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#41 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:53 pm

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>>Dr. Jeff Masters reports estimated damage in Mexico beyond $1 billion dollars. And that estimate may increase with time.

Maybe. Now factor in 80 billion and you get the idea that maybe Dean caused 1/80th of the damage Katrina did.

>>I understand! I went through three myself in 2004. I now you guys got messed up pretty bad. I just don't understand why the rebuilding is taking so long...

Unless you lost everything you owned, the 3 that you went through might have knocked some tree limbs down and lost power. Did you lose your house? Did you lose all your stuff? Did it sit in water for weeks? Did you have to scramble your life for a while and couch surf at someone's house for months/years waiting to deal with it.

A) Inept Federal Government (regardless of inept state and local governments).

B) So you wanna rebuild, but they won't tell you if you can or if you whether you will be eligible for the NFIP. In fact, the Army Corps was releasing the new 100 year flood maps TODAY for the Southshore of Lake Pontchartrain (Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, Jefferson Parishes).

C) They wouldn't define exactly who had to raise and to what level in order to be covered (last fall, they did further surveying).

D) When my city lost more than 100,000 dwellings, what do you do?

E) You probably got temporarily relocated for work. In my case, I was in South Alabama (in another devastated area) and working in Mobile until November 2005. I would come home on the weekends to empy the contents of my 2,300sf house. And maybe you've tried to lift a load of wet towels before, but when everything is soaked, completely, it easily weighs 5 times more than it does dry.

F) Building permitting got bogged down again based on elevation problems.

G) Insurance companies deciding they simply weren't going to pay. And that's after you wait 3-4 months for an inspector to even come out and assess your damage.

I could go through the alphabet 3 or 4 times with this, but I'm not going to. The only people who were back up in their homes in 3-5 months were those who didn't have flood damage or those who had enough money on the side to do the work themselves and deal with insurance later.

>>Okay, since this is people talking to people and not politicians talking to voters I'd like to hear from those of you that survived Katrina what you think needs to be done now to get back to normalcy. Where do you start, what would you do?

I have no idea. It's a big catch 22. Many people can't afford insurance anymore. So I guess a start is that the government decide to either back catastrophies so that insurers will write policies or put wind and hail in the flood policies. Our city requires substantial cheap labor because of it being based on tourism. Without affordable rental units, you're not going to have those workers. Without competiton, the rental prices make you think you're living on Manhattan Island without the quality of life. Without guaranteed levee protection at least to Cat 3 or 4, smart people aren't going to come back because they can't guaranty that they won't lose all of their possessions and their home for a second time.

>>For some of you coast dwellers who are rebuilding, what do YOU think the answer is. Do you expect to be hit by a hurricane again? Was the flooding really unprecedented? If no one lived there before then how can you define unprecedented if there weren't any observers?

I'm not rebuilding, but my ex-wife is. FWIW, she got her federal money 3 weeks ago, and her contractor is expected to start work on the house sometime next week. Yes, we expect to get hit by a hurricane again. Yes, the flooding was unprecedented both for the area and for the entire United State of America. There weren't levees before, and the water would roll out just as fast as it rolled in (similar to storm tides and surges).

I'll say this - New Orleans cannot be replaced. You can't just move all the port tonnage because most of that comes from the heartland. You can't just eliminate the oil and gas industry because we provide a large chunk of America's energy sources (oil, natural gas). You can't just nuke the seafood industry because people eat seafood. So for all those who say we shouldn't rebuild or whatever, that's not really an option. This isn't some retreat community that could be redone elsewhere for the same affect. This is a working coast that provides much more for the world than it takes back.

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#42 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:57 pm

I don't want your tax money .. never asked for it ... never expected it and don't want anyone elses either for my personal rebuilding. In fact in the next hurricane ... I invite you down here to do your fighting against us rebuilding ... come on down now in fact ..... we would love to greet you.
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#43 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:57 pm

>>Ok, well you re-build your house and when the next hurricane comes I'll be one of the people fighting to make sure no tax money helps you rebuild.

