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Regit wrote:Bellarose wrote:
Taking all of that into account, I keep coming back to the fact that these different cultures and religions want nothing more to destroy us. Derek's right....gloves off and do what we need to do. I have two children and one on the way. I'd like to know that they will still have our beautiful country to grow up in.
When did we become so PC when it comes to war? Don't answer that if it will turn into a political debate. I was mostly just wondering out loud.
Iran does not now, nor will they within the decade, have the ability to destroy the United States.
Bellarose wrote:When did we become so PC when it comes to war? Don't answer that if it will turn into a political debate. I was mostly just wondering out loud.
It will make American forces safer if we take the gloves off,
like we did at the end of the Kosovo War, when we brought Serbia to its knees by bombing civilians.
Took away the Serbians' will to fight and they eventually turned against old Slobo.
If we try and play video games, as we have the last 4 years in Iraq,
our troops will be in grave danger
If we do have to face Iran, we need to stop fooling around,
stop worrying if the majority of the Arabs in the mid east will like us (most have been taught to hate us from day one, so we may NEVER be able to win over the hearts and minds),
stop listening to their propaganda that this is a war against Islam
(in Kosovo, we killed thousands of CHRISTIAN civilians to protect MUSLIMS,
and do what we need to do.
I shudder to think of the outcry that will happen if we have to launch a bombing raid on the scale of Hamburg, Berlin, Dresden,
or Tokyo (a raid that was much more devastating that the Atmoic Bomb raids).
As for out forces being stretched SK and Japanese forces, not to mention our B2s that could take out 8 targets in Iran and another 8 in NK on the same flight (those missions start and end in the USA for the most part)
Now can we return to the Iran discussion?
Derek Ortt wrote:civilians die in war, its a fact of life
Killing has a VERY practical military effect. It demoralises the enemy to the point where they do not want to fight. That is accepted fact. Additionally, by killing civilians, you are killing the workforce. No work force means reduced war production, providing your side with an advantage.
As for what is fact and opinion, some here really need to learn the difference. If one does not agree with the facts, that does not make them "opinions"
It is known that the destructon of Belgrade is what won us the Kosovo War
The whole world saw the Serbs turn against Slobo. To say that is an opinion is to say The Reich defeated the USA in WW2 is a fact
The Tokyo raid was more destructive than the atmoic bombs. Agian, saying that is an opinion is the same as saying Japan defeated the USA and Britain in WW2 is a fact
Good honest debate is what advances ideas and allows us move forward.
killng civilians in war stems back from God himself leading the conquest of Canaan. That was a successful conquest, so military, that tactic does in fact work. Only recently have we tried to not kill civilians, before, we'd just burn down an entire city without regard for life
Killing in war is not comitting murder. 99.99% of the world understands that.
What would you have said during WW2 when we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians per month at a rate faster than the Reich were killing civilians at Treblinka?
Derek Ortt wrote:killng civilians in war stems back from God himself leading the conquest of Canaan. That was a successful conquest, so military, that tactic does in fact work. Only recently have we tried to not kill civilians, before, we'd just burn down an entire city without regard for life
Derek Ortt wrote:I fail to see the logic of those who say killing ENEMY civilians is wrong, when they are making the bombs and materials that kill American military and civilian personnel. One does not win a war by being "morally" superior to the enemy, one wins by killing them, which with Iran's actions, maybe we should start having that debate. What would you have said during WW2 when we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians per month at a rate faster than the Reich were killing civilians at Treblinka?
artist wrote:What I don't understand is this - why would anyone want them to be able to come over here and murder us? IF we don't let them know we are serious and fight them where they are then that is what will happen. There truly are some in this world that are evil and they mislead the vunerable and could care less about death and destruction. Not everyone is willing to talk - and some of those that say they are would be plotting behind our backs.
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