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#41 Postby lurkey » Wed May 23, 2007 9:59 pm

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GalvestonDuck wrote:And when did they get a shipment of office supplies? Charlie had a Sharpie?


Charlieeeeee!!!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



It's the sharpie from last week's episode. . .


LOL! Last week...this week...two years ago. It's still the same island. That Sharpie got there somehow and never ran out of ink? :lol:
It has been 90 days on the island. He probably picked up from the wreckage.
Seriously, I know...there's clearly more on that island than they originally knew. I mean, a radio tower? And they never saw that earlier? This is a big freaking island! Oh, great...and there's that psycho bald guy.


The radio tower was discovered in Season 1 Episode 9.
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#42 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed May 23, 2007 10:03 pm

Hmmm I had not recognized the tower.
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#43 Postby brunota2003 » Wed May 23, 2007 10:10 pm

Who died though? Great season ender...but Charlie died :( *cries*
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#44 Postby lurkey » Wed May 23, 2007 10:17 pm

brunota2003 wrote:Who died though? Great season ender...but Charlie died :( *cries*


The 5 significant deaths were Charlie, Naomi, Tom, Bonnie and Greta.

Did I miss something? Weren't we gonna find out why there are only 48 episodes left?
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#45 Postby brunota2003 » Wed May 23, 2007 10:26 pm

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brunota2003 wrote:Who died though? Great season ender...but Charlie died :( *cries*


The 5 significant deaths were Charlie, Naomi, Tom, Bonnie and Greta.

Did I miss something? Weren't we gonna find out why there are only 48 episodes left?

Who was in the casket though? Thats what I want to know.
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#46 Postby lurkey » Wed May 23, 2007 10:32 pm

brunota2003 wrote:
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brunota2003 wrote:Who died though? Great season ender...but Charlie died :( *cries*


The 5 significant deaths were Charlie, Naomi, Tom, Bonnie and Greta.

Did I miss something? Weren't we gonna find out why there are only 48 episodes left?

Who was in the casket though? Thats what I want to know.


My guess: Ben or Locke
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#47 Postby Miss Mary » Wed May 23, 2007 10:32 pm

lurker - that future clip could be the last episode we'll ever see. And if you back up, you'll quickly figure out only 48 episodes will fit between Season 3's finale and the final episode (Kate/Jack at the airport). Just a hunch. Didn't feel like an ending to me. Felt like a Steven King novel adapted for film. Ugh....

When asked if Jack was a friend or family of the deceased he was quick to say - neither. I'm guessing the person in the coffin was Ben.

My daughter is in deep mourning over Charlie. Let me also say I did not believe Locke was dead and he wasn't. So I won't believe Charlie is dead until next season starts. I just......won't!
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#48 Postby Miss Mary » Wed May 23, 2007 10:51 pm

Please, oh please, do not read this article if you have not watched tonight's show yet. It's a very sad read.......are you ready? I have a lump in my throat now.......rip Charlie.

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Ausiello Report
Don't Read if You Haven't Seen Tonight's Lost!

Lost by Mario Perez/ABC
What the frak is Kate doing in Jack's flashback?! OMG... This isn't a flashback -- it's a flashforward!

Forget rattlesnake in the mailbox. Lost's big game-changer was more like an anaconda in the post office.

I don't know what else to say but… wow.

Not since ABC debuted a little show called Twin Peaks back in 1990 have I been so riveted by two hours of TV. I laughed. I cried. I cheered. I choked on my Snapple. And now, I'm processing. And there's lots to process, as the rattlesnake wasn't the finale's only "Oh, #$*&!" moment. Let's quickly review some the others (after which we'll get to the real reason you're here: the Carlton Cuse debrief):

• Hurley's rousing off-road trip
• Jack and Juliet's surprising smooch
• Jack's admission of love to Kate
• Penelope's Naomi-busting communique
• The hysterically awkward family reunion between Ben, Rousseau and Alex
• Walt's return
• Matthew Fox's fearless, balls-to-the-wall performance
• The many deaths, including Friendly, Naomi, Patch and, most importantly…

… Charlie. Poor, poor Charlie. We've seen a lot of characters get the life knocked out of 'em on Lost, but, let's be real: this is the first one that actually hurt. And no one's feeling the pain more than the guys who pulled the trigger (or the pin, as it were): executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof.

