TX Winter Wx Threat # 10---cool/cold and wet?

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#161 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:09 pm

aggiecutter wrote:portastorm, the 0z EURO did the same thing--go zonal on Wednesday-- but, it brings the trough back into the central part of the country by Friday. In contrast, the 12z goes zonal from Wednesday through Friday. We'll just have to wait and see if that is a trend or an aberration.



Flip Flop.... remember last event :wink:
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#162 Postby double D » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:21 pm

If you look at the 18z NAM at hour 84, it shows a 1040 high in the rockies and the 0c 2 meter line in central Texas and the -10c 2 meter line south of Lubbock. So it looks like this weekend could be pretty chilly, even with sunshine. I have a feeling that the models actually might trend colder with future runs....we shall see.

Quite a bit cooler than the 12z GFS at hour 90.
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#163 Postby TexasStooge » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:22 pm

As mentioned earlier today, most of the wintry precip will be falling in the Red River areas, and maybe as far south as Denton, McKinney, and Mineral Wells.

NWS - Foprt Worth wrote:...A MIX OF RAIN AND SLEET POSSIBLE IN THE NORTHWEST AND ALONG
THE RED RIVER WEDNESDAY MORNING...

AN UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE WILL APPROACH FROM THE WEST TONIGHT...
WITH INCREASING MOISTURE AND A SUBSEQUENT CHANCE FOR PRECIPITATION.
BEFORE DAYBREAK WEDNESDAY...RAIN MIXED WITH SLEET WILL BE POSSIBLE
WEST OF A JACKSBORO TO PALO PINTO LINE. THIS WINTRY MIX WILL PUSH
NORTHEAST ACROSS THE RED RIVER VALLEY WEDNESDAY MORNING...BUT BY
AFTERNOON...TEMPERATURES WILL BE ABOVE FREEZING AND ALL PRECIPITATION
SHOULD BE RAIN. LITTLE TO NO ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED AND IMPACTS TO
TRAVEL WILL BE LIMITED. REGARDLESS...MOTORISTS SHOULD EXERCISE
CAUTION WEDNESDAY MORNING...PARTICULARLY WHILE TRAVELING ON ELEVATED
ROADWAYS...BRIDGES...AND OVERPASSES.

THERE IS ALSO A CHANCE FOR A MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW ALONG THE RED
RIVER FRIDAY MORNING...WITH FLURRIES POSSIBLE FRIDAY NIGHT AND
SATURDAY. AT THIS TIME...NO SNOW ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED.


SHERMAN

Wednesday: Image 37°F | 31°F
Thursday: Image 40°F | 28°F
Friday: Image 37°F | 24°F
Saturday: Image 33°F | 23°F
_____________________________________________________________

WICHITA FALLS

Wednesday: Image 41°F | 33°F
Thursday: Image 41°F | 25°F
Friday: Image 32°F | 23°F
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AMARILLO

Wednesday: Image 34°F | 21°F
Thursday: Image 32°F | 18°F
Friday: Image 23°F | 12°F
Saturday: Image 24°F | 14°F
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LUBBOCK

Wednesday: Image 43°F | 29°F
Thursday: Image 41°F | 25°F
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#164 Postby wall_cloud » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:33 pm

double D wrote:If you look at the 18z NAM at hour 84, it shows a 1040 high in the rockies and the 0c 2 meter line in central Texas and the -10c 2 meter line south of Lubbock. So it looks like this weekend could be pretty chilly, even with sunshine. I have a feeling that the models actually might trend colder with future runs....we shall see.

Quite a bit cooler than the 12z GFS at hour 90.


they have done that multiple times this season already. They pick up a solution about 7-10 days out, then moderate with it, then when its gets a few days out it jumps back on board. The ECMWF has been much more stable and consistent.
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#165 Postby aggiecutter » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:41 pm

Just watched Bastardi's videos. HE IS VERY BULLISH ON A MID-SOUTH, SOUTHERN PLAINS, ON UP THE EASTERN SEABOARD SNOW STORM EARLY NEXT WEEK . He mentioned the towns of Shreveport and OKC being affected. He drew the line of heaviest snow from about Dallas, across Northern Texas into Southern Arkansas and Northern Mississippi then heading up toward the NE. He defined heavy as being greater than 4 inches. This is the snowstorm that was on a GFS a couple days ago @ 192. I mentioned at the time that it would lose it and pick it up again about 3 days out. Anyway, Bastardi said the other models have picked up on it now. Speaking of the GFS, he showed several examples of where the model was in la la land.
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#166 Postby GeneratorPower » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:48 pm

Go Bastardi, It's your birthday... uh huh
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#167 Postby HarlequinBoy » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:52 pm

aggiecutter wrote:Just watched Bastardi's videos. HE IS VERY BULLISH ON A MID-SOUTH, SOUTHERN PLAINS, ON UP THE EASTERN SEABOARD SNOW STORM EARLY NEXT WEEK . He mentioned the towns of Shreveport and OKC being affected. He drew the line of heaviest snow from about Dallas, across Northern Texas into Southern Arkansas and Northern Mississippi then heading up toward the NE. He defined heavy as being greater than 4 inches. This is the snowstorm that was on a GFS a couple days ago @ 192. I mentioned at the time that it would lose it and pick it up again about 3 days out. Anyway, Bastardi said the other models have picked up on it now. Speaking of the GFS, he showed several examples of where the model was in la la land.


