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Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#1 Postby Sanibel » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:06 am

Mods: Feel free to delete this if you think it is wrong, but my eye is saying tropical formation is happening under that blob off Tampico. I think the board could be late on this.

(If I'm wrong zap this and save me the embarrassment.)
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#2 Postby HouTXmetro » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:18 am

I was thinking the same thing...
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#3 Postby TexWx » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:22 am

While I think I see it....
It shouldn't last too long moving NNW, correct?
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#4 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:00 pm

This from the EPAC GTWO:
1. CLOUDINESS AND THUNDERSTORMS ALONG THE COAST OF MEXICO FROM
ZIHUATANEJO TO MAZATLAN ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE AND A
NORTHWARD EXTENSION OF THE INTERTROPICAL CONVERGENCE ZONE. THERE
ARE NO SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION AND DEVELOPMENT IS UNLIKELY DUE TO
PROXIMITY TO LAND. HOWEVER...LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS ARE POSSIBLE
ALONG PORTIONS OF THE WEST COAST OF MEXICO OVER THE NEXT DAY OR
TWO.


It looks like the same system or may have originated at one point from the same system. I do believe this has a chance; however, slight because of the proximity to land.
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#5 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:58 pm

No need to delete. I have been looking at it and I see no signs of anything at this time. No turning, etc. except around the ULL to the West in Northern Mexico. I won't say nothing will happen in the next 48 hours, but even with the incoming waves from the SE I don't expect it. I haven't looked at a shear chart, but the clouds tell me there is still too much for anything to pop, at least in the short term.
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#6 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:09 pm

Staring long and hard, I don't see any element of a west wind near the blob by Tampico. CIMSS wind shear is somewhere between 10 and 20 knots, marginally favorable, but if it did develop a circulation there, it would start ingesting dry air off the Sierra Madre.


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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#7 Postby Sanibel » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:48 am

I think something was organizing there from the look of the swirl over northern Mexico well east of the dry ULL over central Mexico - but it makes no difference since it pushed over land. The shape and quality of the convection bursts are sometimes the best indicator. I'd bet if this happened more east it would have developed.
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#8 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:24 am

Sanibel wrote:I think something was organizing there from the look of the swirl over northern Mexico well east of the dry ULL over central Mexico - but it makes no difference since it pushed over land. The shape and quality of the convection bursts are sometimes the best indicator. I'd bet if this happened more east it would have developed.



Dr. Neil Frank on the late local news said if the center had been over water for a day, he thinks it would have become a TC.
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#9 Postby Steve » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:51 pm

I agree with Dr. Frank. We just had an "arm" come through the area and you can easily see it on the New Orleans radar. It looks similar to a seabreeze front, but it is none such beast.

Here you go:

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... 1&loop=yes
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#10 Postby srainhoutx » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:58 pm

Steve wrote:I agree with Dr. Frank. We just had an "arm" come through the area and you can easily see it on the New Orleans radar. It looks similar to a seabreeze front, but it is none such beast.

Here you go:

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... 1&loop=yes


and yet another one approaching Upper and Middle TX Coast...

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?prod ... X&loop=yes
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#11 Postby Sanibel » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:00 pm

Those round, deep bursts rarely lie. Moved inland - otherwise this energy is telling you what it would have done over water.
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#12 Postby Steve » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:05 pm

Not sure how to link images since they aren't hosted, but here's a shot of a waterspout that was just over Lake Pontchartrain about :30 ago with the passage of that band:

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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#13 Postby Steve » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:06 pm

And here's the link to the NOLA (Times Picayune) blog which has another shot of that spout:

http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/200 ... chart.html
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Re: Tampico Cyclogenesis?

#14 Postby Berwick Bay » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:18 pm

Thats a beautiful shot, Steve! And thats no wimpy looking waterspout either, that "sucker's" got some beef on him!
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#15 Postby WindRunner » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:51 pm

This had a good mid-level spin to it, very similar to 98L at the end of July last year. And yes, if it had stayed over water, this could have very easily spun down to the surface. The clouds mentioned in the EPAC TWO are more like a moisture inflow band than a potential tropical system. I guess they mentioned it for the rainfall, but, in general, this should have gotten a mention in the ATL TWO at some point, even though it had little chance of staying over water.
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