We got to do something!

[Derek Ortt]

how about a parallel thread created in tropical analysis with some restrictions on the replies, once we get a classified TC. I do this for each forecast I put out in TA, but maybe also a larger general thread (or everyone post in the latest forecast thread... that is those who do not want the one liners)

[Aric Dunn]

I dont mind the one liners. I think the biggest problem is no one like to read! i personally read ever page of a thread and i have never though to mys self "oh i hate those one liners"
the bottom line is all the problems with the off topic,one liners , repeat statements, all that that everyone is complaining about stems the fact that for the most part nobody reads previous post so its a snowball effect. So you get one liners that sound like what somebody just posted on a page before but they wrote a whole analysis and then the on liner come and magically its like almost a summarization of the analysis. The fact is its ok to respond to a post and say "i agree" but its stupid to repeat what the other person said that you agree with because then it makes it look like you wrote it and the other person did not , and since most people don't read far enough back the new person (unless he quoted the person) takes credit. So its a snowball effect its not the one liners themselves that happens because no one reads far enough back so it gets repeated.

the only major issue i have is that when someone want to get there post noticed (its the only reason i can come up with) they hit enter like 20 times so the post is real large but BLANK i cant figure it out its stupid or something else see here look lets hit enter




















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[Shinyhead]

OK, I am unlurking for this one. I have been active as a member for 3 years, but have less then 30 posts. I am far too much of an amatuer to think what I post has much of an impact or contributes much. The odd postings I have generally involve other subjects or direct obs. during or after storms.
The reason is simple, I don't want to make the signal to noise ratio worse.
That said, this board is now what I consider "mature" in that there is a steady flow of people coming in and dropping off over time and the constant level of folks here is pretty heavy (depending on the time of year and what is out in the tropics).
The admins have the Tropical analysis area where things are supposed to be less "chat like" and then there is this Talking tropics area where things are more chat like.
Remember, as people have said, there has been a long wait for things to start firing up, and finally having something to look at and talk about has made for a huge number of comments over a pretty minimal system, and thats understandable, so don't fret on that.

The more serious systems will have people spending more time reading and preparing as well as checking out info, so a massive number of "one liners" will be less likely. Also, there will be much more real info to digest which will tend to make the posts more relevant. With systems like this there is much less information flow, so of course folks will fill the void.

My attitude is if I cannot contribute, I will generally keep to myself, but that is not to say there should be a rule against people posting one liners when things are slow like this.

My only concern is that there is an increased level of venom between various people and folks should be gently reminded to remain civil, and even pleasant if possible, it will make the board much more enjoyable in the long run.

Also, I think being a slow system to watch, we all find ourselves paying more attention to the individual posts/posters and being maybe a bit more critical then we would when faced with a more immediate concern like a hurricane tracking towards a population center.

OK, I am going back into my hole now, I will try to post again in another few months to maintain my talkative reputation.


Chris

[SouthFloridawx]

Looking at the threads concerning 99L (22 pages) and the Gulf (23 pages) it's obvious that if we get a couple of "real" storms this place is going to go nuts with one-liners. I think we have two problems one, that a lot of posters just want to increase their post totals and two, many (NOT) all are using the thread as a chat-room. Add to this that there have been a few body-slams, spear attacks and fortunately only a few personal shots the board is going to be a mess come a very active seasonal period. Nobody including me wants censorship above and beyond what is already necessary to maintain civility but on the other hand nobody including me wants to sift through 23 pages of a thread to pull out the few real posts that have something significant to say. Perhaps, as members we might try to think before we post. Simply to type "agree" to another poster's comments may give one person an ego boost but it does nothing for the rest of us that have to go through page after page of that kind of stuff. Let's all try to remember quality over quantity before we have to turn the staff into censors rather than moderators.

Just my two cents folks. You are of course free to disagree if you wish.

