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#81 Postby Portastorm » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:09 pm

CaptinCrunch wrote:Boise City OK, is at 33 degrees which is in the OK Panhandle, that's a 30+rop over the past hr.


That's um .... that's not good. :eek:
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#82 Postby AL Chili Pepper » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:10 pm

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#83 Postby gboudx » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:10 pm

DFW is out:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
306 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007


...WINTER WEATHER WATCH ISSUED FOR THE NORTHWEST QUARTER SATURDAY
NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY...

.DISCUSSION...
VERY INTERESTING...BUT COMPLETE FORECAST TODAY. SEVERAL ARCTIC
FRONTS ARE STACKED UP TO OUR NORTH. THE 1ST FRONT IS ALREADY IN
SOUTHERN KANSAS WITH TEMPS IN THE 30S...20S AND TEENS. A 2ND FRONT
IS LOCATED ACROSS CENTRAL WYOMING AND SOUTH DAKOTA WITH TEMPS IN THE
SINGLE DIGITS AND NEGATIVE NUMBERS. THE 1ST FRONT ARRIVES THE NW CWA
FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND CLEARS THE SE CWA SATURDAY AFTERNOON LATE. THE
2ND FRONT WILL PUSH TROUGH SUNDAY AS THE UPPER TROUGH MOVES ACROSS
THE STATE.

STRONG LOW LEVEL WAA ON 40-50 KTS OVER THE NEXT 48 HOURS UNDER
INTENSE JET DYNAMICS AND RRE JET ALOFT WILL PRODUCE STRONG
CONVECTION WITH HEAVY RAINFALL POTENTIAL FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH
SATURDAY. AMOUNTS OVER ONE INCH ARE EXPECTED AND COULD LEAD TO LOCAL
FLOODING. HOWEVER...THE NAM MODEL IS NOT AS WET AS THE GFS
SERIES...AND FOR THIS REASONING...WE DECIDED TO HOLD OFF ISSUING A
FLASH FLOOD WATCH UNTIL A LATER SHIFT.

NOW FOR THE GOOD STUFF...
COLD...BUT SHALLOW ARCTIC AIR WILL OVERTAKE THE CWA SATURDAY WITH
SUB-FREEZING TEMPS EXPECTED OVER THE NORTHWEST QUARTER. A WINTER
WATCH WILL BE ISSUED NORTHWEST OF AN EASTLAND TO GAINESVILLE FOR UP
TO 1/4 INCH OF FREEZING RAIN SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH SUNDAY
AFTERNOON. LATER MODEL RUNS MAY PUSH THIS LINE FURTHER SOUTHEAST AND
INTO OR THROUGH THE METROPLEX...BUT FOR NOW THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS.
ALSO THE 1/4 INCH OF ICE MAY INCREASE TOO...THUS PUSHING THE
NORTHWEST THIRD INTO AN ICE STORM WARNING. WE WILL RE-EVALUATE THIS
SCENARIO OVERNIGHT AND TOMORROW.

THE SECOND SURGE OF ARCTIC AIR COLD COMES IN SUNDAY WITH VERY COLD
TEMPS LINGERING ACROSS NORTH TEXAS ALL OF NEXT WEEK. OVERNIGHT LOWS
WILL BE IN THE TEENS TO MID 20S TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.. HIGHS WILL
BE IN THE 30S AND 40S MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY. RAIN CHANCES WILL
END OVER THE SOUTHEAST COUNTIES BY MONDAY MORNING.
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#84 Postby Portastorm » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:12 pm

DFW still sounds cautious. Pragmatic, but cautious.
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#85 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:13 pm

If the first front is already clearing their far SE zones of the DFW NWS by Saturday afternoon late (3-6pm)...then I have no doubt it will reach Houston by Saturday evening or very early Sunday morning.
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#86 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:14 pm

I agree....

Looks like they are waiting until Friday morning to extend the WWW.
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#87 Postby CaptinCrunch » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:21 pm

Stratosphere747 wrote:I agree....

Looks like they are waiting until Friday morning to extend the WWW.


