Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

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Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#1 Postby tailgater » Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:33 pm

Naked swirl alert!
It's in a lot of dry air right now. I don't know if conditions will remain unfavorable or not, maybe 1 of the pro mets could chime in?
It looks to moving WNW right now.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/SATA ... 1/vis0.gif
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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#2 Postby tailgater » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:19 pm

Well it's getting into a area with more moisture but there's a lot shear out there also, it would have to fight through.
http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/GOES0 ... a7I3ha.jpg

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http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... wg8sht.GIF
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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#3 Postby tailgater » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:06 am

I'm surprised there's been no mention of this little system yet. Guess they see all the shear it's headed into. does anyone have a good shear forecast?
Never mind I just looked at WV loop and if it doesn' t do it today it probably won't. It's headed for the teeth of a ULT. Guess that's why we don't see development in this region this time of year often.
http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/GOES0 ... FHF7ya.jpg
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#4 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:13 am

actually there is some modest increase in convection this morning .. maybe something to watch if the trend continues. there is still a ULL in the area.. ssts are fine its only the dry air and ULL , shear.. but hey there is some convection with now.. so i'll watch it..
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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#5 Postby tailgater » Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:40 am

Early morning visible loop shows fairly well define LLc that is being sheared alot. Check out this still and the shadow of T-storm near center is pretty cool.
http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/GOES1 ... 60Yafe.jpg
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http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/SATA ... 1/vis0.gif
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#6 Postby Dean4Storms » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:18 am

Interesting little feature. But like you say, alot of present and future Shear.
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#7 Postby skysummit » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:26 am

Are you all talking about these....b/c there are 3 pretty close to each other. Pretty neat satellite feature.

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#8 Postby Cyclone1 » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:31 pm

Whoa cool! Haven't seen anything like that before.
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#9 Postby tailgater » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:23 pm

[quote="skysummit"]Are you all talking about these....b/c there are 3 pretty close to each other. Pretty neat satellite feature.

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Hey yeah, I was talking about #1 and it's getting pound right now and I'll give it almost no chance at development since it"s turning more to the NW now and should stay in hostile conditions for it's remaining life span.

http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/GOES2 ... To8qyG.jpg" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
These swirls or eddies seem to be being kicked out by the ULL to the east every so often, is this rare? anyone.
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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#10 Postby WindRunner » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:26 pm

Rare? Not really . . . for them to last this long? Yeah, kinda. #1 is actually a TD by definition, albeit sheared. It's just so small/sheared/weak/worthless, there's no point in mentioning it.
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#11 Postby Cyclone1 » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:58 pm

No Point?! Of course it need to be recorded! Wake up NHC!

(If that really is a TD)
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#12 Postby WindRunner » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:11 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:No Point?! Of course it need to be recorded! Wake up NHC!

(If that really is a TD)


Something that small . . . nahh, Beven really wrote it off this afternoon. If it ever gets out from underneath that shear, it may have a chance. Until then . . . just enjoy what you have, and that's a nice beautiful naked swirl with some high streamers quickly blowing over it :wink:
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#13 Postby Cyclone1 » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:12 pm

WindRunner wrote:
Cyclone1 wrote:No Point?! Of course it need to be recorded! Wake up NHC!

(If that really is a TD)


Something that small . . . nahh, Beven really wrote it off this afternoon. If it ever gets out from underneath that shear, it may have a chance. Until then . . . just enjoy what you have, and that's a nice beautiful naked swirl with some high streamers quickly blowing over it :wink:


Ok, but you should have never told me about how it was a TD by definition. Now I won't sleep tonight. :eek:
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#14 Postby WindRunner » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:22 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:
WindRunner wrote:
Cyclone1 wrote:No Point?! Of course it need to be recorded! Wake up NHC!

(If that really is a TD)


Something that small . . . nahh, Beven really wrote it off this afternoon. If it ever gets out from underneath that shear, it may have a chance. Until then . . . just enjoy what you have, and that's a nice beautiful naked swirl with some high streamers quickly blowing over it :wink:


Ok, but you should have never told me about how it was a TD by definition. Now I won't sleep tonight. :eek:


Haha . . . it's not worth losing sleep over! It should still be there in the morning, anyway. Whether or not it has any convection is another matter. For now, it is still a TD, but it's just not anything the TPC would ever classify. Almost like what the IMD is pulling right now, but nowhere near as bad. Just know that there are several groups of people watching it in case anything does happen.

And anyway, the winds aren't enough to support a classification even if they wanted to. It'd be a rare sight to see advisories on a 20kt system . . .
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#15 Postby Cyclone1 » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:26 pm

WindRunner wrote:
Haha . . . it's not worth losing sleep over! It should still be there in the morning, anyway. Whether or not it has any convection is another matter. For now, it is still a TD, but it's just not anything the TPC would ever classify. Almost like what the IMD is pulling right now, but nowhere near as bad. Just know that there are several groups of people watching it in case anything does happen.

And anyway, the winds aren't enough to support a classification even if they wanted to. It'd be a rare sight to see advisories on a 20kt system . . .


I guess you're right.
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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#16 Postby littlevince » Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:19 am

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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#17 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:12 am

These three LLC are much more interesting then "95L". The one farthest to the west looks pretty good overall, but has to deal with 25-30 knot shear. Also water vapor shows a upper low close to it....Interesting system,,,in if it doe's form more convection to the center, it would not suprize me to see it named....
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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#18 Postby windstorm99 » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:57 am

Interesting little feature...

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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#19 Postby tailgater » Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:05 am

A little surprised this morning this system is holding together better than I thought it would. I have a question, what would this system be if it were in the GOM?
A Nothing, as it is now.
B Invest
C Invest with a plane to check it out.
D TD
E Weak sheared TS
I am not bashing the NHC at all! It will probably get picked by the front to the north or sit there drifting in less than ideal conditions.
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/SATA ... 1/vis0.gif" target="_blank
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Re: Low level circ. @ 25N 55W

#20 Postby Nimbus » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:05 am

The ULL is blowing this north over cooler SST's.

Is there any Quikscat evidence showing low level winds?
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