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#41 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:48 pm

WHY can't the government get people homes
promptly after a disaster? After katrina the whole
government failed. I am so mad that they can't help those
who are hurricane victims efficiently. GGGEEEZZZ.

I don't mean this as politics if it is I'm sorry to everyone
if this offends anybodies poltical views but
I'm just mad that FEMA can't get homes for people in
prompt time.
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#42 Postby Steve » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:53 pm

It's okay wxwoman. We're all fascinated by hurricanes. That's why we're here, at least the prolific among us. And I'm overdue a contribution to this place anyway (catch with you guys on payday). I know where you're coming from, but this isn't a boring season so far. And we've got a really long way to go. (cr)Accuweather said they expect 6 US landfalls this year, 3 of which will be hurricanes, 1 (or 2?) major(s).

I didn't lose my dad, he's still alive - what's left of him. But I did lose my mom about a year to the date before Katrina. That's what made stuff so hard for my dad to deal with losing thousands of photos of his, my mom's and our childhood. He was just looking, hoping for something to recover. Luckily for him, the one piece of furniture that didn't float and subsequently disinitegrate was his china cabinet. So we were able to eventually soak the china and the crystal that survived in bleach, wash them a few times and turn them back over to him. And on the last day we were cleaning out the attic, we found an old school project where someone had stolen a 2 x 3 photo of my mom in a wedding dress (obviously without her permission). He showed up that day to bring us lunch, and he was elated seeing that picture. It was a far cry from standing out front of the house on the day we snuck back into town to find what we could, watching him shake his head and finally deciding to say a prayer and breaking down. You don't see your daddy cry too often, and even at 41, that was a mf for me. He's physically okay, but the dual traumas of losing his wife and all his stuff took a heavy toll on him. They say he doesn't have alzheimers, just that the stresses of what he's gone through mimmick the condition. At least we still have him, but he's not the same. No one is.

So when we jump back, try not to be too offended. Nearly every one of us on this forum has been in your shoes before. Some of has have had the (mis)fortune of learning better. Maybe one day you'll also get a tropical lesson you'll never forget.

Me? I'm one of the lucky ones. I don't have anything but a few suitcases, a few changes of clothes and two chests of drawers for my boys (along with their xbox 360 and some games). We can pack up and leave or move in 30 minutes if we have to. And I'm one of the lucky ones.

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#43 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:53 pm

And also if insurance is going to drop me in a hurricane whats the point of
getting it if they just are going to drop me? Get my drift???

I know theres other reasons to get insurance but if they don't do their
job and they drop you during a disaster then they are just cheating you.
It's horrible. Insurance better not drop me after a storm or I'll file
a lawsuit or something, or write a letter to the attorney general.

Or i dont know Im just 19 I know very little about insurance
except that they drop you and slam your face after a hurricane.
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#44 Postby HurricaneRobert » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:08 pm

We've had three Category 5's this year. That's not boring...
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#45 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:15 pm

HurricaneRobert wrote:We've had three Category 5's this year. That's not boring...


Hmm, which ones besides DEAN...
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#46 Postby HurricaneRobert » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:20 pm

wxfollower wrote:Hmm, which ones besides DEAN...


Gonu and Sepat.
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#47 Postby wxfollower » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:25 pm

HurricaneRobert wrote:
wxfollower wrote:Hmm, which ones besides DEAN...


Gonu and Sepat.


Ah, you mean globally...
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#48 Postby 'CaneFreak » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:38 pm

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:And also if insurance is going to drop me in a hurricane whats the point of
getting it if they just are going to drop me? Get my drift???

I know theres other reasons to get insurance but if they don't do their
job and they drop you during a disaster then they are just cheating you.
It's horrible. Insurance better not drop me after a storm or I'll file
a lawsuit or something, or write a letter to the attorney general.

Or i dont know Im just 19 I know very little about insurance
except that they drop you and slam your face after a hurricane.


Dont get me started!!! The government is doing the best they can. Lets see you whip out all the FEMA trailers they had to for ALL those people in a short couple of months. Its just not gonna happen. BTW...its also hard to please everyone...in fact its near impossible.

:D

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#49 Postby ballred » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:08 pm

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:WHY can't the government get people homes
promptly after a disaster? After katrina the whole
government failed. I am so mad that they can't help those
who are hurricane victims efficiently. GGGEEEZZZ.