I could understand if you were bitching about people who were whining because their $5,000,000 condos on the ocean got destroyed by storm surge. We are 80 miles inland. We have had many storms before. But because your tax dollars went to levees that were known to be faulty that were supposed to protect us from massive flooding so we could produce your energy and harvest your seafood, maybe you should be sued along with the Corps of Engineers. My house was far inland. It was at sea level. It was raised. And it had never flooded since 1950 when it was built. The fault lies with bad engineering. They should protect those of us who are securing you future as Americans. And for all the complaining people were doing when gas was at $3.50, Port Fouchon missed by about 10 miles getting wiped the bleep out. No one even knows about Port Fourchon. But you will some day. And then maybe you'll wish you would have fought harder for real fixes instead of the b.s. temporary stuff typical of America these days.

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#44 Postby Windsurfer_NYC » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:01 pm

Within 50 miles of the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts, "There are an estimated 48 million people now living in harm's way," said Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center."About 85 percent of this population has never felt the direct effect of a major hurricane," he added. Mayfield said the below-normal hurricane activity of the 1970s and 80s encouraged an explosive building boom along both coasts."The lack of significant storm activity led residents to assume their locations were safe or if their community was near a land-falling storm, the encounter was indicative of a direct hit."

-- NOAA, May 2001

"We're eventually going to get a strong enough storm in a densely populated area to have a major disaster. I know people don't want to hear this, and I'm generally a very positive person, but we're setting ourselves up for this major disaster."

-- Max Mayfield, Jan 2007
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#45 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:02 pm

Steve wrote::x

>>Dr. Jeff Masters reports estimated damage in Mexico beyond $1 billion dollars. And that estimate may increase with time.

Maybe. Now factor in 80 billion and you get the idea that maybe Dean caused 1/80th of the damage Katrina did.

>>I understand! I went through three myself in 2004. I now you guys got messed up pretty bad. I just don't understand why the rebuilding is taking so long...

Unless you lost everything you owned, the 3 that you went through might have knocked some tree limbs down and lost power. Did you lose your house? Did you lose all your stuff? Did it sit in water for weeks? Did you have to scramble your life for a while and couch surf at someone's house for months/years waiting to deal with it.

A) Inept Federal Government (regardless of inept state and local governments).

B) So you wanna rebuild, but they won't tell you if you can or if you whether you will be eligible for the NFIP. In fact, the Army Corps was releasing the new 100 year flood maps TODAY for the Southshore of Lake Pontchartrain (Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, Jefferson Parishes).

C) They wouldn't define exactly who had to raise and to what level in order to be covered (last fall, they did further surveying).

D) When my city lost more than 100,000 dwellings, what do you do?

E) You probably got temporarily relocated for work. In my case, I was in South Alabama (in another devastated area) and working in Mobile until November 2005. I would come home on the weekends to empy the contents of my 2,300sf house. And maybe you've tried to lift a load of wet towels before, but when everything is soaked, completely, it easily weighs 5 times more than it does dry.

F) Building permitting got bogged down again based on elevation problems.

G) Insurance companies deciding they simply weren't going to pay. And that's after you wait 3-4 months for an inspector to even come out and assess your damage.

I could go through the alphabet 3 or 4 times with this, but I'm not going to. The only people who were back up in their homes in 3-5 months were those who didn't have flood damage or those who had enough money on the side to do the work themselves and deal with insurance later.

>>Okay, since this is people talking to people and not politicians talking to voters I'd like to hear from those of you that survived Katrina what you think needs to be done now to get back to normalcy. Where do you start, what would you do?