I suggest that we, keep the Official Thread for Sat Pics, Models so on and so forth, and have a thread just for discussing the storm at hand, chit chatting and such.

The official thread would only have beneficial info such as the Sat pics, models forecast... this would allow prof. mets to be able to post something and it not get buried 4 pages back in 5 minutes, but it would also allow people to chit chat in the "Discussion Thread" if you will.

Anyway... that's what I think.

[fci]

I'll put on my "bash" helmet for the following comment so when some of you smack me I will have protective headgear on.

(fci adjusts helmet and tightens strap)

Pro Mets deserve a lot more leeway in the tone that they use and the comments that they make. If they get sarcastic, let it go.

So what if one will call us "kids"?
Big deal.
Deal with it.
I think they are geting their point across even if it may offend a little and is truly condescending.
The value that they ADD to the board far outweighs having to take a little guff from them once in a while.

I think that the "sitting on Santa's lap asking for a storm" comment was funny.
Sarcastic? yes.
Point well taken? I hope so.

So, have a thick skin when one of the Pro Mets gets impatient and LET IT GO.
They offer a whole lot of info and make this board special so "grin and bear it" !!!

The amateurs need not be afforded such courtesy and patience.

Is what I am saying fair?
No, probably not.

But think about what you want from, and expect from, S2K.

No Pro Mets = A lot of worthless one liners, emoticons, arguements and little useful information.

Bash away folks!!!!!

[Frank2]

Just to put a lighter spin on this thread - I happened to see TWC's Tropical Update late last evening, and, after seeing the Gulf system moving inland and the wave poofing out, I had to laugh at the thought of many open bags of cheese doodles being thrown in frustration at that moment.

There was one poster here last year who said he was going to "Tell his Mom" that he was upset and frustrated by the season's pace (possibly Grover Dill from Ralphie's "A Christmas Story") - if this poster's still around, his Mom is likely telling him:

"Clean up your room - there are cheese doodles everywhere!"

[Chacor]

I'll put on my "bash" helmet for the following comment so when some of you smack me I will have protective headgear on.

(fci adjusts helmet and tightens strap)

Pro Mets deserve a lot more leeway in the tone that they use and the comments that they make. If they get sarcastic, let it go.

So what if one will call us "kids"?
Big deal.
Deal with it.
I think they are geting their point across even if it may offend a little and is truly condescending.
The value that they ADD to the board far outweighs having to take a little guff from them once in a while.

I think that the "sitting on Santa's lap asking for a storm" comment was funny.
Sarcastic? yes.
Point well taken? I hope so.

So, have a thick skin when one of the Pro Mets gets impatient and LET IT GO.
They offer a whole lot of info and make this board special so "grin and bear it" !!!

The amateurs need not be afforded such courtesy and patience.

Is what I am saying fair?
No, probably not.

But think about what you want from, and expect from, S2K.

No Pro Mets = A lot of worthless one liners, emoticons, arguements and little useful information.

Bash away folks!!!!!

I strongly disagree. I and a lot of us do not come here to be bashed, let alone by a professional who should understand that we are amateurs and will understandably get excited if we think we see something.

They should not be allowed to get away with any more than we are.

[storms in NC]

We have a very good chatroom that people can go to and write their one-liners. That's why we don't have much participation of the Pro-Mets and long-time members.

And I'll add something...it's almost always the same people that do it. You see this person says what they think about the disturbance in a one or two sentences. And one page later, it's saying EXACTLY the same thing in different wording.

I have all the right to be here and right one line it I chose so. There may not be a cause for a whole page to write on what was said in another post. Just like right now You have know idia why that person is writeing a 1 liner. I just had Surgery and just got home from a over night stay. I came in here to see what had happen while I was gone. Now I had my say now back to bed

[Aric Dunn]

I'll put on my "bash" helmet for the following comment so when some of you smack me I will have protective headgear on.

(fci adjusts helmet and tightens strap)

Pro Mets deserve a lot more leeway in the tone that they use and the comments that they make. If they get sarcastic, let it go.

