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#1 Postby weatherwoman » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:35 am

Tell me why and I'm very happy for them but Dean went into Mexico and so far we have not heard for any major damage and no deaths "Thank God" for that, and they bounce back so fast from these storms, the news was saying last nite how some of the stores that were full of sand and stuff would be reopened late yesterday, but it a storm like that hit the US we would be out of commission for months, i dont get it are we just not as ready here as we should be or do they just get up and get busy fixing things back instead of crying and waiting for someone to give us a free had out instead of getting off our butts and getting life going back again. I dont get it I'm not knocking anyone who really gets bad damage in the US but I just dont understand how Mexico is far ahead of us in this area. I love my country and think we should be as ready and ahead of all other countries in a time of need, help me understand i do live in the most hit county by hurricanes in the united states by the way, but we right here on the coast have never had in my years of living a really bad hurricane to do damage on our coast inland when floyd came through we had really bad flooding.
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#2 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:48 am

OMG ... another topic that I will refrain from just lashing out. I can say that in my town in Mississippi immediately after Hurricane Katrina our community with the IMMEDIATE help of OUR MILITARY AND GOVERNMENT AND VOLUNTEERS picked up the pieces and put our boots and gloves on and got to work rebuilding our lives. Most people did not expect "hand outs" or "free" things here. We worked together to get back on our feet. I have been thru Frederic, Georges, Elena and now Katrina. My town was 95% flooded in Katrina. I lost my home. We are rebuilding. Katrina was CATROSTROPHIC here and we are still recovering so I resent some of the comments in your statement above. We were prepared here..it's just that Katrina was WAY more than anyone could have imagined.
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#3 Postby weatherwoman » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:58 am

I know people were working i relize that but i dont understand how the difference comes in and why they are already up and running again and here in the us when this happens we are down for months, do we not take storms serious or something, i'm not critizening you or anyone around you, i know you guys went through alot but i also know if dean had hit us we would be so devestated here, or is maybe the news not being told like it really is in mexico, i have been watching the weather channel most of the time, i am sorry for offending you and so sorry for your loses, please forgive my ignorance on what is going on out there best of luck, and my you never be hit again in the gulf but we know as we live in coastal areas that we always stand that chance so we need to be ready no matter what they say is coming we always need to prepair for the worse and hope for the best
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#4 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:02 am

it's just that Katrina was WAY more than anyone could have imagined.


I never understood this. Why was it way more than you imagined? A cat5 recently downgraded to 3 hitting the coast is going to cause catastrophic damage. We need people living on the coast to be able to imagine the damage rather than being surprised by it. When major hurricanes hit populated areas there is going to be chaos and destruction, as predicted by many many people. To not imagine this could happen IS the problem and leads to the other thread suggesting that we educate youth on the environment and the possible dangers of where they live.

I live in a tornado zone, I can imagine my house being flattened and all my material possessions being thrown to the wind. I'm not going to be the guy standing outside of his wrecked home telling someone I could never have imagined the damage.

I suspect this is why a lot of people refuse to evacuate too, and that's sad.

And weatherwoman, Dean hit in an unpopulated area, so the comparison you make is not valid.

I know people were working i relize that but i dont understand how the difference comes in and why they are already up and running again and here in the us when this happens we are down for months


What are you talking about? Where is it that people have been hit by a major hurricane and are back to normal?
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#5 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:06 am

One thing is the tourism industry recovering very quickly and another is that the population is recovering very quickly. The second part to my first sentence is not covered very much by the media. They don't go into the hearts of the small towns and Maya villages to see how the people are doing. Of course the tourism is going to recover very easy since it's the main industry in the region. Mexico's government puts more effort in what is producing more money for the country, which leaves behind the poor people.

So, do't tell me that they recover better that we do in America because that doesn't make sence. The US is the most resourceful country in Earth and although most homes are not built to survive a major hurricane, you can't compare our houses with the "houses" most people in Mexico live in.

Did Jim Cantore went to wait for Dean in a Mexican village? No!!! He went to Cancun and then Puerto Aventuras. I don't blame him, because I would have done the same, but if you want to show the world how good a country is doing, don't use one of the most profitable industries, show how its poor people are doing. That should be the standard to demonstrate the advances in a country.