I have no idea. It's a big catch 22. Many people can't afford insurance anymore. So I guess a start is that the government decide to either back catastrophies so that insurers will write policies or put wind and hail in the flood policies. Our city requires substantial cheap labor because of it being based on tourism. Without affordable rental units, you're not going to have those workers. Without competiton, the rental prices make you think you're living on Manhattan Island without the quality of life. Without guaranteed levee protection at least to Cat 3 or 4, smart people aren't going to come back because they can't guaranty that they won't lose all of their possessions and their home for a second time.

>>For some of you coast dwellers who are rebuilding, what do YOU think the answer is. Do you expect to be hit by a hurricane again? Was the flooding really unprecedented? If no one lived there before then how can you define unprecedented if there weren't any observers?

I'm not rebuilding, but my ex-wife is. FWIW, she got her federal money 3 weeks ago, and her contractor is expected to start work on the house sometime next week. Yes, we expect to get hit by a hurricane again. Yes, the flooding was unprecedented both for the area and for the entire United State of America. There weren't levees before, and the water would roll out just as fast as it rolled in (similar to storm tides and surges).

I'll say this - New Orleans cannot be replaced. You can't just move all the port tonnage because most of that comes from the heartland. You can't just eliminate the oil and gas industry because we provide a large chunk of America's energy sources (oil, natural gas). You can't just nuke the seafood industry because people eat seafood. So for all those who say we shouldn't rebuild or whatever, that's not really an option. This isn't some retreat community that could be redone elsewhere for the same affect. This is a working coast that provides much more for the world than it takes back.

Steve


Steve, I understand your anger, but the fact remains this is what happens when you build and build on the coastline. Crap like this happens. Do I have sympathy for those living on the coast, eh, somewhat, but very little. I used to live in Cali back in the day and my house was cracked inside and out, but not totally ruined. It was livable, as was everyone around the neighborhood I lived at. No, it was run down or in a bad area, the quake (whittier) hit within 10 miles from my house. I did not lose anything, nor did my parents decide to restore the cracked walls and ceiling. Quakes happen, and if it happens again you deal with it. People on the coast should understand what they get into when buying on the coast in cane prone areas. You know what it is "complacency" that it will never happen to them because it hasn't happened in awhile. Tampa faces that same problem, and when it hits, they will be wondering what happened too. No, I did not own a home in 2004 and probably never will as long as I live in Florida. Nevertheless, I understand you...
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#46 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:03 pm

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/hu ... amille.htm

and

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/pu ... .026.shtml?

COASTAL STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 18 TO 22 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE
LEVELS...LOCALLY AS HIGH AS 28 FEET...ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS
BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE EXPECTED NEAR AND TO THE EAST OF WHERE THE
CENTER MAKES LANDFALL. SOME LEVEES IN THE GREATER NEW ORLEANS AREA
COULD BE OVERTOPPED. SIGNIFICANT STORM SURGE FLOODING WILL OCCUR
ELSEWHERE ALONG THE CENTRAL AND NORTHEASTERN GULF OF MEXICO COAST.
NOAA BUOY 42040 LOCATED ABOUT 50 MILES EAST OF THE MOUTH OF THE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER RECENTLY REPORTED WAVES HEIGHTS OF AT LEAST 46
FEET.

It's happened before, many times I'd bet, but no one lived where the flooding was.

You can't live in a 100% safe place. I live in a tornado zone, so we make sure to have straps on the foundation and roof, but we can't survive much above an f2 tornado, if that. It's all about risk. For some reason the risk on the coast was underestimated. Move 20 miles inland and the risk greatly decreases.