So what if one will call us "kids"?
Big deal.
Deal with it.
I think they are geting their point across even if it may offend a little and is truly condescending.
The value that they ADD to the board far outweighs having to take a little guff from them once in a while.

I think that the "sitting on Santa's lap asking for a storm" comment was funny.
Sarcastic? yes.
Point well taken? I hope so.

So, have a thick skin when one of the Pro Mets gets impatient and LET IT GO.
They offer a whole lot of info and make this board special so "grin and bear it" !!!

The amateurs need not be afforded such courtesy and patience.

Is what I am saying fair?
No, probably not.

But think about what you want from, and expect from, S2K.

No Pro Mets = A lot of worthless one liners, emoticons, arguements and little useful information.

Bash away folks!!!!!

I strongly disagree. I and a lot of us do not come here to be bashed, let alone by a professional who should understand that we are amateurs and will understandably get excited if we think we see something.

They should not be allowed to get away with any more than we are.

No body is 100% right everyone should be questioned especially the pro mets!! since they are pro mets they need to be making sure there post are clear and consice (most of them are) the only reason this forum is popular is the pro mets (and a few other reasons) so they should be held to a higher standard because seriously when a pro met makes one liners that nobody has any clue what he or she means make him and the s2k look less reliable. they are pro mets they are trained to make analysis and forecasting. so why do we get some that just do one liners from them for instance " i dont think it will do anything" . but hey no big deal i guess, im not a pro met so why am i worrying about their credibility ? See i come in here because of the pro mets to learn and ask questions and when you get one liners it makes me leave.

oh well

[caneman]

I'll put on my "bash" helmet for the following comment so when some of you smack me I will have protective headgear on.

(fci adjusts helmet and tightens strap)

Pro Mets deserve a lot more leeway in the tone that they use and the comments that they make. If they get sarcastic, let it go.

So what if one will call us "kids"?
Big deal.
Deal with it.
I think they are geting their point across even if it may offend a little and is truly condescending.
The value that they ADD to the board far outweighs having to take a little guff from them once in a while.

I think that the "sitting on Santa's lap asking for a storm" comment was funny.
Sarcastic? yes.
Point well taken? I hope so.

So, have a thick skin when one of the Pro Mets gets impatient and LET IT GO.
They offer a whole lot of info and make this board special so "grin and bear it" !!!

The amateurs need not be afforded such courtesy and patience.

Is what I am saying fair?
No, probably not.

But think about what you want from, and expect from, S2K.

No Pro Mets = A lot of worthless one liners, emoticons, arguements and little useful information.

Bash away folks!!!!!

I completely disagree, if you are to be treated with respect you must give respect. I'm sure many of us on here have significant titles in whatever their work may be who wouldn't think of treating people unfairly or letting their position go to their head. A good rule of thumb is, would you say in person what you type to a person face to face. I'm sure we're all guilty of this from time to time. You don't just get respect because you have a title, you get it from class, dignity and grace. I seriously hope the one or two mets in question don't treat their underlings that way. If you don't have a kind word to say then do say it.

[HURAKAN]

I have been here for more than three years now and I have seen the forum grow at a fast rate. There are now more members than ever, and you know why. BECAUSE S2K IS THE BEST WEATHER FORUM THAT THERE IS, PERIOD!!!

I think the system we have now is working. Official information is being posted in a thread and all the gossip and lastest arguments are in another threat.

If you want to know the latest official information, then you go to the thread were all the storms are and you select what storm you want to know about.

I propose we do the same for Invests, we have a section called "All Storms - All Basins," I propose to create one called "All Invests." There we can post the lastest TWO, model outputs, pictures of the system, and more valuable information, but NO COMMENTS. Comments and arguements can only be done in the thread designated for such activities in Talkin' Tropics like we always do.