The same rule applies to all the islands in the Caribbean, maybe excluding those under US protection, and the countries in Central America.
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#6 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:12 am

You don't get it because you didn't go thru it. Today must be one of these bad days for me because what I am reading is really starting to piss me off big time.
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#7 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:14 am

Bluefrog wrote:You don't get it because you didn't go thru it. Today must be one of these bad days for me because what I am reading is really starting to piss me off big time.


Sorry bluefrog, that's very true, but I also think it's a valid question. If people near the coast can't imagine the damage I think we have a big problem.
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#8 Postby jasons2k » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:27 am

I think some people are overreacting to this thread and really don't know what they're talking about. There is indeed some truth to Weatherwoman's post. There are several reasons for this. For one, the Mexican population is very resourceful & hardworking. For lack of a better term, they just "get it done." You should see them work here in the major cities of Texas. As far as manual labor goes (which is what rebuilding is), they can run circles around most Americans, expcially in the heat. I know this won't sit well with some Americans who think they can do it "better than anyone else" but I would challenge them to work a construction site here in the Texas heat for a day alongside a Mexican crew. I used to sell homes for a home builder and I saw it every day, first hand. There is just no comparison. They work like a machine. Secondly, they don't have the strict rebuilding codes, regulations, and hurdles to jump through that we do here in the US. For one, most likely they won't have to wait for insurance money to come in. That gives them a HUGE jump-start on the rebuilding process. Lastly, the part about the "tourist" areas are the first & only areas to recover isn't true either. After Wilma, the "tourist" part of Cancun was the last part to be completely back to normal as there is a lot more to fix, and there is more attention to detail, etc., in fixing those areas as they must be built back-up to US/European tourists' standards, whereas the "native" areas tend to get patched and reopened relatively quickly.
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#9 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:33 am

First of all, when your whole hometown is destroyed and the whole Mississippi Gulf Coast is devastated and parts of Alabama and Louisiana are torn apart and a thousands people are misplaced and thousands of homes are destroyed ... I guarantee you ...you will stand outside with just the clothes you have on and I quote .... you will say "I never could have imagined that this much damage could have happened !!! "

2 years later and I am still stunned at what has happened. I drive for hours from where I am now and can see TONS of damage still .... concrete slabs everywhere.
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#10 Postby Portastorm » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:00 am

Weatherwoman ... I'm not sure where you are getting your news outside of the Weather Channel but to suggest no significant or major damage to Mexico is just not grounded in reality. In his blog today, Dr. Jeff Masters reports estimated damage in Mexico beyond $1 billion dollars. And that estimate may increase with time.

Nevertheless I understand your perception. I watched TWC last night and from their reports, you'd almost think nothing very bad happened in Mexico. But as others have already said, nobody knows about the damage in the small, poor Mayan villages. In Majahual, about 30 miles northeast of Chetumal, there are reports of complete destruction.

Here is a link to Dr. Masters blog:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMa ... amp=200708
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#11 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:02 am

I agree with jschlitz that Mexicans are a very hard-working people that should be treated with respect and admiration in the US because they are doing the jobs Americans don't want to do. Nevertheless, even if you are very hard working, you need the resources to be able to work. Unfortunately in Mexico when a hurricane strikes most of the government resources go toward rebuilding the industries that provide the country with capital, while the poor people what to manage to find the resources to rebuild their poor houses.
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#12 Postby jasons2k » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:31 am

Without wandering too far off topic, I disagree that they do the jobs Americans "won't do", they do the jobs that US companies are only willing to pay pennies on the dollar for a "real wage". It's a economical, not cultural.
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#13 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:45 am

jschlitz wrote:Without wandering too far off topic, I disagree that they do the jobs Americans "won't do", they do the jobs that US companies are only willing to pay pennies on the dollar for a "real wage". It's a economical, not cultural.


It's very different "won't do" from "want to do," which was the phrase I used. And it's true because Americans have more options, while immigrants, not just Mexicans, because most of them lack the ability to speak English and don't have a good education. Those that had a good education in their native countries, like my parents, both graduated from college, don't have the time to learn the language because they have a family and bills to pay.

It's also cultural when you have many Americans wanting to send all Mexicans back to Mexico, but what happens on May 5th, they celebrate "Cinco de Mayo" by eating tacos and drinking a shot of tequila. What a hypocrisy. Only Mexico and parts of the US celebrate Cinco de Mayo. There is no other Hispanic or non-hispanic country that celebrates it.

