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#9001 Postby NCSUwpack » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:06 pm

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Derek Ortt wrote:Cheryl Lemke of TWC said that this was the second most intense hurricane ever and most intense since Hugo


never thought I'd hear something that absurred


did she mean in the carribean?



Didn't know Hugo ever was in the carribean, must have been a crazy track on it considering it hit SC.
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#9002 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:07 pm

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Re: Hurricane DEAN Recon obs

#9003 Postby dwsqos2 » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:11 pm

Eyewall Drop...

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UZNT13 KNHC 190407
XXAA 69037 99161 70717 04461 99944 26800 17567 00/// ///// /////
92184 25400 20584 85927 21601 21587 70594 09800 22603 88999 77999
31313 09608 80320
61616 AF302 0704A DEAN OB 26
62626 EYEWALL 315 SPL 1611N07165W 0322 MBL WND 20083 AEV 00000
DLM WND 21086 944794 WL150 19075 079 =
XXBB 69038 99161 70717 04461 00944 26800 11850 21601 22789 19600
33696 09400
21212 00944 17567 11939 18576 22935 19074 33919 20589 44880 21592
55850 21587 66696 23104
31313 09608 80320
61616 AF302 0704A DEAN OB 26
62626 EYEWALL 315 SPL 1611N07165W 0322 MBL WND 20083 AEV 00000
DLM WND 21086 944794 WL150 19075 079 =

944 mb; surface winds of 67 knots; MBL winds of 83 knots.
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#9004 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:13 pm

One thing that concerns me about this run is that it shows the ULL looking stronger and it is keeping it around longer. If this actually plays out, then it would mean that if Dean moves into the Yucatan further north than what the 00z GFS is showing (and closer to the NHC path), then he would probably be influenced in some way by the weakness the ULL creates. IMO, this ULL could very well end up being the eventual fly in the ointment for this perfect Mexico consensus we are currently seeing. Hopefully future GFS runs revert back to showing the ULL weakening and moving west more quickly so that I can have even more confidence in the due west path predicted.
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#9005 Postby CronkPSU » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:14 pm

NCSUwpack wrote:
CronkPSU wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:Cheryl Lemke of TWC said that this was the second most intense hurricane ever and most intense since Hugo


never thought I'd hear something that absurred


did she mean in the carribean?



Didn't know Hugo ever was in the carribean, must have been a crazy track on it considering it hit SC.


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#9006 Postby wxmann_91 » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:14 pm

Pretty much all the Globals have shifted towards the ECMWF. A track further south than what is prognosticated by the NHC, may be in order. The current GFS is pretty far south.
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#9007 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:16 pm

492
URNT15 KNHC 190415
AF302 0704A DEAN HDOB 41 20070819
035830 1701N 07120W 6965 03112 0044 +062 +062 121090 092 999 999 03
035900 1700N 07122W 6969 03104 0038 +060 +060 119091 091 062 007 03
035930 1659N 07123W 6965 03099 0030 +060 +060 118092 093 061 006 00
040000 1658N 07124W 6963 03098 0038 +049 +049 118095 098 061 008 03
040030 1656N 07125W 6964 03085 0021 +054 +054 117101 101 061 009 03
040100 1655N 07127W 6971 03072 0010 +057 +057 115099 100 068 017 00
040130 1654N 07128W 6971 03062 0017 +044 +044 113101 105 070 037 03
040200 1652N 07129W 6956 03068 0007 +042 +042 114100 105 072 019 00
040230 1651N 07131W 6966 03049 9981 +056 +056 121105 110 072 021 00
040300 1650N 07132W 6968 03038 9957 +063 +063 125105 107 077 020 00
040330 1649N 07133W 6967 03034 9949 +066 +066 127103 107 078 017 01
040400 1647N 07135W 6967 03025 9930 +071 +071 131092 097 078 054 03
040430 1646N 07136W 6971 03015 9920 +073 +073 130094 097 079 039 03
040500 1645N 07137W 6973 02998 9907 +075 +075 128093 097 082 019 00
040530 1644N 07138W 6950 03021 9910 +066 +066 122092 093 078 021 00
040600 1643N 07139W 6967 02995 9906 +060 +060 123100 104 082 026 01
040630 1641N 07140W 6955 02989 9990 +071 +999 130107 114 085 020 01
040700 1640N 07141W 6980 02947 9839 +086 +086 128093 098 090 010 00
040730 1639N 07142W 6960 02963 9803 +112 +112 125091 092 090 009 00
040800 1638N 07143W 6966 02947 9788 +115 +107 129096 097 085 006 00
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Re: Major Hurricane DEAN: (11 PM page 245) Discussions, Analysis