Maybe by 10pm local forecast. unless front really slows down over the next 8 hrs I can't see how NWS FTW won't issue WSW for all of NTX area.
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#88 Postby jasons2k » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:22 pm

Re: NWS DFW -- what is a "Winter Weather Watch"? There are Winter Storm Watches/Warnings and Winter Weather Advisories - but a "Winter Weather Watch"? That's like when the TV guys erroneously call a Severe Thunderstorm Watch a "Thunderstorm Watch". I wouldn't expect the NWS to erroneously flub their own terminology....OK I need to stop before I sound like Dana Carvey's "Grumpy Old man".
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#89 Postby Portastorm » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:24 pm

Wow ... check this out ... NWS San Angelo refers to the front stalling south of the I-20 corridor on Saturday .. (scratching my head over this one ...)

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN ANGELO TX
314 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007

.SHORT TERM...
AN UPPER LOW IS DIGGING OVER THE WESTERN STATES THIS AFTERNOON
WITH A POTENT COLD FRONT MOVING SOUTH THROUGH THE CENTRAL PLAINS.
THE FORECAST AREA WILL SEE ONE MORE ATYPICAL DAY AS FAR AS
TEMPERATURES WITH FRIDAY AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES REACHING INTO THE
MID TO UPPER 60S. THERE WILL BE A CHANCE OF RAINFALL BEGINNING
LATE TONIGHT ACROSS THE AREA AS MOISTURE INCREASES AHEAD OF THE
ARCTIC COLD FRONT. WEATHER WILL BEGIN TO DETERIORATE QUICKLY
FRIDAY NIGHT AS THE COLD FRONT PUSHES INTO THE NORTHERN BIG
COUNTRY. TEMPERATURES WILL DROP RAPIDLY BEHIND THE FRONT AND
GIVEN THE SHALLOWNESS OF THE COLD AIR AND THE WARMER AIR
OVERRIDING THE FRONT...SHOULD SEE LIGHT RAIN TURNING INTO FREEZING
RAIN AFTER MIDNIGHT. THE FREEZING RAIN WILL FOLLOW THE SOUTHWARD
MOVING COLD FRONT AND SHOULD ENCOMPASS THE WHOLE OF THE BIG
COUNTRY BY SATURDAY AFTERNOON. HAVE GONE WITH A WINTER WEATHER
WATCH FOR THE BIG COUNTRY FROM FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY. THE
COLD FRONT SHOULD STALL JUST SOUTH OF OF THE INTERSTATE 20
CORRIDOR SPARING SOUTHERN SECTIONS OF WEST CENTRAL TEXAS ANY
FREEZING PRECIPITATION.
.LONG TERM...
THE UPPER LEVEL TROUGH WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE EAST THROUGH THE
WEEKEND AND UPPER DISTURBANCES TRACKING NORTHEAST IN THE FLOW
ALOFT WILL CONTINUE THE CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION. AS THE UPPER LOW
TRACKS EAST IT WILL PUSH A SECONDARY COLD FRONT THROUGH THE ENTIRE
FORECAST AREA LATE SUNDAY AND INTO MONDAY BRINGING PRECIPITATION
CHANCES TO AN END BY SUNDAY EVENING. COLD ARCTIC AIR WILL SETTLE
OVER THE AREA THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK AND AFTERNOON
TEMPERATURES WILL STRUGGLE TO GET TO THE UPPER 30S THROUGH
TUESDAY. TEMPERATURES WILL BEGIN TO WARM ON THURSDAY BUT AFTERNOON
TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN BELOW SEASONAL NORMALS THROUGH THE END OF
THE WEEK.
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#90 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:28 pm

Latest forecast for the Spring, TX area:


M.L.King Day: A 50 percent chance of rain. Cloudy, with a high near 42.

Monday Night: A chance of sleet or freezing rain. Cloudy, with a low around 28. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

Tuesday: A chance of rain, freezing rain, or sleet. Cloudy, with a high near 42. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Tuesday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 28.

Wednesday: Partly cloudy, with a high near 49.


The most disturbing time is Monday night. They now are showing a sleet/freezing rain mix with temperatures near 28-degrees and a FIFTY percent chance of precipitation.

