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#21 Postby Suzi » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:34 am

It was the storm surge during Katrina that completely obliterated towns here. The surge where I live was nearly 30 feet. THIRTY FEET. This is/was unprecedented. It WAS unexpected. Nobody here could even imagine it.
As for the time it takes to rebuild unless you have faced some of the very same challenges please do not throw stones. I lost my home and everything I owned including my business. It took over a year to settle insurance claims. Acquiring overpriced building materials was a nightmare due to supply and demand. Every day continues to be a challenge. My homeowners insurance has tripled. My business which depends on the health of the economy is in death throes. More than 2/3 of the people in my town have abandoned their homes and moved away. If I could get even half of what my home appraised for pre-Katrina I might do the same thing. For months and months I worked myself sick while living in a FEMA trailer trying to get my life back on track.
Make no bones about it, recovery in one area cannot be compared to another. Every single person who has had their life forever altered by a natural disaster has a unique set of obstacles and challenges laid out before them. My observation as a victim/survivor of Katrina is that most people do the absolute best they can. Trust me, it's a lot harder than you can imagine when everything for miles and miles is decimated and your heart is completely broken.
This all makes me mad this morning. :cry:
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#22 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:37 am

I understand! I went through three myself in 2004. I now you guys got messed up pretty bad. I just don't understand why the rebuilding is taking so long...
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#23 Postby jasons2k » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:39 am

wxfollower wrote:Jschlitz, name me one welfare recipient that will do the work illegals are doing? Enough said.

What does that have to do with anything? There are plenty PLENTY of US workers willing to do the work if the price is right. It's all about economics. This notion that US workers won't do the work that illegals do is a false argument put forth by big business to justify low wages. I'm as conservative, pro-business as they come, but this argument just doesn't hold water IMO. I just want the people in the media making this argument to state the real reason, that's all. It's all about $$.
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#24 Postby Suzi » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:42 am

wxfollower wrote:I understand! I went through three myself in 2004. I now you guys got messed up pretty bad. I just don't understand why the rebuilding is taking so long...


The short answer is simple. The number of people affected and habitable structures destroyed is/was immense.
The long answer includes issues such as levee protection systems, delicate wetlands restoration and an economy that depends on tourism when the industry has been brought to its knees. etc, etc, etc.
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#25 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:48 am

The rebuilding takes so long because ... 3 states are trying to rebuild at the same time .... average building prices are $125 per sq. ft. .... contractors are hard to find ...good ones at that ..... material is hard to find ..... insurance companies didn't pay for the most part.......insurance is almost impossible to find and if you do it is more than your monthly mortgage ...... building codes are changing ...... want me to keep going....geez.

A $450,000 home here cost $28,000 per year to insure.

A $100,000 home can cost $8000 to insure.
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#26 Postby SCshorty » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:49 am

There is a huge difference in being open for business, and being recovered. Here in the Charleston area, within a day or two after Hugo came through, there were a couple of stores "open" here and there. They were running with no electricity, no water, busted windows, etc. Using hand held battery operated calculators and cardboard boxes instead of cash registers just so people could pick up some water or cokes or get diapers for their babies or something else they needed. They weren't doing it to be "back in business", but were in fact a part of survival and early recovery efforts. Could be that the stores in Mexico that are "back in business" so quickly are doing the same thing. Conditions don't have to be all that good to open the doors and sell something that escaped damage and is in need. I would highly doubt that anything is any where near back to normal where Dean just hit!
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#27 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:51 am

Bluefrog wrote:The rebuilding takes so long because ... 3 states are trying to rebuild at the same time .... average building prices are $125 per sq. ft. .... contractors are hard to find ...good ones at that ..... material is hard to find ..... insurance companies didn't pay for the most part.......insurance is almost impossible to find and if you do it is more than your monthly mortgage ...... building codes are changing ...... want me to keep going....geez.

A $450,000 home here cost $28,000 per year to insure.

A $100,000 home can cost $8000 to insure.


BLUeFROG, I have an answer, but it will be political one, but I think your smart enough to know what the answer is. I will give you a hint it begins with the letter "I", and it is not found ion this country. 8-)
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#28 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:52 am

wxfollower (and some others)... If you are trying to piss us off ... you've succeeded. You obviously haven't been here on the Mississippi Gulf Coast or you would not make such statements.
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#29 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:58 am

Bluefrog, I just agreed with you that more should be done to restore things. I was only commenting on OP's thread...You seem the only one pissed off about I don't know what....
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#30 Postby southerngale » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:58 am

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but a few posts and from those... first of all, no politics allowed. When you say things like "I have an answer, but it will be political one," you're just asking for trouble. Please read the Rules in the Storm2k Rules & Announcements Forum. Politics are not allowed.

Also, try to show a little sensitivity when you post. Areas from SE TX to Florida have been devastated by hurricanes the past few years. Whether you think we *should* live here or not doesn't change the fact that human beings' lives have been forever changed. Make your points with a little sensitivity, please.
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#31 Postby Downdraft » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:12 pm

Okay, since this is people talking to people and not politicians talking to voters I'd like to hear from those of you that survived Katrina what you think needs to be done now to get back to normalcy. Where do you start, what would you do?
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#32 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:19 pm

You start with fixing the insurance industry.
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#33 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:23 pm

For some of you coast dwellers who are rebuilding, what do YOU think the answer is. Do you expect to be hit by a hurricane again? Was the flooding really unprecedented? If no one lived there before then how can you define unprecedented if there weren't any observers?

