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Re: SE TX / SW LA Discussion - Heavy Rain Threat

#161 Postby Yankeegirl » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:43 pm

And so it begins..... :double: :double:
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#162 Postby JenBayles » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:03 pm

I hear ya yankee. Seeing the HGX radar lighting up AFTER sundown isn't giving me a warm fuzzy.
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#163 Postby TexasSam » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:24 pm

I have noticed some lightning just to my South, here in Baytown.
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#164 Postby Stratosphere747 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:35 pm

There obviously is a new forecaster at KHGX. Not sure how long they have been there, but the amount of updates and quality of the discos is very impressive. This is the second update of the evening.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
905 PM CDT TUE JUL 3 2007

.DISCUSSION...
00Z SOUNDINGS SHOW PWS AROUND 2.05 INCHES. 850 MB DEW PTS ARE
BETWEEN 15-18 C AND 700 MB DEW PTS ARE BETWEEN 5-7 C. SATELLITE
DERIVED WINDS SHOW 250 MB WINDS BROADLY DIVERGENT. KHGX VWP
SUPPORTS 850 MB WINDS OF 20-25 KTS SO INFLOW NOT MUCH OF A
PROBLEM. NEW GUIDANCE HAS NOT ARRIVED...BUT OOZ UPPER AIR DATA
SUPPORTS HEAVY RAIN OVERNIGHT. NAM AND GFS DIFFER SIGNIFICANTLY AT
850 MB. THE GFS DEVELOPS AN 850 LOW AND MOVES IT NORTH JUST WEST OF
HOUSTON OVERNIGHT. THE NAM IS MUCH WEAKER WITH THE 850 WIND FIELD
AND TAKES A BROAD CIRCULATION NORTH OVER CENTRAL TEXAS. NEITHER
MODEL HAS A GOOD HANDLE ON THE CURRENT PRECIP SHIELD. THE 4 KM WRF
IS THE ONLY MODEL TO HAVE A HANDLE ON THE CURRENT PRECIP AND WILL
CONTINUE TO ACCEPT THE WRF SOLN. SO HEAVY RAIN SHOULD DEVELOP IN
THE TWO TIERS OF COUNTIES NEAR THE COAST WITH PERIODS OF HEAVY
RAIN BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 8 AM. IT LOOKS LIKE WIDESPREAD 2 TO 3
INCHES WITH SOME ISOLATED TOTALS BETWEEN 6 AND 8 INCHES. WILL
PROBABLY SEND ANOTHER UPDATE ONCE 00Z MODEL DATA ARRIVES. 43
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Re: SE TX / SW LA Discussion - Heavy Rain Threat

#165 Postby southerngale » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:06 pm

FLOOD WATCH
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
948 PM CDT TUE JUL 3 2007

...INDEPENDENCE DAY LOOKS VERY WET...

.RICH CARIBBEAN AIR CONTINUES TO RIDE IN ON PERSISTENT SOUTHERLY
WINDS. THE COMBINATION OF DEEP MOISTURE, FAVORABLE DYNAMICS ALOFT,
AND PERSISTENT LIFT WILL GENERATE WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS ON THE FOURTH-OF-JULY. THIS CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY
WILL TAPER OFF DURING THE EVENING HOURS..

TXZ180>182-201-215-216-041100-
/O.NEW.KLCH.FF.A.0003.070704T1100Z-070705T0000Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/
TYLER-JASPER-NEWTON-HARDIN-JEFFERSON-ORANGE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WOODVILLE...JASPER...NEWTON...
LUMBERTON...BEAUMONT/PORT ARTHUR...ORANGE
948 PM CDT TUE JUL 3 2007

...FLASH FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM CDT WEDNESDAY THROUGH
WEDNESDAY EVENING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LAKE CHARLES HAS ISSUED A

* FLASH FLOOD WATCH FOR A PORTION OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS...INCLUDING
THE FOLLOWING AREAS...HARDIN...JASPER...JEFFERSON...NEWTON...
ORANGE AND TYLER.

