boring

[Tstormwatcher]

Frank, glad your life is returning to normal or as normal as life can be for you.

[gerrit]

We've had three Category 5's this year. That's not boring...

That' right.

So many here claim they like to track hurricanes but don't add that it's only fun for them if the 'cane could hit the USA.
(which makes me think that the sensation of possible destruction close to home is a huge part of the so called interest in tropical weather..)

[Frank P]

We've had three Category 5's this year. That's not boring...

That' right.

So many here claim they like to track hurricanes but don't add that it's only fun for them if the 'cane could hit the USA.
(which makes me think that the sensation of possible destruction close to home is a huge part of the so called interest in tropical weather..)

thanks tstorm...

I also agree that a big interest for some is seeing hurricane impact the US, the hype it creates, the media frenzy, the devastation... sorta like watching NASCAR or Indy cars...some just love to see the danger and wrecks... hurricane watching is a similar analogy .. you could see a lot of disinterest from some on this board once it was evident that Dean was not going to impact the US... but I think that's a natural reaction... some die hards still held out hope that Dean would defy the models and that ULL would pull it up north, almost to the point of disapointment... I will never again be disappointed if a hurricane does not hit my area, NEVER...... on the other hand, the true die hard trackers really were in amazement of Dean, its power and beauty, and have a true respect for nature... and are not all that concerned where they go... you can see the board jump to life from all the Florida posters when storms threathen, same for the GOMers and east coasters... its just natural... but if you want to really see who has true passion for these monsters of the tropics, and that's how I feel about them, check out the storm2kers who are staying up all night tracking storms that might have little or no chance of impacting their cities, and the ones who post some really great information about these storms throughout the day... these are the quientessenial storm trackers...

and to those passionate ones, and you know who you are, I salute you... keep up the great work.... you provide a great service for many of the members of storm2k

[caribepr]

Excellent post, I couldn't have said it better myself (and I tried! )

[gerrit]

and to those passionate ones, and you know who you are, I salute you... keep up the great work.... you provide a great service for many of the members of storm2k

Absolutely! They - and the pro-mets of course, are the reason I still am a member.

[Frank P]

and to those passionate ones, and you know who you are, I salute you... keep up the great work.... you provide a great service for many of the members of storm2k

Absolutely! They - and the pro-mets of course, are the reason I still am a member.

You bet gerrit... I always make a point to read our pro mets posts... we do have some pretty dang good ones as members of storm2k... their passion is unquestionable... their contributions and participation is one of the added value features that makes storm2k the best weather forum on the web, the mods do a great job too..

[Steve]

Yeah you rite Frank. The way some of these people post, you'd think that Storm2k people are all on the dole and expected to be coddled in the aftermath. It's unreal. The biggest complaint many of us had was that we played by the rules. We paid hazard insurance. We paid flood insurance. Hell, we've been paying taxes for decades (you and me that is). I was very thankful for whatever they could do for me. It's not going to much matter in the end, because my ex gets the house, but there was a place on our front lawn where we could take care of business from at least for a little while. I lived in my trailer from December 2005 to May 2006. She and my daughter have been there ever since.

We weren't there for the handouts, but Gawdamn, we did pay our taxes. If for once the good guys get a helping hand, why bag on us for it? We were the ones who played by the rules - paid our inflated insurance premiums on time, kept that flood coverage, paid those taxes...

Steve

[Steve]

Btw, this is a step in the right direction for New Orleans and Southeast Louisiana. It doesn't help us in South Central (Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary Parishes) because that will hopefully be funded by other projects and sources. I think America owes Cat 5 protection to its citizens. We are Americans too, and they know what they need to do to help us so that we can keep the country strong and secure.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/932591 ... wAll=y&c=y

Not that big a price to pay for 100 year protection. We're going to have to work on something more long-term after 2011 and hopefully at least on the order of 300 year protection at that point with an ultimate goal to one day provide Cat 5 - which can and should be done.