My point is that these are important and difficult questions that need to be answered. Politely, and with compassion, but also with firm resolve.

This is very similar to the flood plain situation that we are only just now dealing with. Remember when the flood insurance program changed the rules so you couldn't get insurance if you rebuilt in a flood plain? Unfortunately this is typical of development. Land sells, houses are built, people move in, weather happens.

This is why so many hurricane forecasters have been warning us that our coasts are a disaster waiting to happen. It seems unprecedented, but it's not, it's a man made disaster. And I'm sorry, I suspect this is a very difficult issue to deal with but you all who live on the coasts need to, in my opinion, be MORE aware of the dangers involved.

Coastal lands flood when hurricanes hit.
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#34 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:30 pm

your post has to be one of the most ignorant post i have ever read on this site
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#35 Postby Suzi » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:30 pm

My biggest obstacle has been the insurance issues. This is an industry that needs some good extensive observation and analysis and CHANGE.
I can understand that when there are hundreds of thousands of claims to settle that delays are inevitable. I can also understand that mistakes can and will be made as this industry is human powered and we humans are not infallible. What I don't understand is why it can take 3 sets of adjusters to view a flooded out house that is fermenting in the hot sun to agree that indeed, it was flooded out. In the case of my business, it took two sets of adjusters to view a slab and decide that yes, there was damage here as well. My final insurance payout was November of 2006. Sorry, but 15 months to settlement while I struggle in a FEMA trailer and have paid my premiums on time for 20+ years is a bit long in my opinion.
The final straw was being cancelled by my homeowners this year. They have decided not to write policies here anymore. My new insurance now costs me more than 3 times as much.
In my opinion these sorts of business practices are vulgar and immoral. Let it be said also that I am in no way an exception but instead part of the rule here. :x
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#36 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:33 pm

Bluefrog wrote:your post has to be one of the most ignorant post i have ever read on this site


Umm, didn't southerngale say "be sensitive"?
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#37 Postby SETXweatherwatcher » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:33 pm

I have to agree with Bluefrog, here. Because we here in Texas helped ourselves and each other, we "showed" that we were capable of helpling ourselves and therefore get told we don't need any "assistance" and to just go on. Insurance companies sent down adjusters from Ohio that don't know what a hurricane is much less what kind of damage it can cause and therefore detemine that my porch must have looked that way to begin with and that my porch roof WAS NOT affected by winduplift and yes the the house needed to be leveled but must have been a previous problem prior to the hurricane. And the roller coaster effect over my garage was just the way it was prior to Rita. Luckily they realized that we didn't go around on a day to day basis prior to Rita with a big frickin hole in our roof!!!!

No contractors to be found, we did the work ourselves and after 8 months of being displaced we finally moved back into our home. Is the work complete, no. Ran out of money because we had to have the house leveled and was not given money to cover that from the insurance.

Next time I am not going to evac and sit my behind on the side of the highway and swoon!!!
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#38 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:39 pm

wxfollower wrote:
Bluefrog wrote:your post has to be one of the most ignorant post i have ever read on this site


Umm, didn't southerngale say "be sensitive"?



She said that very exact thing and I still stand with my statement that is most most ignorant post I think I've ever read here.
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#39 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:50 pm

Bluefrog wrote:
wxfollower wrote:
Bluefrog wrote:your post has to be one of the most ignorant post i have ever read on this site


Umm, didn't southerngale say "be sensitive"?



She said that very exact thing and I still stand with my statement that is most most ignorant post I think I've ever read here.


Ok, well you re-build your house and when the next hurricane comes I'll be one of the people fighting to make sure no tax money helps you rebuild. I am compassionate once, but if people make the same mistake again and then attack those of us who try to get them to think about what they're doing then I won't be there the next time.

Like I said, look at the history of flood insurance and river flood plains. It's about the same with the same argument. It's not easy for people to come to this realization. I respect your right to live where you want, but don't tell me that after wetlands are drained and coastal communities built that a disaster was unexpected.

There is a chance you won't get hit again in a hundred years, and there's a chance you might get hit next month. What do you think will happen if another storm rips up the same coast again?

I would like to see tax and insurance money used to move towns away from the coast so we don't have to play hurricane roulette every year.
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#40 Postby Suzi » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:52 pm

Ok, I live in the hurricane zone....For those in flood plains, earthquake zones, tornado alley and lets not leave out all those who suffer through blizzards, where ARE we going to go? Where can we go on this planet to escape a possible natural or man made disaster?

Perhaps the answer is improvement in handling these associated issues. Seems trying to avoid them entirely is totally futile.

I was born and raised in the Gulf south . I have been through quite a few storms. During my lifetime the damage of Katrina is unprecedented. I don't believe that any storm surge has come close to rivaling it either. My house was built beyond what code requires. It was no match however for Katrina and her surge. Will it happen again? It might. Will I be ready? I'll try. This is my home, my life. My resources do not allow other options at present anyway.
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