* FROM 6 AM CDT WEDNESDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY EVENING

* WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED ON
INDEPENDENCE DAY...AS A STATIONARY LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM ACROSS
CENTRAL TEXAS ABRUPTLY LIFTS RICH CARIBBEAN AIR STREAMING IN ON
PERSISTENT SOUTHERLY WINDS. MEAN AREAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS ENDING
WEDNESDAY EVENING...WILL RANGE FROM 2 TO 3 INCHES. ISOLATED
RAINFALL AMOUNTS MAY RANGE FROM 4 TO 6 INCHES.

* A FLASH FLOOD WATCH MEANS RAPIDLY RISING WATER OR FLOODING IS
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. IF YOU ARE IN THE WATCH AREA...
CHECK PREPAREDNESS REQUIREMENTS...KEEP INFORMED...AND BE READY
FOR QUICK ACTION IF FLASH FLOODING IS OBSERVED OR IF A WARNING
IS ISSUED.

A FLASH FLOOD WATCH MEANS THAT CONDITIONS MAY DEVELOP THAT LEAD
TO FLASH FLOODING. FLASH FLOODING IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

YOU SHOULD MONITOR LATER FORECASTS AND BE PREPARED TO TAKE ACTION
SHOULD FLASH FLOOD WARNINGS BE ISSUED.
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Re: SE TX / SW LA Discussion - Heavy Rain Threat

#166 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:40 pm

What is "interesting" about the radar right now is the fact that guidance suggests most of the convection tonight would be very heavy and would be West of I-45. Obviously at this point that is not the case since the rains are moving in from the SE to SSE basically along I-45 and there is almost nothing in the way of convection in the "favored" area. Me thinks this whole situation needs to be watched for a while. Bed now seems far off. Good thing I don't have to work tomorrow.
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#167 Postby jasons2k » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:06 pm

I'm watching it too. It's really cranking up offshore from Freeport to Sabine Pass. Wouldn't be surprised if this is another one of those cases where it does the exact opposite of what's predicted and concentrates more in the eastern portions of SE Texas.
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#168 Postby wxman22 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:54 pm

Looks like the rain is pushing more and more indland and it also looks like thers some training going on in east Chambers county. (Also if you look closely along the coast you can clearly see that the rain is slowly building westward....

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/00/index_slp_m_loop.shtml
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Re: SE TX / SW LA Discussion - Heavy Rain Threat

#169 Postby Yankeegirl » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:23 am

Looks to me like all of this mess is going to stay well east of here.... Going to bed now, maybe things will change by the morning.... but im not too optimistic....
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#170 Postby southerngale » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:58 am

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#171 Postby southerngale » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:33 am

KFDM in Beaumont rain rate: 5.04" per hour! :eek:

It could have been higher. That was the first time my sister checked. I checked several in Beaumont and several stations with rain rates over 3" per hour. It's POURING here. Lots of thunder and lightning too.
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#172 Postby southerngale » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:49 am

Well, they backed up the flood watch that was supposed to start at 6am because, well, I'd imagine there's already some street flooding at least. There's still a lot more developing and heading this way as well.

This is over an hour old, but I just saw it. They changed our 30% chance of rain overnight to 100% heavy rain too.

FLOOD WATCH
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
1234 AM CDT WED JUL 4 2007

...INDEPENDENCE DAY LOOKS VERY WET...

.RICH CARIBBEAN AIR CONTINUES TO USHER INTO THE AREA ON
PERSISTENT SOUTHERLY WINDS. THE COMBINATION OF DEEP MOISTURE...
FAVORABLE DYNAMICS ALOFT... AND PERSISTENT LIFT WILL GENERATE
WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ON INDEPENDENCE DAY. THIS
ACTIVITY IS EXPECTED TO TAPER OFF DURING THE EVENING HOURS.