Tuesday morning could be downright scary to be on the roads!
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#91 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:29 pm

jschlitz wrote:Re: NWS DFW -- what is a "Winter Weather Watch"? There are Winter Storm Watches/Warnings and Winter Weather Advisories - but a "Winter Weather Watch"? That's like when the TV guys erroneously call a Severe Thunderstorm Watch a "Thunderstorm Watch". I wouldn't expect the NWS to erroneously flub their own terminology....OK I need to stop before I sound like Dana Carvey's "Grumpy Old man".


Good one Jason. Somehow when I typed www, it didn’t make sense. Sure the DFW boys are gritting their teeth on the forecast.
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#92 Postby CaptinCrunch » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:38 pm

Wind direction is everything when looking for FRONPA. Ahead of the front like in Tulsa, OK winds are from the S 21 G 32, as the front aproaches the area like in Alva, OK winds are from the W 21 G 25, and behind the front like in Beaver, OK winds are N 17 G 23.
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#93 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:39 pm

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
336 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007

.DISCUSSION...
UPPER LOW/TROUGH STARTING TO MOVE SOUTH TO SOUTHWEST CONUS WHILE
DEEPENING. MEANWHILE...CONSIDERABLE MID/HIGH LEVEL CLOUDINESS
MOVING OVER REGION IN THE SOUTHWEST FLOW ALOFT. AT THE LOWER
LEVELS...ONSHORE FLOW RESULTING IN INCREASING MOISTURE LEVELS WITH
DEWPOINTS OVER NW GULF IN THE LOWER TO MID 60S. WITH UPPER 50S SEA
SURFACE TEMPERATURES NEARSHORE UPPER TEXAS COASTAL WATERS AND BAYS
...THE ONLY PARAMETER THAT MAY DELAY SEA FOG FROM DEVELOPING WILL
THE STRENGTH OF SURFACE WINDS. HOWEVER NEARSHORE WINDS MAY NOT BE
STRONG ENOUGH TO PRECLUDE THIS. WE SHALL CONTINUE WITH AREAS OF
FOG NEARSHORE WATERS EXPANDING INLAND LATE NIGHT. THIS WILL
CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS AT LEAST UNTIL THE STRONG COLD
FRONT MAKE ITS WAY TO OUR REGION. PROGGED VERTICAL PROFILES
INDICATE AIR MASS BECOMING ONLY SLIGHTLY UNSTABLE LATER TOMORROW
AND INTO SUNDAY (PRIOR TO FROPA). PW VALUES INCREASING SATURDAY TO
1.5-1.6 INCHES AND IF GFS IS CORRECT...PA VALUES NEAR FRONT
SUNDAY/SUNDAY NIGHT MAY REACH 1.6-1.8 INCHES ESPECIALLY NEAR THE
COAST. THE STRONG COLD FRONT WILL USHER MODIFIED ARCTIC/CANADIAN
AIR MASS OVER TEXAS AND USUALLY MOS GUIDANCE IS ON THE WARM SIDE
WITH THIS AIR MASS. HENCE WE SHALL GO LOWER WITH TEMPS EARLY
TO MID WEEK (NEXT WEEK). GFS SOUNDINGS AND OTHER PARAMETERS INDICATE
POSSIBLE SLEET/LIGHT RAIN MONDAY MORNING NORTHERN ZONES. MONDAY
NNIGHT MAY SEE SAME SCENARIO REPEATED BUT COVERING POSSIBLY COVERING
CENTRAL/NORTHERN ZONES. GFS INDICATE DRYING LATE TUESDAY WITH TREND
CONTINUING THROUGH END OF EXTENDED FORECAST PERIOD. COLD HIGH
PRESSURE CENTER WILL SHIFT EAST AFTER MID WEEK (NEXT WEEK) USHERING
THE RETURN OF ONSHORE FLOW THURSDAY.
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#94 Postby TexasStooge » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:43 pm

I think the NWS in Fort Worth was trying to say "Winter Storm Watch", but managed to have "Winter Weather Advisory" in mind when typing up their discussion.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
327 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FOR PORTIONS OF NORTH TEXAS
SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON...