I don't mean this as politics if it is I'm sorry to everyone
if this offends anybodies poltical views but
I'm just mad that FEMA can't get homes for people in
prompt time.


Ummm...maybe because FEMA was never (ever) set up to do what you are asking it to do? You mention in a later post that you are only 19. Please don't grow up thinking that the Government of all things is going to take care of you. Sorry to let you in on this, but that's just not how things work. This is not about politics, its about capabilies.

When the time comes, you have to take care of yourself. You have to have the proper insurance, you have to know when and how to take shelter, and most importantly you have to acknowledge that you live in a place that could be wiped out and be prepared to take responsibility (and I mean real personal responsibility) that that was a risk you took.

Everything after that is gravy, and you look from the bottom up. You go to your neighbors first to exchange helping hands. You hope that your City, County, and State have their act together to get the sick and elderly taken care of, the debris moved, and safety and security stabilized and get the insurance companies off their a$$es. The last group to look at in all of this is the Feds. They should be able to provide temporary (temporary means not very long as in a few months at the most) emergency shelter and an additional bump to the insurance companies. After that you have to go back to the start of the cycle to take care of yourself to the best you can. Maybe at the end it all adds up to something nearly resembling a good situation, maybe it doesn't. Thats where the personal responsibility part comes back in.

Sorry for the ThreadJack.

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#50 Postby duris » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:25 pm

'CaneFreak wrote:Dont get me started!!! The government is doing the best they can. Lets see you whip out all the FEMA trailers they had to for ALL those people in a short couple of months. Its just not gonna happen. BTW...its also hard to please everyone...in fact its near impossible.


I agree with you in principle, at least with respect to getting a large amount quickly, BUT if you actually knew people that needed FEMA trailers, you would know that the whole thing was a fiasco. Hundreds of trailers sat by the interstate south of Hattiesburg for months while people I know that needed them could not get them. The contractors FEMA used were awful. You had to be physically present to meet the inspector, then they lost the paperwork and had to do it all over again. After multiple phone calls and meetings, after a couple of months, we finally called our congressman's office and got one within four days. Meanwhile, FEMA was offering trailers to people who didn't need them, ie, in areas with no flooding or damage. Then there were the trailers sitting in Arkansas, the formaldehyde problem with trailers (now I know what the smell was in ours), and it goes on and on. I don't know whose fault it was and am not into blaming anyone (though I think the local and state government were a billion times worse than the federal government) and don't care, but I think its fair to say that the bar was very low if this was doing the best it could.
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#51 Postby 'CaneFreak » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:34 pm

duris wrote:
'CaneFreak wrote:Dont get me started!!! The government is doing the best they can. Lets see you whip out all the FEMA trailers they had to for ALL those people in a short couple of months. Its just not gonna happen. BTW...its also hard to please everyone...in fact its near impossible.


I agree with you in principle, at least with respect to getting a large amount quickly, BUT if you actually knew people that needed FEMA trailers, you would know that the whole thing was a fiasco. Hundreds of trailers sat by the interstate south of Hattiesburg for months while people I know that needed them could not get them. The contractors FEMA used were awful. You had to be physically present to meet the inspector, then they lost the paperwork and had to do it all over again. After multiple phone calls and meetings, after a couple of months, we finally called our congressman's office and got one within four days. Meanwhile, FEMA was offering trailers to people who didn't need them, ie, in areas with no flooding or damage. Then there were the trailers sitting in Arkansas, the formaldehyde problem with trailers (now I know what the smell was in ours), and it goes on and on. I don't know whose fault it was and am not into blaming anyone (though I think the local and state government were a billion times worse than the federal government) and don't care, but I think its fair to say that the bar was very low if this was doing the best it could.