I think you're reading an angry argument into what I'm saying. I'm not angry, but I want changes so we don't have to deal with the level of disaster that Katrina brought. I believe we'll see more Katrina's in the next 20 years and eventually it will be obvious that we need to change the way we do things.
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#47 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:06 pm

Steve, I agree with you. Pascagoula, Mississippi has Chevron's largest US refinery ... we are on the coast. Pascagoula has Northrop Grumman which builds the navy's warships (don't think I need explain what they are for). You can't just wipe away everything on the coast .... that is beyond ridiculous.
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#48 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:09 pm

"Move 20 miles inland and the risk greatly decreases"

are you kidding me?! you seriously don't have any idea of the damage down here .... no idea at all.
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#49 Postby storms in NC » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:14 pm

I am from NC and I have lost my home to Floyd back in 1999. it took us over 3 years to rebuild our home back. But let me say one thing here. I left NC 2 days after Katrina hit. I had my truck full of stuff. Food first-aid you name it I had it. I was there for 3 weeks. And I can tell you that I have never ever seen what I had seen there. It looked like a bomb had went off and took every thing. The people out side of N.O. Did NOT STAND our side with their hands open. They did things them selfs. They didn't ask for any help. Let me tell you who did. I seen it with my own eyes. They took people that were in jail down to get food and supplies. Drinks candy money you name it they got it. Now that made me mad as He!!. The people were to proud to take any thing. They didn't go and stand in lines to get any thing. I would drive up to a home and give them water food etc.. what ever I had. They didn't want to take it. I told them I was in their place once and to please take what I had. It wasn't much but would help a little. We That live in Dublin Co. didn't get any help for 4 weeks after Floyd.

Oh one other thing in Miss and La the Ins people wouldn't come to your home you had to fine someone to do a estment. That is not lie. My Friend was in the hospital after Katrina hit and almost died. So I was trying to get things done while I was there. And when I called the ins people and they told me that I was pissed. I ask what happen to all the men caming to save the day like you all have on TV. didn't happen.
So people I was there to help I know what went on down there and still is. And I live in NC and a 50 year old Lady drove a lone 12 hours with a good piece to my side.LOL. To do so and will again. I know what most are going though.

Here in my own town we still see homes unused or tore down. Floyd will always be here.

Okay off my box.
Just wanted to let some of you all know I know what you all are going though.
Some of you may remember when I went down there.

Will I wish the best for you all in Miss La


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#50 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:14 pm

Tolakram .... your post was from an advisory given the morning of the hurricane ... a little hard to get that info when you don't have electricity and it's real time information and it's a little late to move your personal items BECAUSE you are already in the middle of the hurricane. Geez.


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HURRICANE KATRINA ADVISORY NUMBER 26
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
4 AM CDT MON AUG 29 2005
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#51 Postby brunota2003 » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:15 pm

I skipped through and read the thread...
Anyways, it took us here after Isabel months, if not over a year, to completely recover. Some people wonder why it takes so long. The media, in covering Isabel, covered only the "major" cities being hit (i.e. New Bern, Morehead City, Virginia Beach, etc). What they did not show was the complete destruction of rural areas (i.e. Harlowe, Adams Creek, Hyde County, etc). There were a bunch of homes in the Outer Banks that were damaged and there were a bunch of homes along the rivers here that got flooded out.

STORM SURGE AND BEACH EROSION
EFFECTS HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT IN OUTER BANKS DARE AND HYDE COUNTIES.
WIND AND WATER DAMAGE WAS EXTENSIVE ACROSS THE OUTER BANKS WITH WIND
GUSTS IN EXCESS OF 100 MPH. THREE PIERS WERE DESTROYED.
APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40 HOMES ON THE OUTER BANKS HAVE BEEN
KNOCKED OFF THEIR PILINGS. SIGNIFICANT WATER LEVEL RISES ON THE
NEUSE AND PAMLICO RIVERS HAVE RESULTED IN FLOODING OF MANY HOMES
ACROSS CRAVEN...EASTERN CARTERET...AND EASTERN PAMLICO COUNTIES.

