Remnants of Andrea-Thread 2

[MiamiensisWx]

Andrea hasn't reached this point yet.

Water vapor imagery tells another story. There is no discernable circulation at any level. This is very similar to 2006's Daniel (as it dissipated). In addition, convection is very shallow and confined to the southeast quadrant. Mid-level shear has exponentially increased over the past few hours. In addition, Andrea is approaching the dissipation stage.

[Thunder44]

This system look now like it's going through a slow death.

[chadtm80]

[jaxfladude]

This system look now like it's going through a slow death.

Yep, a waste of taxpayer's $$$ and time and hope to help out as it relates to the fires in S. GA and most of Fla.

[HURAKAN]

This system look now like it's going through a slow death.

Yep, a waste of taxpayer's $$$ and time and hope to help out as it relates to the fires in S. GA and most of Fla.

It was not a waste of time or money. The storm produced vigorous storm surge that caused rip currents, erosion, and coastal flooding. If time and money had not been used in keeping and eye on the track, position and intensity of the system many persons could have died by taking small vessels and traveling over ocean areas impacted by the intense storm surge or just by taking a swin. You know that sometimes people find inviting an angry ocean because the waves look spectacular and but they are certainly deadly. Every storm is important.

[CrazyC83]

Andrea has probably been a subtropical or tropical cyclone since at least Wednesday afternoon, just after announcing the 24 hour wait for the Recon...

[Extremeweatherguy]

Andrea has been producing some strong winds in NE Florida and SW Georgia today. Here are a few of the highest wind reports of the day from selected stations...

St. Augustine, FL = N 29 G 40

Jacksonville, FL = NE 25 G 35 (There was a top gust of 36mph an hour later)

Daytona Beach, FL = N 16 G 28

Brunswick, GA = NE 26 G 38

[wxman57]

This system look now like it's going through a slow death.

Yep, a waste of taxpayer's $$$ and time and hope to help out as it relates to the fires in S. GA and most of Fla.

It was not a waste of time or money. The storm produced vigorous storm surge that caused rip currents, erosion, and coastal flooding. If time and money had not been used in keeping and eye on the track, position and intensity of the system many persons could have died by taking small vessels and traveling over ocean areas impacted by the intense storm surge or just by taking a swin. You know that sometimes people find inviting an angry ocean because the waves look spectacular and but they are certainly deadly. Every storm is important.

But it did all that damage 2 days before it was named. The NHC named it as it had nearly weakened below TS strength. By that time, it was causing little additional damage.

[jaxfladude]

This system look now like it's going through a slow death.

Yep, a waste of taxpayer's $$$ and time and hope to help out as it relates to the fires in S. GA and most of Fla.

It was not a waste of time or money. The storm produced vigorous storm surge that caused rip currents, erosion, and coastal flooding. If time and money had not been used in keeping and eye on the track, position and intensity of the system many persons could have died by taking small vessels and traveling over ocean areas impacted by the intense storm surge or just by taking a swin. You know that sometimes people find inviting an angry ocean because the waves look spectacular and but they are certainly deadly. Every storm is important.

But it did all that damage 2 days before it was named. The NHC named it as it had nearly weakened below TS strength. By that time, it was causing little additional damage.

Should have called it a strong storm not tropical not named but to inform people of higher the usual tides strong winds etc, I think the naming was a huge mistake....

[Extremeweatherguy]

If it met the criteria of a subtropical storm by the NHC standards though, then I think it probably had to be named. The meteorologists at the NHC wouldn't be doing their jobs if they just let subtropical or tropical cyclones slip by with no official warning.

[StormTracker]

If it met the criteria of a subtropical storm by the NHC standards though, then I think it probably had to be named. The meteorologists at the NHC wouldn't be doing their jobs if they just let subtropical or tropical cyclones slip by with no official warning.

Bottom-line/Period/Done deal/End of story!!! Thank you!!!

[MusicCityMan]

St Augustine had a wind gust to tropical storm force?.. Hmm.. Must have been isolated..

[Windtalker1]

Thunderstorms trying to fire up again close to the center....may not be DEAD yet. http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-avn.html

[djones65]

Wxman57, are you agreeing that the NHC should not have named this storm Andrea?
I agree with Extremeweatherguy that if a cyclone meets criteria designated for tropical cyclone classification or subtropical classification it should be done. No more argument. However, just because the system weakens after advisories are initiated or produces no significant changes to sensible weather over land should have NO influence on classifying a tropical cyclone.
It was not a waste of taxpayer's money.
Perhaps we should not name any tropical cyclone until they affect land areas of the U.S.???
Any tropical cyclone over water should be considered strong storms that marine interests should deal with? Let's not waste any taxpayer's money on storms that don't affect land. Isn't that the argument?