#9008 Postby Bigsky770 » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:16 pm

Statement as of 11:00 PM EDT on August 18, 2007

the inner core of Dean appears to be undergoing some changes. Radar
imagery onboard the Air Force reconnaissance aircraft depicts
concentric eyewalls at radii of about 10 and 20 N mi...with the
outer eyewall recently becoming a little better defined.
Flight-level winds have also revealed double maxima. Wind data at
flight level...from the SFMR...and from dropsondes directly support
an intensity of no more than about 115 kt. The central
pressure...however...has been gradually dropping and was most
recently measured at 918 mb. Assuming that the maximum wind has
not been sampled...the advisory intensity is set to 125 kt...but
this could be a bit on the high side. The aircraft will continue
to investigate Dean for a few more hours to see if the winds come
back up.
Dean wobbled westward earlier this evening...but the longer-term
motion toward 280 degrees at about 15 kt seems to have resumed. As
the models have been forecasting...the mid- to upper-level low that
was east of Florida a couple of days ago is now over the eastern
Gulf of Mexico and headed quickly westward. That low is forecast to
be replaced by a large and strong ridge over the southeastern
United States during the next couple of days...which should
reinforce a general west-northwestward motion of Dean...through the
northwestern Caribbean...over some portion of the Yucatan
Peninsula...and into the southern Gulf of Mexico. The models have
in general shifted slightly southward...including the GFDL which is
no longer the northern outlier. The guidance is now in very good
agreement on the track throughout the entire five-day forecast
period...so confidence in the track forecast is increasing. The
official track forecast has been adjusted a tad to the south and is
very near the dynamical model consensus.
The short-term intensity forecast is a bit uncertain given the
double eyewall structure...but the central pressure is quite low and
the inner core could quickly reorganize at any time...so any dip in
the intensity will probably be short-lived. Throughout its stay in
the Caribbean Sea during the next 48 hours or so...atmospheric and
oceanic conditions remain supportive of a category four or five
intensity as suggested by all of the objective guidance. Since the
new track forecast results in a longer stay over the Yucatan
Peninsula...the official intensity forecast has been lowered
slightly over the southwestern Gulf of Mexico...but still indicates
a major hurricane at final landfall.



Forecast positions and Max winds

initial 19/0300z 16.2n 71.7w 125 kt
12hr VT 19/1200z 16.8n 74.3w 130 kt
24hr VT 20/0000z 17.6n 77.8w 130 kt
36hr VT 20/1200z 18.4n 81.4w 135 kt
48hr VT 21/0000z 19.3n 85.1w 140 kt
72hr VT 22/0000z 21.0n 92.0w 85 kt
96hr VT 23/0000z 23.0n 98.0w 100 kt...inland
120hr VT 24/0000z 24.0n 101.0w 30 kt...inland

$$
forecaster Knabb

From: HERE
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#9009 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:19 pm

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Re: Major Hurricane DEAN: (11 PM page 245) Discussions, Analysis

#9010 Postby Sanibel » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:22 pm

Could still do another one of those 290* veers before Jamaica. Don't count on a miss south (though it does look like it).
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#9011 Postby artist » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm

thanks for all the info cycloneye
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Re: Hurricane DEAN Recon obs

