only way to set a kid straight,there are many other (less physical) disciplinary actions that can be taken and are just as effective.I'm not saying I'm against spanking,I just get irritated when people bash other parents for not doing it.If the parents don't want to beat their kids then that doesn't mean their bad parents,they just use different styles of discipline.I was never spanked when I was a kid and yet I was well behaved kid.

Who in this thread said anything about being against parents that do not spank their children? You throw that "beat" word around. No one said anything about beating a child. Beating and spanking are two totally different things. Beating is abuse, spanking is a form of discipline. I can't tell you how many times I have seen kids argue or smart off to their parents in public. Or them throwing temper tantrums in the middle of a grocery store. I guess you think you can just talk then?

By your own words, you go on to say that parents who choose not to beat their kids does not make them bad parents. But yet you use the word spanked in your last statement. Which is it? Beating or spanking.