WINDS IN EXCESS OF HURRICANE FORCE RESULTED IN NUMEROUS TRESS AND
POWER LINES DOWN WITH LOSS OF ELECTRICITY TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE OVER EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA.
Source: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/mhx/HurricaneIsabel.html

Am I complaining of the lack of media coverage? No. However, the media missed one thing, that I hardly doubt they would of showed anyways. The local Marine Corps paper is called the "Windsock". I have a copy of the paper from October 9, 2003 and one of the front page articles reads "Marines clean up from Isabel". 70 Marines and their families traveled down to Harlowe and the surrounding areas and helped them pick up the pieces. People lost their houses, people lost their property and these Marines, who had probably just got done cleaning their yards up and cutting fallen trees, decided to help them anyways. Can I get an "OOH-RAH!" or "Semper Fidelis!"? (Latin for "Always Faithful")

The other thing I've noticed is, just from a "weak Category One" Hurricane, people in Central Virgina were without power for 2 to 4 weeks, depending on where you lived. My grandmother said you could not go anywhere without running across some downed tree. Now what I've noticed is, recovery time varies from place to place on several factors. How much destruction was there? Are people helping each other out? What kind of aid is available to these people? Even if a place is completely destroyed, IF the people are willing to help each other out and the aid is there, it will not take more than maybe 5 years. But if you get to squabbling and fighting and refuse to help your neighbors out because of some petty difference, expect that time to most likely double if not triple (10 or 20 years sounds about right, if not longer).

Before anyone bashes me or claims I have not seen what can happen first hand or says I am not being sensitive, let me just say this is from my personal experience and my opinion. Have I been in something like Katrina? No I have not. Have I had my belongings taken away by something I cannot control? No I have not. This is just from what I have witnessed around here. I will see if I can locate the article in the archives (if they have it) and post a link for anyone interested in reading it.

Well, I found the article, no true link to it though.
Marines clean up from Isabel
CPL. KEVIN P. HAYNER STAFF CORRESPONDENT

The recent devastation of Hurricane Isabel in the Coastal Carolina area can still be felt in communities such as Harlow and Atlantic Beach, N.C. Cherry Point received minor destruction, but these surrounding communities and residents lost homes and property, their lives changed forever by the effects of the hurricane.
Over 70 Marines and their families recently volunteered to help clean up and assist their neighbors in the first step in what will be a long process of putting their lives back together. "I was hoping for 10 people," said Gunnery Sgt. Donald Maurer, who organized the working party. "Over 70 showed up. It 's amazing." "We as Marines take care of our neighbors. If this was me, I 'd expect some help too," said Maurer. "I received a call from a friend of a friend who said these people needed help in cleaning up. People were willing to help; they just needed someone to start it."
Maurer said when he arrived at the site in Harlow, he had no idea what the area would look like. Red Cross and Salvation Army volunteers had already set up shop the day of the hurricane, providing food and other essentials to the residents. "The devastation is unbelievable. Two houses collapsed, three mobile homes just knocked off their foundation. I don 't know how I 'd deal with it," said Maurer, a Claire, Mich. native.
Maurer heard one story of a family who lived here.
"The husband had to swim out the back door to the neighbor 's house to get a boat to get out. The mother had to carry the child over her head while wading to the boat to get to safety. That 's when my heart went out to these folks. I have three kids of my own. When it deals with children, I get involved. No one should have to go through that and not get any help."
Volunteers came out for various reasons, but whatever they were, homeowners and longstanding residents, Brooks and Carole Frances Stalnaker said the Marines were nothing short of a God-send. The Stalnakers are a retired couple who lost their home in the devastation, but vow to have another built in the same spot. "We couldn 't be anywhere else and get this type of help," said Brooks. "We we 're having problems with the clean-up, but now… This is a huge help to us."
Resident Dan Stevens thought the arrival of the Marines was fantastic.
"They 're doing more than anyone," said Stevens proudly. "They came here to work and help out," Army Chief Warrant Officer Charles Garner said this wasn 't the first time Marines came out to help. "They 've been scattered here and there, but this is the first time they 've come out in such a huge force," said Garner. The Marines have been helping out in all facets of the storm from local preparations to the cleanup of the aftermath, keeping with the traditional motto of "Always Faithful." "We 're Marines," said Maurer, "and we care about our neighbors. This is why I 'm here."