I have a question for those proposing to send everyone that only post their opinions and one liners to the chat room, what do you think is going to happen to the chat room?? Ahh, I don't know, "crash," maybe, like what happened yesterday.

We have to live with a fact, WE ARE TOO MANY BECAUSE WE ENJOY THE BEST WEATHER FORUM THERE IS, PERIOD!!!

Thanks to all the moderators, pro-mets, amateurs, and guests for making S2k the best.

[Downdraft]

Well since I started this thread and I've read every reply I have to say actually I agree with everyone's point of view. It is a message board and it up to everyone to express themselves. I would never want to see anyone not post here because they felt they would be bashed. Yes, there were some ruffled feathers here during 99L yesterday and I guess the key to it all is treat each other with respect and seek to understand each other's point of view. Sorry you feel the way you do "Bluefrog" but you defeat your own points when you say you don't care for the thread so it should be locked. I voiced my concern, opened a debate and treated it in a civil manner as I would hope most adults would. I get as excited as the next person when I see a round blob this time of the year but I also learn from the those that have taught me what to look for besides the color of it. I've never thought that open debate was a bad thing and I never said that anyone should do anything other than think about what they post before they post it. If some in here have nothing better to do than be self-appointed "thread police" so be it, I am not doing that I am only concerned that we don't treat the message board as a chat room and we all show each other some respect and civility when posting.

So now at the author's request lock the thread any further discussion really wouldn't accomplish anything.

[CajunMama]

All we're asking for is a little cooperation. There are those who know how different it is on this side of the message board. Last year there were many posts that we purged and doing them while we were trying to work at our real jobs and giving up our personal time. So please, just a little cooperation. Please?

As for the mets...how would you feel giving your professional opinion in the field that you specialize in and have someone that doesn't have nearly the education, experience and knowledge that you have, come in and always disagree with the met, thinking that he/she knows better. I've seen our mets patiently explain the same thing over and over and those who insist that the met is wrong pushes the met to his limit. Would any of you not lose your patience? Our mets have done a great job of educating us. Don't forget that they are volunteering to do this. We can't pay them...heck, we can't even pay our staff

[Chacor]

As for the mets...how would you feel giving your professional opinion in the field that you specialize in and have someone that doesn't have nearly the education, experience and knowledge that you have, come in and always disagree with the met, thinking that he/she knows better. I've seen our mets patiently explain the same thing over and over and those who insist that the met is wrong pushes the met to his limit. Would any of you not lose your patience? Our mets have done a great job of educating us. Don't forget that they are volunteering to do this. We can't pay them...heck, we can't even pay our staff

Full credit to them for doing so but it does not give them any special right to attack other users or their opinion.

[SouthFloridawx]

Seriously for a Named Storm, you are going to have a lot of chatter going on. Not everyone is going to or have the ability to chat in the chat-room. I am telling you if you had a thread for just general discussion about the system, seperate from the official thread, where people post sat pics, analysis and models... that would allow everyone to be able to talk freely and everyone would stop arguing. There has to be a happy medium for everyone on here.

[Ixolib]

The "one-liners" and "crazy activity" happens every year here, and as sure as the sun rises and sets, folks have griped about it ever since. Amazingly, though, S2K somehow survives to go on another year, and another, and another!!!!!

Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash, and the next thing you know, the 2008 season will be underway!!

[HeeBGBz]

I thought the Tropical Analysis forum was for all the professional met serious discussions and Talkin Tropics was for us lesser informed individuals to add our non-qualified opinions. I appreciate the pro met input and value their opinions, but there's got to be a place for the rest of us to speak.

I get a little tired of the battle of the egos sometimes but I just ignore it and go on. I view myself as more of a spotter type person. One who shares observations on my specific local area pertaining to the weather at hand. I have considered returning to school to study climate and meteorology but don't know if I could get through the math.

Sure there's a chatroom but the chats come and go and if there's a question that needs answered, there may not be anyone there to reply. At least, here, someone may eventually respond, even if the question is two pages back.