I agree that was probably partly the Feds fault for the delay, but I think it was more a personal thing just as ballred said above :uarrow: . If you are stupid enough to think that the Federal government should be FULLY responsible for everything you lost and for your health issues afterwards and all of that, well then THERE YOU GO. You got another thing coming. Dealing with the aftermath of a hurricane is just as much a personal responsibility as it is a federal responsibility. Dont just think the feds are going to take care of everything by themselves. You have got to take some personal responsibility as well. Thats all I am saying and that is all I am going to say. BTW...I am only 20 years old myself...and I already understand this concept quite well. See, not all young people think the same way. :D

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#52 Postby duris » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:45 pm

'CaneFreak wrote:I agree that was probably partly the Feds fault for the delay, but I think it was more a personal thing just as ballred said above :uarrow: . If you are stupid enough to think that the Federal government should be FULLY responsible for everything you lost and for your health issues afterwards and all of that, well then THERE YOU GO. You got another thing coming. Dealing with the aftermath of a hurricane is just as much a personal responsibility as it is a federal responsibility. Dont just think the feds are going to take care of everything by themselves. You have got to take some personal responsibility as well. Thats all I am saying and that is all I am going to say. BTW...I am only 20 years old myself...and I already understand this concept quite well. See, not all young people think the same way. :D

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I agree 100% with personal responsibility and wish my 18 year old was at the point that you are. But when you live another 20+ years as I have, you will realize that nothing is that black and white (if everything was black and white, I'd no longer have a job as a lawyer). But don't forget, the federal government was also partially responsible for the flooding of New Orleans because of the levee problems under the aegis of the US Army Corps of Engineers, so the federal government should be at least partially responsible for the aftermath. It's criminal when the federal government takes better care of the families of the victims of foreign terrorists than it does families harmed by the government's own acts and omissions.
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#53 Postby MCorder » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:10 pm

Like I said in an earlier post, I was stationed in New Orleans during Katrina. We (my wife and I) lost everything. The key to us getting past it is insurance and common sense. We knew we lived below sea level in a hurricane zone, so we got insurance. We knew we needed a plan; so we made one. When Katrina came along common sense kicked in, we followed our plan, and we left. The day before the storm we eliminated our expenses (canceled all utilities), called FEMA and pre-registered, contacted our insurance agent and got that ball rolling. A few days after the storm I was living back in the city (doing rescue and recovery) and my wife was in VA Beach with her parents. Because of the pre-storm actions we were able completely re-establish ourselves in a matter of months.

That was a little long…my point is there is no one to blame but yourself for not being prepared for a disaster…especially when you live someplace like the gulf coast.

Before anyone brings up the cost…insurance was only 15.00 a month for 30,000.00 in coverage. 30,000.00 won’t replace everything but we weren’t homeless or having to wait on the government to start over again.
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#54 Postby fwbbreeze » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:14 pm

ballred wrote:
Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:WHY can't the government get people homes
promptly after a disaster? After katrina the whole
government failed. I am so mad that they can't help those
who are hurricane victims efficiently. GGGEEEZZZ.

I don't mean this as politics if it is I'm sorry to everyone
if this offends anybodies poltical views but
I'm just mad that FEMA can't get homes for people in
prompt time.


Ummm...maybe because FEMA was never (ever) set up to do what you are asking it to do? You mention in a later post that you are only 19. Please don't grow up thinking that the Government of all things is going to take care of you. Sorry to let you in on this, but that's just not how things work. This is not about politics, its about capabilies.

When the time comes, you have to take care of yourself. You have to have the proper insurance, you have to know when and how to take shelter, and most importantly you have to acknowledge that you live in a place that could be wiped out and be prepared to take responsibility (and I mean real personal responsibility) that that was a risk you took.

Everything after that is gravy, and you look from the bottom up. You go to your neighbors first to exchange helping hands. You hope that your City, County, and State have their act together to get the sick and elderly taken care of, the debris moved, and safety and security stabilized and get the insurance companies off their a$$es. The last group to look at in all of this is the Feds. They should be able to provide temporary (temporary means not very long as in a few months at the most) emergency shelter and an additional bump to the insurance companies. After that you have to go back to the start of the cycle to take care of yourself to the best you can. Maybe at the end it all adds up to something nearly resembling a good situation, maybe it doesn't. Thats where the personal responsibility part comes back in.

Sorry for the ThreadJack.