Shortly before the finale aired, Cuse talked to me about the decision to have Charlie join the likes of Shannon, Boone and Mr. Eko in the big island in the sky. But he side-stepped questions regarding any of the finale's other big developments, preferring instead to let "fans digest it without our further interpretation or explanation." Fair enough.

Why'd you kill off Charlie?
Cuse: We felt like we needed to pay off Desmond's prognostications. We thought about various ways in which that could pay off, but, ultimately, we came to the conclusion that the best version of the story was for Charlie to die.

But Desmond could have had premonitions about anyone. Why Charlie?
Cuse: In order for the story to have real stakes, we had to make it a significant character. And we felt like we had told the biggest and most important parts of Charlie's story. He was an addict; her recovered from his addiction; he found some meaning and purpose in his relationship with Claire. We didn't really want to throw him back into the throes of addiction again. It just felt like this was the best path for this character -- the Everyman Hero making this tremendous sacrifice for the benefit of everyone else on the island -- even if it resulted in the painful consequences of losing Dominic.

As heartbreaking as his death was, it was also kind of beautiful.
Cuse: We gave Charlie a death that was distinctive from any of the other [deaths on Lost]. He willingly chooses to sacrifice himself, and does it in an incredibly noble and heroic way. It felt to us like that was the necessary story culmination for Season 3 to feel complete. Unfortunately, you exist in two realms. You exist in one realm: Damon and I as storytellers. And then we also exist in the realm of producers who happen to be friends with Dominic Monaghan, who's a wonderful guy and a terrific actor. It's really painful to have what's best for the story collide with a personal relationship with an actor. It was very hard to say good-bye to Dominic. But I think he understood. Lost is a story and there's kind of a continuum to it. And some characters are destined to complete the entire journey and others aren't. Charlie's death wasn't insignificant. It creates a major turn in the overall story of Lost.

Charlie's death also shows that no one really IS safe on Lost.
Cuse: Right. If Billy Petersen has a gun put to his head on CSI, nobody really believes he's going to die. But on our show, we really DO want the audience to believe that whenever a character is in jeopardy, it really could mean the end of that character. We didn't think of it as callously as, "Oh, well, we have to make people believe in the stakes of out show." But that's definitely a repercussion of Charlie's death. Major characters CAN die.

What was Dominic's reaction?
Cuse: Dominic was extremely gentlemanly about it and very professional. I think it was hard for him. He really loved being on the show. The moment when it really sunk in the most for us was when Damon and I went into the editing room and watched the sequence in which Charlie dies, fully edited. I don't think either one of us was prepared for the visceral emotional reaction of watching it on screen. First, because Dominic did such an awesome acting job. Second, because Jack Bender did such an incredible job directing it. But mostly, it was the emotional impact of seeing in celluloid the consequences of our story decision. It was really affecting. In those moments, you realize the profoundness of the decisions you have to make as a storyteller.

Did you ever stop and think, "This could really put a crimp in his relationship with Evangeline [Lilly]!" I mean, they had a good thing going, living and working together in Hawaii.
Cuse: I wish that we could take those things into consideration, but we can't. Damon and I always tell ourselves, "The story has to take precedence." It's painful when there are personal consequences that are an offshoot of those decisions, but we have to tell the story the best way we can. And while it will be painful for the audience to see Charlie go, I think that it's also an incredibly cathartic emotional experience. And it helps give the finale a sense of closure, and the season a sense of roundness… That we sort of begun and completed a journey during the 23 hours we did this year.

And now we've got to wait nine long months until the next chapter.
Cuse: It's the best of the available choices. I think if you were to ask anybody, "Do you want it fast or do you want it good?" You would say, "I want it good."