TXZ180>182-201-215-216-041345-
/O.EXT.KLCH.FF.A.0003.070704T0600Z-070705T0000Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/
TYLER-JASPER-NEWTON-HARDIN-JEFFERSON-ORANGE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WOODVILLE...JASPER...NEWTON...
LUMBERTON...BEAUMONT/PORT ARTHUR...ORANGE
1234 AM CDT WED JUL 4 2007

...FLASH FLOOD WATCH NOW IN EFFECT THROUGH THIS EVENING...

THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH IS NOW IN EFFECT FOR

* A PORTION OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS...INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING AREAS...
HARDIN...JASPER...JEFFERSON...NEWTON...ORANGE AND TYLER.

* THROUGH WEDNESDAY EVENING

* NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED ACROSS
SOUTHEAST TEXAS EARLY THIS MORNING. ADDITIONAL WIDESPREAD
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED ON INDEPENDENCE DAY...AS
A STATIONARY LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM ACROSS CENTRAL TEXAS USHERS IN
CARIBBEAN MOISTURE ON PERSISTENT SOUTHERLY WINDS. MEAN AREAL
RAINFALL AMOUNTS ENDING WEDNESDAY EVENING WILL RANGE FROM 2 TO
3 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED RAINFALL AMOUNTS MAY RANGE FROM 4 TO 6
INCHES.

* A FLASH FLOOD WATCH MEANS RAPIDLY RISING WATER OR FLOODING IS
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. IF YOU ARE IN THE WATCH AREA...
CHECK PREPAREDNESS REQUIREMENTS...KEEP INFORMED...AND BE
READY FOR QUICK ACTION IF FLASH FLOODING IS OBSERVED OR IF A
WARNING IS ISSUED.

A FLASH FLOOD WATCH MEANS THAT CONDITIONS MAY DEVELOP THAT LEAD
TO FLASH FLOODING. FLASH FLOODING IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

YOU SHOULD MONITOR LATER FORECASTS AND BE PREPARED TO TAKE ACTION
SHOULD FLASH FLOOD WARNINGS BE ISSUED.

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Re: SE TX / SW LA Discussion - Heavy Rain Threat

#173 Postby southerngale » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:44 am

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
434 AM CDT WED JUL 4 2007

...HEAVY RAINFALL AND POTENTIAL FLOODING A THREAT TODAY...

.SHORT TERM...

FLASH FLOOD WATCH FOR SOUTHEAST TEXAS HAS BEEN EXPANDED INTO THE
WESTERN TIER OF LOUISIANA PARISHES FOR TODAY AS NUMEROUS SHOWERS
AND THUNDERSTORMS CONTINUE TO DEVELOP OFFSHORE AND MOVE INLAND.
FLOODING A DD6 RAIN GAGES IN JEFFERSON COUNTY SHOW WIDESPREAD 1
TO 4 INCH RAINFALL TOTALS HAVE ALREADY FALLEN...WITH ADDITIONAL
ACTIVITY EXTENDING WELL OUT INTO THE GULF AND MOVING ONSHORE.
LAPS
ANALYSIS INDICATES DEEP MOISTURE CONVERGENCE CENTERED JUST EAST OF
THE SABINE RIVER AT THE MOMENT...AND GFS INDICATES BEST
COMBINATION OF LIFT AND MOISTURE WILL GENERALLY BE ALONG AND WEST
OF THE HIGHWAY 171 CORRIDOR TODAY. ISOLATED RAINFALL TOTALS ACROSS
SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE WATCH...ESPECIALLY JEFFERSON/ORANGE
COUNTIES AND WESTERN CALCASIEU/CAMERON PARISHES...MAY REACH UP TO
8 INCHES.