#9012 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm

276
URNT15 KNHC 190421
AF302 0704A DEAN HDOB 42 20070819
040830 1636N 07145W 6967 02931 9773 +116 +105 129100 102 091 004 00
040900 1635N 07146W 6966 02920 9761 +111 +111 129106 109 089 004 00
040930 1634N 07147W 6961 02909 9752 +103 +103 128113 115 090 002 00
041000 1633N 07148W 6967 02874 9718 +112 +106 128117 118 091 002 00
041030 1632N 07150W 6969 02850 9718 +089 +089 128118 121 094 005 00
041100 1631N 07151W 6965 02823 9687 +088 +088 128119 121 097 007 00
041130 1630N 07152W 6965 02797 9639 +100 +100 130119 120 098 007 00
041200 1628N 07153W 6962 02765 9596 +106 +106 131118 120 101 008 00
041230 1627N 07155W 6973 02717 9565 +099 +099 132117 119 102 014 00
041300 1626N 07156W 6967 02695 9507 +114 +114 134104 106 106 010 00
041330 1625N 07157W 6969 02656 9453 +140 +120 132099 101 104 005 00
041400 1624N 07158W 6965 02628 9414 +143 +112 133097 098 094 000 00
041430 1623N 07200W 6969 02587 9376 +142 +122 137095 095 088 000 00
041500 1622N 07201W 6961 02550 9324 +148 +118 138097 098 090 000 00
041530 1621N 07202W 6967 02497 9269 +149 +149 134086 097 089 000 00
041600 1620N 07203W 6967 02459 9225 +155 +155 133057 064 076 003 00
041630 1618N 07204W 6967 02432 9196 +160 +155 132029 038 044 002 03
041700 1617N 07205W 6967 02436 9179 +175 +147 110005 012 035 001 03
041730 1615N 07206W 6971 02448 9224 +166 +143 266005 029 040 002 03
041800 1614N 07207W 6967 02491 9278 +152 +152 287043 062 066 006 03
$$

121 kts - 918 mbs
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#9013 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:26 pm

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#9014 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:30 pm

548
URNT15 KNHC 190428
AF302 0704A DEAN HDOB 43 20070819
041830 1613N 07208W 6967 02534 9324 +135 +135 294069 071 072 007 00
041900 1612N 07209W 6965 02580 9382 +124 +124 296078 080 071 007 00
041930 1611N 07210W 6963 02621 9419 +130 +122 294075 076 068 002 00
042000 1610N 07211W 6971 02649 9448 +144 +101 293073 074 072 001 00
042030 1608N 07212W 6969 02679 9488 +130 +124 296072 073 078 005 00
042100 1607N 07214W 6962 02715 9524 +122 +122 303078 082 083 009 00
042130 1606N 07215W 6968 02739 9578 +104 +104 309082 085 086 049 03
042200 1605N 07216W 6967 02774 9631 +090 +090 313083 086 084 041 03
042230 1604N 07217W 6967 02804 9649 +101 +101 316087 089 083 011 03
042300 1603N 07218W 6980 02816 9686 +094 +094 316083 084 078 018 03
042330 1602N 07220W 6966 02855 9711 +098 +098 316083 084 078 002 03
042400 1601N 07221W 6971 02873 9720 +110 +105 317080 082 081 003 00
042430 1559N 07222W 6966 02895 9760 +093 +093 317076 077 081 006 00
042500 1558N 07223W 6962 02914 9800 +072 +072 326075 077 081 046 03
042530 1557N 07225W 6969 02920 9808 +078 +078 330073 075 080 019 00
042600 1556N 07226W 6977 02929 9835 +070 +070 335083 086 075 027 01
042630 1554N 07228W 6962 02964 9990 +063 +999 328087 089 074 025 01
042700 1553N 07229W 6974 02966 9885 +063 +063 323085 087 072 019 01
042730 1552N 07230W 6956 02998 9891 +068 +068 322085 088 068 019 00
042800 1552N 07230W 6956 02998 9905 +067 +067 322083 086 068 019 00
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Re: Hurricane DEAN: Global Models

#9015 Postby mgpetre » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:30 pm

From hours of staring at water vapor loops and pondering 500mb pressures, there are two conclusions i've come to tonight. The models don't really seem to fully take into account the effects of Erin and they are consistently where I want them to be. The non-progression of Erin still worries me and makes me think the high building in the west could cause this ULL to do some strange things in the next day or two. Just my thoughts, I do believe the models will point to TX at some point again... wish they wouldn't.
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Re: Major Hurricane DEAN: (11 PM page 245) Discussions, Analysis

#9016 Postby baitism » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:31 pm

How long has this EWRC been going on? It seems like forever. Also, the storm is looking (relatively) ragged.
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#9017 Postby Scorpion » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:31 pm

No idea what you're talking about... the hurricane looks great now
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Re: Major Hurricane DEAN: (11 PM page 245) Discussions, Analysis

#9018 Postby CronkPSU » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:33 pm

baitism wrote:How long has this EWRC been going on? It seems like forever. Also, the storm is looking (relatively) ragged.


compared to what? looks awesome on the sat loops right now
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Re: Major Hurricane DEAN: (11 PM page 245) Discussions, Analysis

#9019 Postby miamicanes177 » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:33 pm

I thought we were supposed to see the eye itself fill and disappear, followed by a new eye appearing...we still have the same eye.
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