Invest 97L near Bermuda

[fci]

At least there's some little resemblance to that sub-tropical depression pictured next to it. 'Cause I really do hope that this was/is a legitimate invest. If not, I think it would be a poor decision on their part to label it as such.

I'm sorry to belabor this point but what makes this a "poor decision"?
Who is harmed when the NHC deems an area to need further investigation by deeming it an "invest".
I would think that just by using the term "Invest" it means that they may choose to investigate it.

No warnings are issued, no advisories, no panic, just an area to investigate.
So where is the harm if an area is looked at as debatable by weather enthusiasts?

Like I said in my previous post, people need to chill out on this.
There HAVE to be more important tasks on people's plates then to argue over the validity of an "invest"!
In addition, there is no erosion of "confidence" in the NHC ased on Invests.
Come on!

No harm...... No foul......

[Bane]

At least there's some little resemblance to that sub-tropical depression pictured next to it. 'Cause I really do hope that this was/is a legitimate invest. If not, I think it would be a poor decision on their part to label it as such.

I'm sorry to belabor this point but what makes this a "poor decision"?
Who is harmed when the NHC deems an area to need further investigation by deeming it an "invest".
I would think that just by using the term "Invest" it means that they may choose to investigate it.

No warnings are issued, no advisories, no panic, just an area to investigate.
So where is the harm if an area is looked at as debatable by weather enthusiasts?

Like I said in my previous post, people need to chill out on this.
There HAVE to be more important tasks on people's plates then to argue over the validity of an "invest"!
In addition, there is no erosion of "confidence" in the NHC ased on Invests.
Come on!

No harm...... No foul......

100 % agree. There are so many here that just take away the enjoyment of this site.

[Berwick Bay]

I totally agree that there is absolutely no harm at all in an invest being carried out that might be worthy of debate by some. Heck, when the Invest was first announced, It didn't even occur to me to question it. I only became concerned after very knowledgeable people said that it wasn't a real invest. In other words the objective was not to investigate for possible development but to conduct a dry run on some of the information they are receiving. If that is the case, that they aren't actually investigating for possible development, then I don't think that they should call it an "invest". If there is some other purpose, then I think that should be announced (a test or whatever).

[harmclan]

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I totally agree that there is absolutely no harm at all in an invest being carried out that might be worthy of debate by some. Heck, when the Invest was first announced, It didn't even occur to me to question it. I only became concerned after very knowledgeable people said that it wasn't a real invest. In other words the objective was not to investigate for possible development but to conduct a dry run on some of the information they are receiving. If that is the case, that they aren't actually investigating for possible development, then I don't think that they should call it an "invest". If there is some other purpose, then I think that should be announced (a test or whatever).

We're not calling into question whether it was an actual invest or not, just the potential for any more development was extremely unlikely and there had to be more outstanding reasons as to why the NHC would declare this area Invest 97L. This would correlate with the reasoning behind the NHC issuing potential recon on Friday but not naming this as an invest until yesturday, after having already canceled their recon flight. As I stated earlier, unless you are a weather enthusiast you generally would not know Invest 97L existed.

[Weatherfreak000]

I totally agree that there is absolutely no harm at all in an invest being carried out that might be worthy of debate by some. Heck, when the Invest was first announced, It didn't even occur to me to question it. I only became concerned after very knowledgeable people said that it wasn't a real invest. In other words the objective was not to investigate for possible development but to conduct a dry run on some of the information they are receiving. If that is the case, that they aren't actually investigating for possible development, then I don't think that they should call it an "invest". If there is some other purpose, then I think that should be announced (a test or whatever).

Would have to agree, if it's blatantly not gonna develop but the NHC wants to run tests, it should be regarded as a test and not an official invest, simple as that.

True invests in a sense have importance, not to mention they hold some importance to people who like to archive invests happening and look back at the information, it can all be really helpful.

I remember hearing "The public isn't supposed to be considered with invests", and that the NHC is protecting us by classifying tests as such, but under the notion of scientific interest I find it positively negligence to consider that area "Invest 97L".

[cpdaman]

i find this arguing... amusing

in the whole wide world there are so many things that are not perfect and people sight nhc naming systems invest so they can possibly run test or "investigate" them as things which are wrong, because people like to "archive" them. wow

this is such a mute point. but this is what happens when the tropics are slow.

[miamicanes177]

Let me set the record straight. It is not clear if 97L was a "test" or if it was a real invest. The NHC did not say it was a test, and anyone who says it was is simply hypothesizing. Ok carry on...

[harmclan]

i find this arguing... amusing

in the whole wide world there are so many things that are not perfect and people sight nhc naming systems invest so they can possibly run test or "investigate" them as things which are wrong, because people like to "archive" them. wow

this is such a mute point. but this is what happens when the tropics are slow.

lol I agree and your rant was much accepted. If naming this Invest 97L serves the better good for a potentially more accurate track/intensity forecast for a system that actually warrants the general publics attention then by all means they have that right and should do so.

[miamicanes177]

97L is no longer on NRL and this thread can be locked.

[Weatherfreak000]

Your picture of the argument is obviously so very different. I can speak for myself when I say i'm not "Ranting" but you speak of Invests as if they weren't important, that large disturbances CAN'T cause damage, so therefore Invests aren't important are they?

So I guess a large area of disturbed weather classified as an invest cannot cause moderate damage and affect the coast with flooding, and the difference between an Invest and a Depression is so much different right?

It's absolutely not without reason to state it wouldn't inconvenience anyone if the NHC would only classify Invests if they have a bright future ahead of them, and if they need to run tests consider it "Test Invest 95L" on model runs.


For anyone that follows weather as we do, Invests are seen as a BIG DEAL, and can cause damage, and thus they must deserve to be classified as such, it's as simple as that.

[Toadstool]

97L is no longer on NRL and this thread can be locked.

Yup, it ran North fast with it's tail between its legs... or sheer between its rain bands...

[Regit]

97L is no longer on NRL and this thread can be locked.

Indeed. It's also off topic.