Source: http://www.thewindsocknews.com/Default/ ... 7812777000
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#52 Postby SETXweatherwatcher » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:19 pm

Rita caused damage over 100 miles inland. The flooding was only in low-lying areas at the coast.
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#53 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:20 pm

Deb, thank you for helping down here. It is appreciated more than you will ever know and that goes for everyone who donated time, money and or items. It did and still does look like a bomb went off here. I met many military people that said they had seen bomb sites in Iraq that looked better than our towns.
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#54 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:20 pm

You keep attacking without explanation. I suggest that for every 20 miles inland the risk decreases. If you live right on the coast you are at risk with even a minimal hurricane, 20 miles in and only a major might get you, another 20 miles, maybe only a 4 or 5, etc. I'm sure there are areas where you need more than 20 miles, maybe you live in one.

The surge was not unprecedented, everything else was man made.

What exactly are you arguing against? I want you to have enough money from insurance and or emergency relief to be able to re-build your home in a safer location. I want you to understand that the storm surge from Katrina was mostly a man made disaster and not something that was unprecedented. I understand that's the term everyone uses, but I think it's inaccurate.

Katrina delivered the expected energy for a storm her size.

Bluefrog:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/pu ... .024.shtml?

You can go back further and see the same thing.
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#55 Postby Suzi » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:22 pm

storms in NC wrote:I am from NC and I have lost my home to Floyd back in 1999. it took us over 3 years to rebuild our home back. But let me say one thing here. I left NC 2 days after Katrina hit. I had my truck full of stuff. Food first-aid you name it I had it. I was there for 3 weeks. And I can tell you that I have never ever seen what I had seen there. It looked like a bomb had went off and took every thing.


Bless you and THANK YOU.
It was folks like yourself that gave me and my son our first drink of fresh water and something to eat 4 days after the storm. I will never forget the overflow of kindness and compassion from so many.
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#56 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:22 pm

>>Steve, I understand your anger, but the fact remains this is what happens when you build and build on the coastline.

We don't live on the coast. There are a myriad of problems that have exposed us, primarily having to do with the oil and gas industry.

>>Crap like this happens. Do I have sympathy for those living on the coast, eh, somewhat, but very little.

Again, I was 80 miles inland and at sea level. I understand if you're talking about high-end beach properties. But we are Americans. And like I said, we contribute far more than we ask for in return. We, SE LA and southern MS, need to be protected like the Dutch have done. If you're down with a McAmerica world, then fine. I'm not.

>>I used to live in Cali back in the day and my house was cracked inside and out, but not totally ruined. It was livable, as was everyone around the neighborhood I lived at. No, it was run down or in a bad area, the quake (whittier) hit within 10 miles from my house. I did not lose anything, nor did my parents decide to restore the cracked walls and ceiling. Quakes happen, and if it happens again you deal with it.

Well we also deal with storms pretty frequently. And the Whittier quake was insane. But it's not the doomsday quake that will one day affect Southern California or the New Madrid areas of TN, AR, MO and KY. One day, an 8 or 9 is going to happen and there will also be MILLIONS of displaced people, THOUSANDS of dead people and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of homeless people.

>>People on the coast should understand what they get into when buying on the coast in cane prone areas.

I'm from New Orleans. My parents are from New Orleans. We know the risks. We paid taxes and insurance to hedge against them. We got screwed through no fault of our own.

>>You know what it is "complacency" that it will never happen to them because it hasn't happened in awhile. Tampa faces that same problem, and when it hits, they will be wondering what happened too. No, I did not own a home in 2004 and probably never will as long as I live in Florida. Nevertheless, I understand you...