.A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL APPROACH NORTH TEXAS FRIDAY...USHERING IN
A SHALLOW LAYER OF SUB FREEZING TEMPERATURES BY SATURDAY. AN
UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE APPROACHING FROM THE WEST IN COMBINATION
WITH DEEP GULF MOISTURE WILL RESULT IN THE POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING
RAIN ALONG AND NORTHWEST OF A EASTLAND TO MINERAL WELLS TO
GAINESVILLE LINE SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON. ICE
ACCUMULATIONS UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH WILL BE POSSIBLE.
ELEVATED ROADWAYS...BRIDGES...AND OVERPASSES WILL BE IMPACTED BY
THE FREEZING RAIN BEGINNING SATURDAY EVENING. PERSONS TRAVELING IN
THE WATCH AREA SHOULD BE ADVISED OF DETERIORATING TRAVEL
CONDITIONS SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

TXZ091-092-100>102-115-116-129-120545-
/O.COR.KFWD.WS.A.0001.070113T0600Z-070115T0000Z/
MONTAGUE-COOKE-YOUNG-JACK-WISE-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO-EASTLAND-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BOWIE...NOCONA...GAINESVILLE...GRAHAM...
OLNEY...JACKSBORO...DECATUR...BRIDGEPORT...BRECKENRIDGE...
MINERAL WELLS...CISCO...EASTLAND...RANGER...GORMAN
327 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH
SUNDAY AFTERNOON...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN FORT WORTH HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH
SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

A COLD FRONT WILL PUSH INTO NORTH TEXAS ON FRIDAY...BRINGING A
SHALLOW LAYER OF SUB FREEZING TEMPERATURES. AN UPPER LEVEL
DISTURBANCE APPROACHING FROM THE WEST IN COMBINATION WITH DEEP
GULF MOISTURE WILL RESULT IN THE POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING RAIN TO
IMPACT AREAS ALONG AND NORTHWEST OF AN EASTLAND TO MINERAL WELLS
TO GAINESVILLE LINE SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON. ICE
ACCUMULATIONS UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH WILL BE POSSIBLE.
ELEVATED ROADWAYS...BRIDGES...AND OVERPASSES WILL BEGIN TO ICE
OVER SATURDAY EVENING. TRAVEL CONDITIONS WILL CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE
LATE SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON. WE WILL CONTINUE TO
EVALUATE THIS DEVELOPING WEATHER SITUATION.

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT
SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.

__________________________________________________________________

As for the cities of Wichita Falls and Wernon, they were issued an Ice Storm Warning. :eek:
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED AN ICE STORM
WARNING...FROM 6 PM FRIDAY TO 6 PM CST SUNDAY.

.PERIODS OF FREEZING RAIN WILL OCCUR BEGINNING FRIDAY NIGHT
AND CONTINUING THROUGH SUNDAY. HEAVIER PRECIPITATION WILL LIKELY
OCCUR FRIDAY NIGHT WITH ANOTHER ROUND EXPECTED SATURDAY EVENING
INTO SUNDAY MORNING. SLEET MAY MIX WITH FREEZING RAIN ON SUNDAY
BEFORE THE PRECIPITATION ENDS.

ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF ONE HALF INCH TO ONE AND A HALF INCHES ARE
EXPECTED WITH THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS EXPECTED TO
EXTEND ALONG THE INTERSTATE 44 CORRIDOR. ICE ACCUMULATIONS AND
WINDS WILL LIKELY LEAD TO SNAPPED POWER LINES AND FALLING TREE
BRANCHES. THIS MAY RESULT IN EXTENDED POWER OUTAGES IN SOME AREAS.


AN ICE STORM WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF ICE ACCUMULATIONS WILL MAKE
TRAVEL DANGEROUS OR IMPOSSIBLE. TRAVEL IS STRONGLY DISCOURAGED.
COMMERCE WILL LIKELY BE SEVERELY IMPACTED. IF YOU MUST
TRAVEL...KEEP AN EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD...AND WATER IN YOUR
VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
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#95 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:45 pm

Good indication of the frontal speed.

SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AMARILLO TX
308 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007

NOW...

