The most amazing statistic...

[CrazyC83]

I think the most amazing statistic is the dropoff in storm damage from 2005 to 2006 - from catastrophic to calmer than normal for even a below-normal season. That will be best seen in the hurricane name lists...we go from a record 5 names retired (with decent cases for at least one other) to likely a list remaining intact for 2012.

The last time a list remained intact was 1997.

[hial2]

I think the most amazing statistic is the dropoff in storm damage from 2005 to 2006 - from catastrophic to calmer than normal for even a below-normal season. That will be best seen in the hurricane name lists...we go from a record 5 names retired (with decent cases for at least one other) to likely a list remaining intact for 2012.

The last time a list remained intact was 1997.

If anyone knows how, please forward this to CITiZENS INSURANCE in Florida!!!!

[Scott_inVA]

If anyone knows how, please forward this to CITiZENS INSURANCE in Florida!!!!

Citizens Property Insurance Corporation
Corporate Offices
101 North Monroe Street, Suite 1000
Tallahassee, Florida 32301

Very interesting there is not an email address on their site.




Scott

[AussieMark]

I think the most amazing statistic is the dropoff in storm damage from 2005 to 2006 - from catastrophic to calmer than normal for even a below-normal season. That will be best seen in the hurricane name lists...we go from a record 5 names retired (with decent cases for at least one other) to likely a list remaining intact for 2012.

The last time a list remained intact was 1997.

which storms u referring to here?

[Chacor]

I'd say he means Emily.

[Deputy Van Halen]

The last time a list remained intact was 1997

Interestingly, there are a couple EPac storms (John and Lane) that might be good candidates for retirement. If I read correctly, there has been only one name ever retired in EPac for the damage it did. Anybody have an idea how likely John and Lane are for retirement? Does the same group decide this that decides retirements in the Atlantic basin?

[CrazyC83]

The last time a list remained intact was 1997

Interestingly, there are a couple EPac storms (John and Lane) that might be good candidates for retirement. If I read correctly, there has been only one name ever retired in EPac for the damage it did. Anybody have an idea how likely John and Lane are for retirement? Does the same group decide this that decides retirements in the Atlantic basin?

Yes it is, and you are right, John and Lane have much better cases for retirement than any Atlantic storm. (Interestingly, the last time that no Atlantic storm was retired, an EPac storm - Pauline - was) Still, it is not a sure-fire bet that either of those two will be retired.

[Hurricanehink]

The last time a list remained intact was 1997

Interestingly, there are a couple EPac storms (John and Lane) that might be good candidates for retirement. If I read correctly, there has been only one name ever retired in EPac for the damage it did. Anybody have an idea how likely John and Lane are for retirement? Does the same group decide this that decides retirements in the Atlantic basin?

There's been a few EPAC names retired for their damage; Kenna in 2002, Pauline in 1997, Ismael in 1995, Fefa in 1991 (damage in Hawaii), and Fico in 1978 (damage in Hawaii), and two CPAC names were retired as well (Iniki and Iwa).

[Deputy Van Halen]

There's been a few EPAC names retired for their damage; Kenna in 2002, Pauline in 1997, Ismael in 1995, Fefa in 1991 (damage in Hawaii), and Fico in 1978 (damage in Hawaii), and two CPAC names were retired as well (Iniki and Iwa).

Looks like the NOAA folks dropped the ball on their website, then. They list only three retired EPac names, two of those being Adolph and Israel for political correctness reasons.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/B3.html

I used to think that they ran a tight ship there at the NOAA website, but they seem to screw up simple stuff like this with dismaying frequency.

[Hurricanehink]

There's been a few EPAC names retired for their damage; Kenna in 2002, Pauline in 1997, Ismael in 1995, Fefa in 1991 (damage in Hawaii), and Fico in 1978 (damage in Hawaii), and two CPAC names were retired as well (Iniki and Iwa).

Looks like the NOAA folks dropped the ball on their website, then. They list only three retired EPac names, two of those being Adolph and Israel for political correctness reasons.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/B3.html

I used to think that they ran a tight ship there at the NOAA website, but they seem to screw up simple stuff like this with dismaying frequency.

I just emailed them about that.

[AussieMark]

Pauline was a obvious candidate in 1997
when hundreds were killed by mudslides unleashed by Pauline around Acapulco and surrounding areas

[CrazyC83]

Bumping this thread, since the meeting is less than 2 weeks away. I still think the 2006 lists will remain intact in 2012.

[Aslkahuna]

Retirement of John and Lane will depend upon whether or not Mexico requests it. Although John brought heavy rains to SE AZ, there was no major damage in the US. John in 1994 was not retired despite being the (then) strongest ever storm to transit CPAC and the longest lived Tropical Cyclone on record-tracking from EPAC to CPAC into WPAC and then back into CPAC. One to wonder about is IOKE because although it did not hit anything in CPAC, it was a very historical storm-the first to develop and attain Cat 5 intensity in CPAC and the strongest ever in CPAC.

Steve

[Ptarmigan]

Retirement of John and Lane will depend upon whether or not Mexico requests it. Although John brought heavy rains to SE AZ, there was no major damage in the US. John in 1994 was not retired despite being the (then) strongest ever storm to transit CPAC and the longest lived Tropical Cyclone on record-tracking from EPAC to CPAC into WPAC and then back into CPAC. One to wonder about is IOKE because although it did not hit anything in CPAC, it was a very historical storm-the first to develop and attain Cat 5 intensity in CPAC and the strongest ever in CPAC.

Steve

I remember Typhoon Vamei formed near the equator in 2001 and Vamei got retired even though it did little damage.

[AussieMark]

I thought storms are retired based on impacts not intensity reasons?

i.e in 1997 Linda was not retired which was the strongest eastern pacific hurricane on record. But Pauline was due to the cataclysmic damage suffered around the mexican states of Oaxaca and Guerrero

[Derek Ortt]

you CANNOT make major insurance rate changes based upon a SINGLE season.

Rates are based upon the long term risk, not transient developments. I fail to see why this issue is so contentious, not sure if it is a lack of understanding, or just not wanting to pay a lot (which I fully understand as I can be tight with my wallet as well)

[Ptarmigan]

I thought storms are retired based on impacts not intensity reasons?

i.e in 1997 Linda was not retired which was the strongest eastern pacific hurricane on record. But Pauline was due to the cataclysmic damage suffered around the mexican states of Oaxaca and Guerrero

Generally, that is true. I know in the EPAC, they retired the name Adolf and Israel, but it was for political reasons. Adolf because of Adolf Hitler and Israel because of the nation of Israel.

[HurricaneBill]

I don't consider Israel a retired name as it was never used.

[Aslkahuna]

No it was never used even though it's a common enough male name in Mexico. We let the Arabs win that one. Some historical storms are also retired-the case above noting that Vamei was retired even though it did no serious damage but mainly because it is going to be the subject of resaerch for years given the fact that it was a typhoon at 1.5N.

Steve

[Ptarmigan]

No it was never used even though it's a common enough male name in Mexico. We let the Arabs win that one. Some historical storms are also retired-the case above noting that Vamei was retired even though it did no serious damage but mainly because it is going to be the subject of resaerch for years given the fact that it was a typhoon at 1.5N.

Steve

True. I knew quite a few Hispanics named Israel.