Yeah, that's going to happen in Tampa. And yes, it's going to happen in Jacksonville. And yes, it's going to happen to Savannah. And yes, it's going to happen to Charleston. And yes, it's going to happen to Brownsville. And yes, it's going to happen to Houston. And yes, it's going to happen to Washington D.C. And yes, it's going to happen to New York City. And yes, it's going to happen to Boston. And yes, it's going to happen to Providence. We all know the threats. The difference was that my city was not a coastal community. It is inland. And it should have been protected, because me, you and everyone else paid for it to be. Had some levees been overtopped and we lost a couple thousand houses, that can be explained. But when faulty design and construction that was later found to be known when it was implemented is the cause, what do you do? We flood here all the time from rain as it is. People know our pumps can only handle "x" amounts of water per hour. But this was different.

FWIW, where the levees were overtopped, Hayne Blvd. in New Orleans East, the surge just washed through the neighborhood. Almost none of the houses right along that part of town flooded while interior New Orleans East was completely destroyed.

Steve
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#57 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:25 pm

Hurricanes are simply horrible. Because of the devastation.
As a naive teenager, I wanted to experience big storms,
but over the years I am getting more mature, and at
age 19 with concerns about safety and living and homes
evolving, I am starting to realize that Hurricanes are Horrible.
Period. They are just horrible. So much has been lost.

Granted, a 40 mph rainy tropical storm hitting when your area is having it's
worst drought in 100 years is one thing, but a Hurricane hitting
that is wiping out buildings is horrible.



I will say this- Wishing for storms is something that naive people
(I was naive once) do, I remember wishing for Jeanne in 2004 when
I was 17 years old and wanted teenage thrill, and then I went outside
to experience it and almost got killed. My mom was warning me afterwards
about how a tree or flying debris could have crushed me out of existence. Anyway, my point is,
I eventually realized that wishing for storms is a BAD idea.
Especially after seeeing what Katrina did, I realized that it is horrible to
wish for something that hurts people.

And so I got more mature eventually.

So as of right now- I hope no hurricanes hurt anyone.
They are Horrible. Period.
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#58 Postby Bluefrog » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:30 pm

tolakram .... I surrender .... I guess from your point of view I deserved what I got and I really don't have anything else to say to what I believe are uninformed and ignorant statements as to what happened down here.
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#59 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:33 pm

Ok,

For those of you who live on the coast, what should we be discussing? We can't stop hurricanes, and they can do a massive amount of damage. If you're going to refute every possibility then what are your suggestions for minimizing the loss to life and property? These discussions always go downhill insanely fast and usually get stopped. So do we not discuss it? Do we accept the fact people will continue to build up our coastlines and expose themselves to disaster?

Remember that we have gone through a period of below normal activity while the coasts have been built up. Most forecasters agree that we are now in an active period. If you don't want to answer any other question then please answer this one.

If your area got hit 3 times by hurricanes in a 10 year period what, if anything, do you think would change? If something would change then why not make the change now instead of waiting for the airplane to crash?

tolakram .... I surrender .... I guess from your point of view I deserved what I got and I really don't have anything else to say to what I believe are uninformed and ignorant statements as to what happened down here.


bluefrog, I told you how I feel, but I don't think you're reading what I'm saying. You want to be mad at me, I'm sorry.
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#60 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:35 pm

Bluefrog wrote:tolakram .... I surrender .... I guess from your point of view I deserved what I got and I really don't have anything else to say to what I believe are uninformed and ignorant statements as to what happened down here.


Bluefrog I think it is horrible to root for hurricanes...because of all the devastation,
so I agree with you. Those wishing are ignorant and have no idea what a hurricane
is really like. And I do not mean to offend anyone here, but those wanting hurricanes are
Delusional. Delusional is a term used in psychiatry but it is appliucable here because it is
a complete delusion to expect positive results from a negative event (such as a hurricane).

And I was once delusional. All I can say is that it is ignorance that individuals grow out of, Hopefully.


And delusions are dangerous and often cost people their lives.
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