[Recurve]

I really do like this idea:

99L -- Analysis, pics, models discussion
99L -- Chat, wild speculation, one-liners thread #27

BTW, I have never felt dissed by a pro met here. I have seen bossy, rude, holier-than-thou comments by non-pro (possibly student) members.

We never see disagreements with pros saying a system is sure to develop and amateurs saying no it won't. People should be honest with themselves and admit that they are flat-out wishing for development (and sometimes tracks towards their areas) 24/7, and that they get (irrationally) pisssed off when the pros disagree. 99% percent of the discussion that degenerate into impoliteness stem from this.
One-liners like "I don't think this will develop" from a pro met are fine by me. Perfect, in fact. I can ask for clarification if I want. But some here have a "you don't want this to develop" or "you're not as smart as you think" attitude, and that's disappointing. One member seems to think a one-liner (or any post against development without a concillitory attitude toward those who disagree) from a pro is insulting. It's like some people in college who get mad at a professor because they aren't teaching exactly what and how they expected to learn.

[fci]

Well since I started this thread and I've read every reply I have to say actually I agree with everyone's point of view. It is a message board and it up to everyone to express themselves. I would never want to see anyone not post here because they felt they would be bashed. Yes, there were some ruffled feathers here during 99L yesterday and I guess the key to it all is treat each other with respect and seek to understand each other's point of view. Sorry you feel the way you do "Bluefrog" but you defeat your own points when you say you don't care for the thread so it should be locked. I voiced my concern, opened a debate and treated it in a civil manner as I would hope most adults would. I get as excited as the next person when I see a round blob this time of the year but I also learn from the those that have taught me what to look for besides the color of it. I've never thought that open debate was a bad thing and I never said that anyone should do anything other than think about what they post before they post it. If some in here have nothing better to do than be self-appointed "thread police" so be it, I am not doing that I am only concerned that we don't treat the message board as a chat room and we all show each other some respect and civility when posting.

So now at the author's request lock the thread any further discussion really wouldn't accomplish anything.

I'm glad that you opened this thread and people were able to express their opinions.
I expressed mine and repsect those who agreed and, mostly; disagreed with me.
That's what help makes this tick; civil conversation and exchange of information and opinions.

As for locking the thread, I do not think that is wise.
When people are tired of the subject they will stop posting and the thread will fall back off of the main screen.
With all due respect, "locking" of a thread should be limited to when it gets well beyond the subject, it breaks the rules, the thread is "full" or it is outdated.

The only other new comment that I have is that I would hate to see more subdivisions of forums; one for chat, one for advisories, one for models and maps,one for Pros, one for Invests.......
That would only serve to make navigation much more cumbersome.

I like the set up now.

Thanks again for the topic.

[SouthFloridawx]

I really do like this idea:

99L -- Analysis, pics, models discussion
99L -- Chat, wild speculation, one-liners thread #27

BTW, I have never felt dissed by a pro met here. I have seen bossy, rude, holier-than-thou comments by non-pro (possibly student) members.

We never see disagreements with pros saying a system is sure to develop and amateurs saying no it won't. People should be honest with themselves and admit that they are flat-out wishing for development (and sometimes tracks towards their areas) 24/7, and that they get (irrationally) pisssed off when the pros disagree. 99% percent of the discussion that degenerate into impoliteness stem from this.
One-liners like "I don't think this will develop" from a pro met are fine by me. Perfect, in fact. I can ask for clarification if I want. But some here have a "you don't want this to develop" or "you're not as smart as you think" attitude, and that's disappointing. One member seems to think a one-liner (or any post against development without a concillitory attitude toward those who disagree) from a pro is insulting. It's like some people in college who get mad at a professor because they aren't teaching exactly what and how they expected to learn.

It is an extra thread, but it would help to stop all this arguing over something that is going to occur no matter what you do.