WITH THE WIDESPREAD PRECIPITATION EXPECTED HAVE RAISED POPS TO
CATEGORICAL AREAWIDE TODAY WITH HIGHEST POPS IN THE WATCH AREA.
WIDESPREAD CLOUD COVER WILL ALSO LIMIT HEATING SOMEWHAT SO HAVE
LOWERED HIGHS FOR TODAY. UPPER LOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HEAVY
RAINFALL THREAT CURRENTLY SHOWN ON WATER VAPOR IMAGERY ACROSS
CENTRAL TEXAS. GFS SUFFERING FROM CONVECTIVE FEEDBACK BUT SHOWING
ONE STRONG VORT MAX ROTATING NORTHWARD AROUND THE LOW AND MOVING
ACROSS SOUTHEAST TEXAS THIS MORNING...WITH ANOTHER FURTHER TO THE
WEST ACROSS THE HOUSTON CWA LATER TODAY. AS DAYTIME HEATING BEGINS
LATER THIS MORNING EXPECTING ACTIVITY TO DEVELOP FURTHER EASTWARD
ACROSS ACADIANA AND SPREAD NORTHWARD INTO CENTRAL LOUISIANA AS
WELL.

ACTIVITY SHOULD TAPER OFF THIS EVENING WITH LOSS OF DAYTIME
HEATING AND AS INSTABILITY GETS EXHAUSTED BY THE WIDESPREAD
CONVECTION TODAY. LOOKS LIKE A CLOSE CALL FOR EVENING FIREWORKS
SHOWS AS GFS REMAINS WET ACROSS SOUTHEAST TEXAS BUT NAM DRIES
THINGS OUT ALL ACROSS THE AREA IN THE 00-03Z TIMEFRAME.
MORE ACTIVITY LIKELY TO DEVELOP OVERNIGHT IN THE GULF AND SPREAD
INLAND ONCE AGAIN TOMORROW...ALTHOUGH COVERAGE AT THIS TIME NOT
EXPECTED TO BE AS WIDESPREAD AS TODAY.



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


FLOOD WATCH
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
400 AM CDT WED JUL 4 2007

...A VERY WET FOURTH OF JULY EXPECTED...

.A STATIONARY AREA OF LOW PRESSURE ACROSS CENTRAL TEXAS IS
PUMPING DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE INTO SOUTHEAST TEXAS AND SOUTHWEST
LOUISIANA. THE COMBINATION OF DEEP MOISTURE CONVERGENCE...FAVORABLE
UPPER LEVEL DYNAMICS...AND PERSISTENT LIFT WILL CONTINUE TO
GENERATE WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ON INDEPENDENCE DAY.
THIS ACTIVITY IS EXPECTED TO TAPER OFF DURING THE EVENING HOURS.

TXZ180>182-201-215-216-050000-
/O.CON.KLCH.FF.A.0003.000000T0000Z-070705T0000Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/
TYLER-JASPER-NEWTON-HARDIN-JEFFERSON-ORANGE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WOODVILLE...JASPER...NEWTON...
LUMBERTON...BEAUMONT/PORT ARTHUR...ORANGE
400 AM CDT WED JUL 4 2007

...FLASH FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGH THIS EVENING...

THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR

* ALL OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS...INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING AREAS...
HARDIN...JASPER...JEFFERSON...NEWTON...ORANGE AND TYLER COUNTIES.

* THROUGH WEDNESDAY EVENING

* NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN AFFECTING
SOUTHEAST TEXAS THIS MORNING...WITH WIDESPREAD RAINFALL TOTALS
OF 1 TO 3 INCHES WITH ISOLATED TOTALS OF UP TO 5 INCHES SINCE
MIDNIGHT. ADDITIONAL SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO
AFFECT THE REGION THROUGHOUT THE DAY...AS A STATIONARY LOW
PRESSURE SYSTEM ACROSS CENTRAL TEXAS USHERS IN DEEP TROPICAL
MOISTURE INTO SOUTHEAST TEXAS. MEAN AREAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS
ENDING WEDNESDAY EVENING WILL RANGE FROM 2 TO 4 INCHES...WITH
ISOLATED RAINFALL AMOUNTS REACHING FROM 5 TO 8 INCHES.