OK, guys, it's your turn to weigh in on the finale. Were you as blown away by the rattlesnake as I was? Was the sight of Charlie taking his last breath too much for you to bear? Who do you think those mysterious Other Others are — and was Kate going home to one of them at the end? And whose funeral did Jack attend? Sound off below!
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#49 Postby MSRobi911 » Thu May 24, 2007 1:13 am

As for the Sharpie, Duckie, they got supplies up until Locke blew up the submarine, all the time. As for the Tower, they knew it was there and had been there before when they found the repeating signal Danille had sent out 16 years ago.

As far as a Flashforward...I don't think so....think about it, after stealing the Oxycontin in the Drug Room (like it would be that easy, NOT) he tells the other doctor to go find his Dad upstairs and if is drunker than his Dad then he can say something....hellloooooo His Dad died in Australia and that is why Jack was on the plane in the first place, bringing home his body. I think this is just Jack dreaming something in his head. Also he tried to give the pharmacist a prescription signed by his father...duh he is dead. As for who would have died? Who would be in a coffin that was all by itself? Rose comes to mind as we all know she had cancer before going on the island. But why would Kate say, "Why would I go to the Viewing?" Where would her (Rose's) husband be? Who is "he is waiting for me" ??? said Kate at the end? As for the two girls being significant "characters to die", I don't remember them before the last show. Also 7 of the "others" were killed in the explosion, so evidently they can't count. And the eye patch dude just can't die, like Locke...........goodness....and we have to wait for 9 months to give us more question to ask? ROFLMAO!!!

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#50 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 24, 2007 6:33 am

About the 5 significant characters to die - here's my theory. By now the writers know we all have our beloved, most favorite characters and we don't want any of them to die. So they conveniently bring background or new characters to the forefront, killing them off. Sneaky? Yes but if we lost only one and a huge fan favorite - RIP Charlie, I'm sooooo sad this morning - then we can let them give us 4 other characters and call them "significant" - we just know better. Thank goodness the rest are all safe.

I still say Ben was the one in the coffin. And those scenes did indeed feel like they were flashforwards. I hope they're a dream Mary, truly I do, but since the writers have an end date in mind, this all felt legit to me. Something terribly goes wrong from Season 4's Premiere to the end and Jack cannot handle it. As for his father, I've always thought his death was implied but not certain. And if not for that TV Guide interview that I posted above, I still would sitting here expecting and hoping for Charlie to somehow survive next season. Because let's face it, a death on Lost is not always certain.
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#51 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 24, 2007 6:51 am

Posting my last - insert sniffle here - TV Guide Lost Critique until 2008 - wah - here it is:

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May 23, 2007: Not-so-good Vibrations

Anyone else feel like they were just kicked in the stomach? I'm still catching my breath from the blow. It was a perfect, satisfying balance of triumphant highs, sorrowful lows, suspense and those signature "wha?!?" Lost moments all helped along by that ever-more-awesome score. I hope I can do this episode justice.

So first we have Charlie being beaten to a pulp by the two Looking Glass chicks and telling them all about Juliet for no apparent reason. You can't play hero and leak secrets at the same time, my boy. But for the benefit of his legacy, I will point out that in the end, that information didn't really affect anything, since Tom and Co. already had their radios off. I'd really like to know the part of Ben's backstory when we find out how he ever gained the trust of all his people. Not only does he lie to them nonstop, but they're always discovering his lies. Why do they still follow his orders? One of the chicks said something about how questioning orders would make their whole operation meaningless. There must be something big behind that kind of blind faith. I knew Desmond would eventually come to Charlie's rescue again, but that harpoon shot was more badass than I expected from the former monk. Right away you had to guess that Mikhail wouldn't stay dead for long, though. Some things about Charlie's predicament were too irritating to be as sad as it would have been last week. I don't get why he decided to enter the "Good Vibrations" code before he had the diving gear on. also. Also, I think he could have been quicker about getting Desmond to see Penny on the screen. And if Charlie had enough time to close the door, couldn't he have done that from the outside of the chamber? And why didn't he try to take a big breath and swim out of the portal? Anyway, so it's not Penny's boat. Which is possibly enough to make me kinda, sorta believe Ben that Naomi's people might not be the kind of rescue the 815-ers were hoping for.

