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Season NOT Cancelled

#1 Postby gatorcane » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:57 pm

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Well here we go. It's the end of July and we haven't seen much action. I'm starting to see season cancel posts cropping up here and there. Personally, I think we are going to have an active Aug - October, with things ramping up by mid August. Here are some factors to consider.

-Strong indications of a developing La Nina for the latter part of the season
-Peak of the season is statistically Sept. 10th with an exponential ramp up in activity
starting in early August. This season is about normal so far if you look at mean numbers over the past 50+ years - so nobody should be surprised if you look at climatology ;)
-Extremely hot water content in the NW Caribbean (hotter than 2005)
-Historical evidence of a positive correlation between early season inactivity and later
season activity.
-Long wave pattern has featured a strong EC trough with a weak Bermuda high. Typically
long wave patterns change multiple times in a season so we are due for a change.
In fact some of the global models want to replace the EC troughiness with the western
extent of a very strong Bermuda High starting in about 10-14 days.
-Global models starting to show spurious lows developing off Africa as the ITCZ has continued to move farther north in lattitude.

Anything else?

Let's talk about factors why we cannot say season cancelled here... :)
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#2 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:59 pm

All that water is getting warmer and warmer in the Caribbean because nothing has bothered it...uh oh.
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#3 Postby Cyclone1 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:59 pm

I have nothing to add. Great topic! :wink:
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#4 Postby gatorcane » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:00 pm

It's simple yet disturbing statement. I agree with you. I can't remember the last season we have had such little activity in the Caribbean. I find it hard-pressed to find any thunderstorm activity at all each time I look. Something needs to remove that excess heat content.....
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#5 Postby flwxwatcher » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:04 pm

gatorcane wrote:The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

Well here we go. It's the end of July and we haven't seen much action. I'm starting to see season cancel posts cropping up here and there. Personally, I think we are going to have an active Aug - October, with things ramping up by mid August. Here are some factors to consider.

-Strong indications of a developing La Nina for the latter part of the season
-Peak of the season is statistically Sept. 10th with an exponential ramp up in activity
starting in early August.
-Extremely hot water content in the NW Caribbean (hotter than 2005)
-Historical evidence of a positive correlation between early season inactivity and later
season activity.
-Long wave pattern has featured a strong EC trough with a weak Bermuda high. Typically
long wave patterns change multiple times in a season so we are due for a change.
-Global models starting to show spurious lows developing off Africa as the ITCZ has continued to move farther north in lattitude.

Anything else?

Let's talk about factors why we cannot say season cancelled here... :)


Add in that it looks like a positive phase of the MJO looks to be in the Atlantic Basin sometime in mid August into September. I agree this season is far from over.
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#6 Postby dwg71 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:05 pm

gatorcane wrote:The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

Well here we go. It's the end of July and we haven't seen much action. I'm starting to see season cancel posts cropping up here and there. Personally, I think we are going to have an active Aug - October, with things ramping up by mid August. Here are some factors to consider.

-Strong indications of a developing La Nina for the latter part of the season
-Peak of the season is statistically Sept. 10th with an exponential ramp up in activity
starting in early August.
-Extremely hot water content in the NW Caribbean (hotter than 2005)
-Historical evidence of a positive correlation between early season inactivity and later
season activity.
-Long wave pattern has featured a strong EC trough with a weak Bermuda high. Typically
long wave patterns change multiple times in a season so we are due for a change.
-Global models starting to show spurious lows developing off Africa as the ITCZ has continued to move farther north in lattitude.

Anything else?

Let's talk about factors why we cannot say season cancelled here... :)


There is not a coorelation between early season inactivity and late season activity. It just doesnt exist.

La Nina may or may not be coming, certainly not "strong indications"

Season may or may not be active, we may be in for an average season with 10-12 storms.
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#7 Postby Cyclone1 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:06 pm

Don't let your guard down with this season.
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#8 Postby dwg71 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:10 pm

Nobody's letting their guard down, I live on the Gulf coast, its always up June to Nov. But, as of now, the storms have yet to materialize and nothing imminent on the horizon.
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#9 Postby Weatherfreak14 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:11 pm

season totally not cancelled the Wave in the central atlantic is *possibly* our next big storm within the comin days or weeks.
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#10 Postby Cyclone1 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:12 pm

dwg71 wrote:Nobody's letting their guard down, I live on the Gulf coast, its always up June to Nov. But, as of now, the storms have yet to materialize and nothing imminent on the horizon.

I've seen a lot of season cancels this year so far. Not picking on anybody, but a season cancel ("We've only had 2 storms and its already August, it's a dud season") is a sign of a false sense of security. And I hate that.
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#11 Postby dwg71 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:13 pm

I just dont see how you can call our "next big storm" from a wave that is not even at invest status.
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#12 Postby Weatherfreak14 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:15 pm

i said it is "possibly" our next big storm and if you look at the latest sat. it is lookin fairly close to earn an invest status right now.
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#13 Postby Cyclone1 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:16 pm

A tropical storm is "our next big storm". LOL.
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#14 Postby dwg71 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:17 pm

wont, argue but you said probably, not possibly.

We will see, but nothing is remotely imminent at this point.
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#15 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:18 pm

"It's not over until it's over."
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#16 Postby gatorcane » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:29 pm

There is actually a slight correlation. Refer to this article by the NHC:

Does an active June and July mean the rest of the season will be busy too?
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/G7.html
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#17 Postby dwg71 » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:40 pm

gatorcane wrote:There is actually a slight correlation. Refer to this article by the NHC:

Does an active June and July mean the rest of the season will be busy too?
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/G7.html


Slight at best, and if Im reading this right it applies to JJ storms mean an average or above average season, not lack of JJ storms mean an average or above season.

The fact that we did not have a July storm is not a reason to believe that the remainder of the season will be active.
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#18 Postby fci » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:57 pm

Personally I love the "season cancel" statements because they are so moronic.

Just like I love predictions of exactly how many storms there will be.

NO ONE KNOWS.

There are patterns to look at and history but the bottom line is only Mother Nature knows and no one has her number!

Anyone really predict we would have the zillion storms we had 2 years ago?

That Frances and Jeanne would hit almost the same exact spot on the coast like 2-3 weeks apart?

That last season would be as quiet as it was?

The answer is NO.

So, I find it funny when I see "season cancel" posts. :roll:
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#19 Postby Toadstool » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:59 pm

RL3AO wrote:All that water is getting warmer and warmer in the Caribbean because nothing has bothered it...uh oh.


I worry about that as well. The longer things go without a tropical cyclone, the more the heat energy continues to build and pave the way for a potential monster of a storm. Even still, I generally consider the hurricane season to be Aug 15 - Oct 15 (obviously with exceptions, including Wilma). I can really only get hyped up for 2 months. :)
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Re: Season NOT Cancelled

#20 Postby Stormcenter » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:00 pm

Is it me or do always have posts like these sometime during each hurricane season
when things are slow? :lol:

Anyway I do think most people will admit the season is far from cancelled
considering when haven't even started the month of August. The thing
we all will admit is that it will NOT be anything like 2005....hopefully.
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