* A FLASH FLOOD WATCH MEANS RAPIDLY RISING WATER OR FLOODING IS
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. IF YOU ARE IN THE WATCH AREA...
CHECK PREPAREDNESS REQUIREMENTS...KEEP INFORMED...AND BE READY
FOR QUICK ACTION IF FLASH FLOODING IS OBSERVED OR IF A WARNING
IS ISSUED.

A FLASH FLOOD WATCH MEANS THAT CONDITIONS MAY DEVELOP THAT LEAD
TO FLASH FLOODING. FLASH FLOODING IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

YOU SHOULD MONITOR LATER FORECASTS AND BE PREPARED TO TAKE ACTION
SHOULD FLASH FLOOD WARNINGS BE ISSUED.
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#174 Postby jasons2k » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:56 am

Happy 4th everyone!!!!!!!!!

That is one gigantic MCS/blob of rain!

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Re: SE TX / SW LA Discussion - Heavy Rain Threat

#175 Postby Johnny » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:07 am

My gosh that's a crap load of water!! I don't think I've seen a BLOB that big before? I was expecting rain overnight but have yet to see a drop. It looks like that is about to change in a dramatic way. It looks like this 4th of July could see some serious fireworks. Happy 4th everyone! :flag:
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#176 Postby JenBayles » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:27 am

The Blob that Drowned the South on Independence Day! Thanking my lucky stars the rain just can't make up its mind to cross I-10 - I've at least got the fire in the smoker started. Gonna be one smelly Cook here after running in and out of the rain for hours just to go Pit Diving. :lol:
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#177 Postby Stratosphere747 » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:37 am

Quick update. At least for the coastal counties, this is shaping up for a decent rain event. I've received close to four inches in the last 24 hrs, and some hefty bands are beginning to work its way from the Gulf.

May not be limited to the coast either, looks to be slowly moving towards Houston metro.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
922 AM CDT WED JUL 4 2007

...HEAVY RAINFALL POTENTIAL TO CONTINUE FOR SOUTHEAST TEXAS...

.DISCUSSION...
SENT QUICK UPDATE TO THE FORECAST AS OFFSHORE THUNDERSTORM
ACTIVITY CREAPS NORTHWARD THIS MORNING. MAINLY JUST CRANKED UP
POPS TO 90-100 PERCENT ALONG THE COAST AS THUNDERSTORMS ALONG
WEAK BOUNDARY SLOWLY PUSH NORTH WITHIN A 25-30KT LLJ AXIS. EXPECT
HEAVY RAINFALL THE BE THE MAIN THREAT FOR MUCH OF INDEPENDENCE
DAY ESPECAILLY ALONG THE COAST. MAIN FORECAST CONCERN WILL BE THE
NORTHWARD PROGRESS OF THE CONVECTION DURING THE DAY. WILL
CONTINUE TO MONITOR FOR NOW AND UPDATE ACCORDINGLY. WILL CONSIDER
EXTENDING THE FLOOD WATCH INTO TONIGHT AND THURSDAY.
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#178 Postby JenBayles » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:21 am

I've been radar-watching for a couple of hours now, and I don't think I've ever seen that large of a rain area just SIT in the same area, unmoving, for so long. Hope you folks south of I-10 have your chest waders ready today. :eek:
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#179 Postby jasons2k » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:31 am

Well I have two racks of ribs sitting in the fridge and unfortunately they will stay there until this weekend. It's starting to rain here now and this is my cutoff before I can get them into the smoker and still eat at a reasonable time. I guess it's time to hunt the cookbook for something indoors :(
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#180 Postby southerngale » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:48 am

I hear ya, Jason. No grilling over here either. I think we're gonna do cold cuts. It won't ruin our meal if the power goes out. I guess I can put away the sunscreen and bathing suits too.... just like the 4th last year. Deja vu.
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