Moving on to the three Rambos, Sayid, Jin and Bernard. I'm so curious about how Bernard and Jin became good shots. Rose said something about Bernard skeet shooting. But I don't think Jin had much time for target practice in his years as a bellboy or as a thug. That could be why he didn't hit the dynamite, or it could be that he had a little pistol while the others had nice, long rifles. He was willing to give his life for that bad aim. Bernard, however, caved within two seconds and gave up his wife's whereabouts to save Jin's life. Yeah, you are just a dentist, my friend. Rose really got some of the best lines of the night: "If I told you I'd help with your SOS sign, would you reconsider?" and "If you say, 'Live together, die alone,' Jack, I'm going to punch you in your face." (I guess she doesn't remember all the trite messages of hope she was giving to the gang back in Season 1.)

Sawyer and Juliet made for quite the awkward, unarmed, directionless team. Can't blame them for thinking Hurley would hold them back. But ha! He and Roger Work Man's VW van saved the day! I knew that thing would come in handy sometime. More badassness: Hurley ran over one guy and sent him flying, it looked like Sayid broke another guy's neck with his legs, then Sawyer shot the surrendered Tom point blank as revenge, he said, for taking Walt. Kate's right: Sawyer's meeting with his namesake seems to have changed him back to the hardened soul he was before the island.

Now Jack confused me left and right. Kissing Juliet one minute, telling Kate he loves her and then walking away, jumping back and forth through time.... Holy crap, was that some excellent acting from Matthew Fox when he thought he caused the death of Sayid, Jin and Bernard. (Not quite the same caliber of performance going on with Danielle and Alex's reunion, though; it was all stiffness, punctuated by Danielle's "Want to help me tie him up?") In the end, the biggest showdown was between Jack and Locke, who's been revived by the island and inspired by Walt. Maybe that was actually Jacob, being manifested to Locke by Walt (who seems a good eight years older than he did two years ago). Ben really has a good point about the survivors: None of them has a whole lot to go home to.

And that, of course leads us to the big "snake in the mailbox": that Jack's bedraggled flashback was actually a flash-forward. Unfortunately, I had a sneaking suspicion all along that that would be the twist because A) I couldn't see any other reason we'd bother going back to revisit Jack's daddy and wife problems, and B) that cell phone he was using looked way too sleek to be pre-2004. Please don't let Jack's beard become a trend in the future (or is that our present?); I had to replay the first scene of the episode because I was laughing so hard at that shrubbery on his face. Wow, was Jack a mess, still trying to make his own problems go away by playing hero, and downing pills. Also by meeting up with Future Kate, who for once was way more together than her old pal.

Now for the as-yet-unanswerable questions:
Will the show continue on in this post-rescue present/future? Will the rest of the island story become the flashback? Or will they get to have a do-over like Desmond's and end up back at the island? In which case, can Charlie be saved? What are the Others doing at the temple? Who is this person Future Kate is worried about making suspicious of her whereabouts? Who was in that coffin? Who was Naomi working for? What does Penny have to do with anything? And how freaking long do we have to wait until next season?!?
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#52 Postby O Town » Thu May 24, 2007 8:16 am

That was an insane last episode. 9 months is going to seem like an eternity. RIP Charlie.

fact789 wrote:Well we kno Kate and Jack get off the island.

So we think. What got me thinking about it is when Jack is in the hospital and he is getting questioned by that new doctor asking him how drunk he was (in the flashback or flashfoward). And Jack replying you get my dad in here and if I am drunker than him then you can fire me or I will quit. Can't remeber which he said at the end. Well if it was the future his dad wouldn't be there. Right? Or did the island bring everyone on it back dead or alive? Hmmmm.......
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#53 Postby Canelaw99 » Thu May 24, 2007 10:19 am

Ugh! So many questions and SOOOOOO long till we even start getting some answers. I must admit, I was wondering why Charlie didn't just swim out the hole too. That whole thing didn't really make sense to me, but whatever - the writers wanted to kill him off, so be it....