I am always stunned when people seem disappointed that a named tropical cyclone doesn't produce significant damage and then blame the NHC or the government for doing its job. Sending out recon was the appropriate response. Naming the cyclone was also the correct thing to do based on the data obtained.

Should Franklin, Harvey, Irene, Lee, Maria, Nate, Philippe, Vince, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, or Zeta been named during the 2005 season? Should we have wasted taxpayer's money sending reconaissance planes to investigate Franklin, Irene, Philippe, or Gamma, and if so, why? Franklin was headed northeast away from land, Irene was in the middle of the Atlantic, Nate was moving away from Bermuda, Philippe was becoming absorbed by monstrous upper level low hundreds of miles northeast of Puerto Rico, and Gamma was over the NW Caribbean in late November when upper level shear was high and water temps cooling. What are y'alls thoughts?

[brunota2003]

While some may not believe the storm should of been named, I do believe it should of been. For one, it allows models to be tested on a real storm, and not some make-believe one. This storm did meet the criteria, so after waiting for confirmation that it did indeed meet it from Recon, Sat images, buoys, radar, models, and ship reports, along with their expert opinions, they decided to upgrade it. Initially, the models were forcasting the system to get close enough to land to spread tropical storm force winds onto the coast of Florida. Now wouldn't it look bad if they hadn't of upgraded it, and it caused a bunch of damage in Florida as a fully tropical system? Wouldn't it appear that they were not doing their own jobs to everyone? Do I have my own opinions? Yes, but I'm not going to bash the NHC because they didn't do what I may think they should of. They get enough of that during the season as it is...

[curtadams]

When is the shear going to get around to finally snuffing her? She's looked doomed all day but that little puff of convection at the center keeps hanging around.

[eastcoastFL]

Do you remember a little dying storm named td10? I dont count any storms out anymore.

[Scorpion]

I've never heard of a Subtropical Depression before

[eastcoastFL]

they probably made it up!

[wxman57]

Wxman57, are you agreeing that the NHC should not have named this storm Andrea?
I agree with Extremeweatherguy that if a cyclone meets criteria designated for tropical cyclone classification or subtropical classification it should be done. No more argument. However, just because the system weakens after advisories are initiated or produces no significant changes to sensible weather over land should have NO influence on classifying a tropical cyclone.
It was not a waste of taxpayer's money.
Perhaps we should not name any tropical cyclone until they affect land areas of the U.S.???
Any tropical cyclone over water should be considered strong storms that marine interests should deal with? Let's not waste any taxpayer's money on storms that don't affect land. Isn't that the argument?

I am always stunned when people seem disappointed that a named tropical cyclone doesn't produce significant damage and then blame the NHC or the government for doing its job. Sending out recon was the appropriate response. Naming the cyclone was also the correct thing to do based on the data obtained.

Should Franklin, Harvey, Irene, Lee, Maria, Nate, Philippe, Vince, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, or Zeta been named during the 2005 season? Should we have wasted taxpayer's money sending reconaissance planes to investigate Franklin, Irene, Philippe, or Gamma, and if so, why? Franklin was headed northeast away from land, Irene was in the middle of the Atlantic, Nate was moving away from Bermuda, Philippe was becoming absorbed by monstrous upper level low hundreds of miles northeast of Puerto Rico, and Gamma was over the NW Caribbean in late November when upper level shear was high and water temps cooling. What are y'alls thoughts?

I think it's questionable as to whether Andrea had enough tropical characteristics to be classifed an STS. The recon plane found it was cold core almost all the way down to the surface. Just a hint of warming in the lower levels. So it was very borderline. But the NHC's job is to protect the general public, so they can't be dismissive of any potential threat, no matter how small. Because of that, I'd agree with the naming of such a questionable system which still might pose some threat to public safety and might gain more tropical characteristics.

However, it could be argued that the storm had already done its damage by the time the NHC named it. Strongest winds, biggest waves, highest tides along the coast were 2 days before it was named. We were putting out bulletins on it as early as Friday morning (not calling it "Andrea", just a strong storm system developing). Therefore, if the NHC felt it HAD to name the storm Andrea to get the public's attention, then the NWS needs to re-examine its warning system.