Brian


:uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: Right On!!
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#55 Postby Tstormwatcher » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:33 pm

Just found this thread and I believe that some on here need to take a chill pill. Before most of us saw what a powerful hurricane could actually do ie Charley, Katrina, and others, I bet most on here hoped for hurricanes to threaten them including me. I would have no problem with a cat 1 or less threatening eastern NC. I do live 20 miles from the coast. but I would not want anything stronger to come this way. Ophelia is the most I would ever care to see. Weatherwoman just stated what she wants to see. I have no problem with that. Those who do shouldn't post and just ignore this thread. Why get your blood pressure up over nothing.
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#56 Postby Ixolib » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:46 pm

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:WHY can't the government get people homes promptly after a disaster? After katrina the whole government failed. I am so mad that they can't help those
who are hurricane victims efficiently. GGGEEEZZZ.

I don't mean this as politics if it is I'm sorry to everyone if this offends anybodies poltical views but I'm just mad that FEMA can't get homes for people in prompt time.


Not sure what you're talking about - I'm assuming you were in Tampa and not on the MS Gulf Coast during and after Katrina's landfall??? As a survivor and direct recipient of Katrina in Biloxi - whose home was all but destroyed - I feel quite appreciative of the "government" who did what they could - when they could. Had it not been for the "government", my family and I, and dozens of our friends, would not be nearly as recovered today as we are.

Thankfully, the "government" stepped up when they could to do the best they could in the aftermath and recovery of the worst and most wide-spread disaster in anyone's memory.

Sorry, but the more time that goes by, the easier I tire of these kinds of statements that are seemingly based on little, if any, personal involvement or actual hands-on experiences with such an event and/or personal loss.

It seems to me that humanity (i.e., Americans) has come to expect way too much in these kinds of events. I choose to live on the MS coast where hurricanes are so prevalent and therefore, I - and I alone - bear about 85% of the responsibility for my own recovery - both short term (the hours and days immediately following landfall) and long term (the proper purchase of homeowners and flood insurance, etc). In fact, 85% may be a bit too low. But if the "government" wants to step in and help me with the other 15%, who am I to argue.....
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#57 Postby jasons2k » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:47 pm

Just a few quick comments...

One cannot depend on the Government. As far as that goes, 'Canefreak nailed it. When preparing for a disaster, as anyone who lives on the Gulf Coast must do, take the government out of the equation. Anything they provide is a bonus.

Secondly, when purchasing insurance, one has GOT to do their research. Andrew should have been a lesson that when it hits the fan, many of the fly-by-night companies will close and skip town. Even some of the big companies won't pay out as promised, as some Katrina victims have found out.

Just like anything else, you get what you pay for. When most people buy insurance, they simply go with the cheapest quote or call-up an agent based on their advertising or they know somebody. Consumers tend to shop quotes and then blindly sign on the dotted line. It's much, much more complicated than that. One has to do research. Insurance companies are rated for a reason; use them. But one has to go even deeper than that; you have to look at the reserve the company has set aside for claims so that the next time there is a Katrina the company doesn't go belly-up. You also have to find a company that has their risk spread-out so that a single disaster won't take down the whole company. The insurance company we use will only write so many policies in each zip code, they have a cap, so that they can minimize risk within each geograpghic area. Very, very few people do this. It's just too time consuming for most people to fool with...but a little research beforehand can save some major, MAJOR headaches in the long run.

There are good, solid insurance companies out there but you have to do your homework and find a good INDEPENDENT agent.
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#58 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:00 pm

Ok sorry I did not know that the government provided that...I thought
otherwise and wanted to convey that hurricane victims get helped
more.

Thanks for that perspective...
I used to believe that the government would provide a lot,
but that was apparently an illusion...
Ouch. My personal responsibility could use major
improvement...
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#59 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:03 pm

Sorry Everyone I take back my rant I did not know
that the government helped those people and also thought
they did different things...sorry!
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#60 Postby Frank P » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:35 pm

Life is ironic at times... getting my FEMA trailer in Nov of 05 was a major event for me... for that was the time I could finally come back "home"... of course it wasn't as nice as my house destroyed by Katrina but I was "home."

Last Saturday another major event for me occurred... FEMA came and got their trailer... I was just as happy when it left as when I got it.... but without it I could have never rebuilt my home as fast as I did, and seeing it leave my front yard closed the final chapter of my recovery effort... I am as whole (materially) now as before Katrina, which took two long and hard years.... many people are not that lucky or blessed

I am very thankful for what the government did for me... and also all the faith based groups that continue to help the coast rebuild.... it will take many many more years to recover from Katrina.... some will never recover...
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