It's also political when you have the American government deporting all illegals and at the same time knowing they are extremely important for the agricultural and construction business. Without them you most likely would have to import the tomatoes and vegetables you eat everyday.

We have many problems in America, but if people get educated about the fact that there are more people in the world, probably most problems would disappear.

P.S: My comments are not regarding any individual in particular, just a general opinion of how I see things!!! :D :D
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#14 Postby Downdraft » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:04 am

You want to know why we don't recover quickly enough? We build million dollar homes where the front yard is 100 feet to the Atlantic Ocean. We create a bureaucracy called FEMA to hand out contracts to repair infrastructure. A process that takes weeks if not months. We expect to much from "others" and not enough from ourselves. My God, here near Orlando after Charley people got in fist fights over a bag of ice. Society broke down between those that had power and those that did not. I agree with BlueFrog in the sense of the people along the Gulf seem to handle this much better than along the Atlantic and neighbor does help neighbor. They tell you to prepare one category higher than the storm but how many do? Eight hours after Wilma people were screaming where's the water and ice? You want to build mansions and hotels and resorts along the coast anywhere in hurricane country don't tell me you can't imagine what can happen. I grew up with pictures of Camille, Agnes, Hazel, Carol, Hugo, Andrew, Floyd, Charley, etc. I don't have to imagine the damage for years I've watched it on t.v., saw it in newspapers, walked through it, smelled it and lived it. Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana are still in shambles and shouldn't be. Next time you go to New Orleans instead of drinking on Bourbon street take a drive through the ninth ward.
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#15 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:07 am

Jschlitz, name me one welfare recipient that will do the work illegals are doing? Enough said.
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#16 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:10 am

Bluefrog wrote:First of all, when your whole hometown is destroyed and the whole Mississippi Gulf Coast is devastated and parts of Alabama and Louisiana are torn apart and a thousands people are misplaced and thousands of homes are destroyed ... I guarantee you ...you will stand outside with just the clothes you have on and I quote .... you will say "I never could have imagined that this much damage could have happened !!! "

2 years later and I am still stunned at what has happened. I drive for hours from where I am now and can see TONS of damage still .... concrete slabs everywhere.



[quote][2 years later and I am still stunned at what has happened. I drive for hours from where I am now and can see TONS of damage still .... concrete slabs everywhere.
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Why are you stunned? People living on the coast in cane prone areas should expect things like this to happen...
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#17 Postby Downdraft » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:11 am

wxfollower wrote:Jschlitz, name me one welfare recipient that will do the work illegals are doing? Enough said.


When did this turn into an immigration debate?
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#18 Postby Galvestongirl » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:13 am

uh oh...I think this is taking a political turn.....but, I think the question is a good one. I believe that what we are seeing is, like others have said, on the surface, we have yet to see how the interior of mexico is recovering.
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#19 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:16 am

Downdraft wrote:You want to know why we don't recover quickly enough? We build million dollar homes where the front yard is 100 feet to the Atlantic Ocean. We create a bureaucracy called FEMA to hand out contracts to repair infrastructure. A process that takes weeks if not months. We expect to much from "others" and not enough from ourselves. My God, here near Orlando after Charley people got in fist fights over a bag of ice. Society broke down between those that had power and those that did not. I agree with BlueFrog in the sense of the people along the Gulf seem to handle this much better than along the Atlantic and neighbor does help neighbor. They tell you to prepare one category higher than the storm but how many do? Eight hours after Wilma people were screaming where's the water and ice? You want to build mansions and hotels and resorts along the coast anywhere in hurricane country don't tell me you can't imagine what can happen. I grew up with pictures of Camille, Agnes, Hazel, Carol, Hugo, Andrew, Floyd, Charley, etc. I don't have to imagine the damage for years I've watched it on t.v., saw it in newspapers, walked through it, smelled it and lived it. Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana are still in shambles and shouldn't be. Next time you go to New Orleans instead of drinking on Bourbon street take a drive through the ninth ward.


Downdraft, look at J's post. I never mentioned anything about immigration...
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#20 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:32 am

wxfollower ... I'm not going there with you. If you aren't here ... you just won't understand.
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