That's interesting to say the least. lol
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#168 Postby rsdoug1981 » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:55 pm

Did JB mention the words "Jackson, Mississippi" anywhere in his discussion? :D
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#169 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:08 pm

Though the Houston NWS is showing it "cool" for the weekend, I still think it looks way too warm (especially for the lows)...

Forecast for my area:
Friday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 37.

Saturday: Partly cloudy, with a high near 52.

Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 36.

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 55.

Sunday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 37.

Monday: Partly cloudy, with a high near 59.

Monday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 41.


A low of 36-37 would not be impressive at all (and is much warmer than what wxman and AFD have called for). The sad thing too is that this forecast is heavily based the GFS 12z MOS guidance. Since the GFS MOS guidance is typically too warm at this time frame, I would have hoped the NWS would have cut off a few more degrees from their forecast. Oh well...

I guess we will see what happens tomorrow.
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#170 Postby GeneratorPower » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:09 pm

Image


He mentioned something about Winter WX in this area.... 8-)
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#171 Postby southerngale » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:11 pm

WOOHOOOOO....I'm gonna get snow after all.

MSN Weather - Beaumont, TX

Thursday
Feb 08 Snow Showers Snow Showers

Hi: 44° Lo: 33°


Cloudy with sleet showers. High 44F and low 33F.
60%


And I SO believe it!
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#172 Postby cctxhurricanewatcher » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:12 pm

GeneratorPower wrote:Image


He mentioned something about Winter WX in this area.... 8-)


:roflmao:
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#173 Postby double D » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:40 pm

wall_cloud wrote:
double D wrote:If you look at the 18z NAM at hour 84, it shows a 1040 high in the rockies and the 0c 2 meter line in central Texas and the -10c 2 meter line south of Lubbock. So it looks like this weekend could be pretty chilly, even with sunshine. I have a feeling that the models actually might trend colder with future runs....we shall see.

Quite a bit cooler than the 12z GFS at hour 90.


they have done that multiple times this season already. They pick up a solution about 7-10 days out, then moderate with it, then when its gets a few days out it jumps back on board. The ECMWF has been much more stable and consistent.


Yeah most of the NWS offices seem to be taking the ECMWF path for this weekend and early next week.

It also looks like the GFS erodes the cold air to the east too quickly, I think it will actually end up being pretty cold this weekend. I think many places in Texas will see some COLD night time lows. If we can get ideal radiational cooling I would not be surprised to see many places in the state hit the lower 20's and teens....especially with a dry northwest flow.
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#174 Postby angelwing » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:40 pm

:uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow:
:roflmao:
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#175 Postby double D » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:47 pm

I noticed that Amarillo NWS really dropped thier temperature this afternoon. I guess they are tired of playing the GFS game too.

Slight Chc
Snow
Lo 22°F Wednesday
Slight Chc
Rain/Snow
Hi 34°F Wednesday
Night

Chance
Snow
Lo 21°F Thursday


Chance
Snow
Hi 32°F Thursday
Night

Slight Chc
Snow
Lo 18°F Friday


Partly
Cloudy
Hi 23°F Friday
Night

Slight Chc
Snow
Lo 12°F Saturday


Slight Chc
Snow
Hi 24°F Saturday
Night
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#176 Postby southerngale » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:49 pm

Amarillo....BRRRR!!

I guess if I really want some cold and snow, I could be in Amarillo by Morning. :cheesy:
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#177 Postby ETXHAMXYL » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:07 pm

ISn't that a Song? Southerngale? Well if it doesn't get any colder than the upper 40's, I guess this FAt Lady will have to Sing That Song. :band:
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#178 Postby gboudx » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:08 pm

ETXHAMXYL wrote:ISn't that a Song? Southerngale? Well if it doesn't get any colder than the upper 40's, I guess this FAt Lady will have to Sing That Song. :band:


George Strait.
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#179 Postby wall_cloud » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:32 pm

double D wrote:I noticed that Amarillo NWS really dropped thier temperature this afternoon. I guess they are tired of playing the GFS game too.


actually, we've not been on the GFS bandwagon for some time. For the past 5 days or so, we've been as cold as 20+ degrees lower than the MEX (especially Fri-Sat-Sun). The GFS just has been flaky to say the least. It doesn't have the vertical resolution to handle the cold airmass and understimates its depth (and cold temps)...thus warming us too quickly after the system moves east.
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#180 Postby wall_cloud » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:34 pm

southerngale wrote:Amarillo....BRRRR!!

I guess if I really want some cold and snow, I could be in Amarillo by Morning. :cheesy:


we've only had 18 inches of snow so far.
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