REGIONAL WEATHER SYNOPSIS...
MUCH COLDER TEMPERATURES ARE ON THE WAY. A STRONG COLD FRONT IS
LOCATED ACROSS WEST CENTRAL KANSAS AND HAS MOVED THROUGH DODGE
CITY...LIBERAL...AND ELKHART. THIS COLD FRONT IS MOVING SOUTH AT
ABOUT 20 MPH AND WILL BE MOVING THR0UGH THE OKLAHOMA PANHANDLE OVER
THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS. TEMPERATURES BEHIND THE FRONT WILL BE SHARPLY
COLDER AND ONCE DIPPING BELOW FREEZING WILL NOT WARM ABOVE FREEZING
UNTIL NEXT WEEK. THE FRONT SHOULD BE MOVING THROUGH THE SOUTHERN
TEXAS PANHANDLE INCLUDING THE AMARILLO AREA AROUND MIDNIGHT.
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#96 Postby Portastorm » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:50 pm

Stratosphere747 wrote:Good indication of the frontal speed.

SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AMARILLO TX
308 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007

NOW...

REGIONAL WEATHER SYNOPSIS...
MUCH COLDER TEMPERATURES ARE ON THE WAY. A STRONG COLD FRONT IS
LOCATED ACROSS WEST CENTRAL KANSAS AND HAS MOVED THROUGH DODGE
CITY...LIBERAL...AND ELKHART. THIS COLD FRONT IS MOVING SOUTH AT
ABOUT 20 MPH AND WILL BE MOVING THR0UGH THE OKLAHOMA PANHANDLE OVER
THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS. TEMPERATURES BEHIND THE FRONT WILL BE SHARPLY
COLDER AND ONCE DIPPING BELOW FREEZING WILL NOT WARM ABOVE FREEZING
UNTIL NEXT WEEK. THE FRONT SHOULD BE MOVING THROUGH THE SOUTHERN
TEXAS PANHANDLE INCLUDING THE AMARILLO AREA AROUND MIDNIGHT.


Assuming the front stays at 15-20 mph ... when does it reach DFW, then?
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#97 Postby TrekkerCC » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:53 pm

Portastorm wrote:
Stratosphere747 wrote:Good indication of the frontal speed.

SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AMARILLO TX
308 PM CST THU JAN 11 2007

NOW...

REGIONAL WEATHER SYNOPSIS...
MUCH COLDER TEMPERATURES ARE ON THE WAY. A STRONG COLD FRONT IS
LOCATED ACROSS WEST CENTRAL KANSAS AND HAS MOVED THROUGH DODGE
CITY...LIBERAL...AND ELKHART. THIS COLD FRONT IS MOVING SOUTH AT
ABOUT 20 MPH AND WILL BE MOVING THR0UGH THE OKLAHOMA PANHANDLE OVER
THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS. TEMPERATURES BEHIND THE FRONT WILL BE SHARPLY
COLDER AND ONCE DIPPING BELOW FREEZING WILL NOT WARM ABOVE FREEZING
UNTIL NEXT WEEK. THE FRONT SHOULD BE MOVING THROUGH THE SOUTHERN
TEXAS PANHANDLE INCLUDING THE AMARILLO AREA AROUND MIDNIGHT.


Assuming the front stays at 15-20 mph ... when does it reach DFW, then?


Probably mid-morning to afternoon Friday is my best guess.
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#98 Postby JenBayles » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:54 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:Tuesday morning could be downright scary to be on the roads!


That's why nobody should BE on the roads if this mess actually verifies. I'm always amazed an how many people really believe they can drive a vehicle on ice. Idiots!
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#99 Postby JenBayles » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:57 pm

Hey Yankee - what's gonna be on your stovetop this weekend? What a wonderful shot at doing some cooking with all the nasty weather going on! I'm thinking homemade chicken & dumplings from scratch - making my own broth, etc. If the power goes out a couple days later leftovers are easy enough to heat up on the old camp stove. :lol:

We're pretty well set for any power outages since we have so much camp equipment. Even have propane tent heaters to go with the fireplace heat. The best thing is we'll still have TV with our Rita-era purchase of a rechargeable battery TV.
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#100 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:59 pm

Unless it slows down, have to think it makes to DFW by late morning/early afternoon.

Also, not sure if anyone noticed, but in the DFW disco they actually are thinking about issuing a FFW for Friday into Saturday.
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