The whole flashback/forward/sideways/who knows thing was blowing my mind. I hate Jack's scruffiness - he's definitely better looking on the island so keep him there! LOL As for who was in the coffin - hard to know. It really didn't seem like the best part of town, so I don't know. I can't imagine that someone would've died and no one from the island showed up. Even if Ben were the one, you'd think some of his loyal peeps would make an appearance, but maybe not. I really hope that the whole flash scenes were just a dream...Jack thinking through things that might happen if he misses his opportunity with Kate, etc. I can't imagine him all doped up and on alcohol like that.

ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! Now the long, horrific wait till Jan/Feb. :grrr:
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#54 Postby JonathanBelles » Thu May 24, 2007 10:31 am

I now think Jacks father was in the casket. I think Jack couldnt get over it and belives his father is still alive and began taking drugs.
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#55 Postby Brent » Thu May 24, 2007 11:02 am

Lost (two-hour season finale)
- 13.655 million viewers
- 7.9/13 HH
- 5.8/15 A18-49

Down about 25% from last year. Idol was down too, but still more than doubled that."Idol" increased to 19.1/30 in its second hour as Jordin Sparks was crowned this year's champ. ABC moved up to second with the "Lost" season finale, 7.3/11. A "Criminal Minds" rerun was third for CBS, while NBC's movie drew a 2.9/5 for the hour. A second "One Tree Hill" aired on The CW.

At 10 p.m., the "Lost" finale improved to 8.6/14 to give ABC the lead. CBS got a 7.1/12 from a "CSI: NY" rerun, while Ann Curry's interview with Angelina Jolie on "Dateline NBC" managed only a 3.3/6.

Those numbers are awfully low, but it was up over the past few weeks. The clip show did horrible at 8.
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#56 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 24, 2007 11:54 am

Another online review, this one from CNN. I had to crack up at our description "smitten viewers".....are we smitten? LOL

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/2 ... index.html
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#57 Postby southerngale » Thu May 24, 2007 12:42 pm

I wondered why Charlie didn't crawl through the hole at first too, but Desmond said that everything had to happen as it appeared in the premonition for everyone to get rescued. Everything else had come true so far, so I think that he felt he had to carry it out to save Claire and everyone else. I will miss Charlie. :(

Maybe the "flash forward" wasn't really a flash forward, but is in NOW time and everything on the island is a flashback. I can tell you this... if that's how Jack turns out after they leave the island, and after all he's done for Kate and professed his love to her with no expectations, she can't talk to him for more than 5 minutes, I don't want them to get off the island!

Maybe Kate is going home to Sawyer, who she made a life with, because she's pregnant. If so, poor Jack.

GO HURLEY! You da man!


How does One-Eye keep escaping death?
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#58 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 24, 2007 12:46 pm

Because One-Eye is like Darth Vadar, he keeps surviving and coming back for more. Sorry, have Star Wars on the brain but when he was outside the sub with the granade it reminded me of DV somehow, when he escapes into outer space in the first movie (IV). A villian doesn't really die. LOL
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#59 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu May 24, 2007 1:53 pm

I do NOT think this was a flash forward

Kate would have been arrested as she was wanted for capital murder.

I got the feeling that Jack is the true villian here. He seemed to know what would happen with the satellite phone and exactly who he was calling. He may have made a return to the island to help locate it for whoever

Besides, it was reported that Oceanic went out of business after the disappearance.

Jack and Kate knew what they were doing all along and may have got everyone killed (if an interview from Michael Emerson reported the truth, this may be more likely as he said we will have wished Ben would have been far badder than he currently has)
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#60 Postby lurkey » Thu May 24, 2007 2:22 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:I do NOT think this was a flash forward

Kate would have been arrested as she was wanted for capital murder.

I got the feeling that Jack is the true villian here. He seemed to know what would happen with the satellite phone and exactly who he was calling. He may have made a return to the island to help locate it for whoever

Besides, it was reported that Oceanic went out of business after the disappearance.

Jack and Kate knew what they were doing all along and may have got everyone killed (if an interview from Michael Emerson reported the truth, this may be more likely as he said we will have wished Ben would have been far badder than he currently has)


Do you think they are in an alternate timeline, like Desmond? And if it was a flash forward, how do you explain the cellphone? KRAZRs were not available in 2004. Regarding Michael Emerson's interview, wasn't he refering to Jacob?
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