Steve

[Chacor]

I'm never hit by typhoons. I'd like to experience at least a tropical storm (I don't remember Vamei). And yet it's never boring to me. I'm not sure exactly what the relation is between wanting to experience one v.s. declaring the season "boring". No matter when in the year, there is always something. If you're a real nut, as has been said, you'd track everything, and not just something that might affect you.

[mf_dolphin]

Btw, this is a step in the right direction for New Orleans and Southeast Louisiana. It doesn't help us in South Central (Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary Parishes) because that will hopefully be funded by other projects and sources. I think America owes Cat 5 protection to its citizens. We are Americans too, and they know what they need to do to help us so that we can keep the country strong and secure.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/932591 ... wAll=y&c=y

Not that big a price to pay for 100 year protection. We're going to have to work on something more long-term after 2011 and hopefully at least on the order of 300 year protection at that point with an ultimate goal to one day provide Cat 5 - which can and should be done.

Steve

Steve I have to disagree with this statement "I think America owes Cat 5 protection to its citizens." There is no way that Cat 5 protection could be provided for the entire Gulf coast and Atlantic seaboard. It's an impossibility both from a technical and financial standpoint.

[Bluefrog]

I'm leaving the board today for the rest of the season. I was sent a warning by MF_Dolphin last night for one of my comments that was in this thread or the "news" one for stating that I thought 3 members might be one in the same or insurance adjusters. I'm not going to be bashed and then sent a warning because I am defending myself or anyone else who went thru Katrina.

[weatherwoman]

hey this is so weird and it was not me this time someone on large wave rolling off africa said things are boring glad it was not me this time.

[Steve]

>>Steve I have to disagree with this statement "I think America owes Cat 5 protection to its citizens." There is no way that Cat 5 protection could be provided for the entire Gulf coast and Atlantic seaboard. It's an impossibility both from a technical and financial standpoint.

You can't do it for the entire coast, I understand that. But those of us who aren't just in it to look good deserve that protection, where possible. South Louisiana, Southern Mississippi, and Southern Alabama have too much to do with national security to ignore it. We build the ships and pump the oil and gas. People have to live nearby to get the work done. We are a working coast. Again, check out my reference for Port Fourchon and what it represents (realizing Fourchon cannot be adequately protected because it is right on the coast). If the Dutch and Chinese can orchestrate massive engineering projects, then so can America. We pay taxes. We fight and die in wars. We are Americans, not Iraqis. And we provide a lot toward making this country safe and strong.

Steve

[mf_dolphin]

>>Steve I have to disagree with this statement "I think America owes Cat 5 protection to its citizens." There is no way that Cat 5 protection could be provided for the entire Gulf coast and Atlantic seaboard. It's an impossibility both from a technical and financial standpoint.

You can't do it for the entire coast, I understand that. But those of us who aren't just in it to look good deserve that protection, where possible. South Louisiana, Southern Mississippi, and Southern Alabama have too much to do with national security to ignore it. We build the ships and pump the oil and gas. People have to live nearby to get the work done. We are a working coast. Again, check out my reference for Port Fourchon and what it represents (realizing Fourchon cannot be adequately protected because it is right on the coast). If the Dutch and Chinese can orchestrate massive engineering projects, then so can America. We pay taxes. We fight and die in wars. We are Americans, not Iraqis. And we provide a lot toward making this country safe and strong.

Steve

Where do you draw the line would be my next question? You seem to think we should protect most of the Gulf Coast and yet not Florida or even the Eastern seaboard. While it sounds good again I challenge you that it's an impossible task. Another point is how do you build a 35 ft seawall along the coast without destroying the very essence of the coast itself?

[Steve]

>>Where do you draw the line would be my next question? You seem to think we should protect most of the Gulf Coast and yet not Florida or even the Eastern seaboard. While it sounds good again I challenge you that it's an impossible task. Another point is how do you build a 35 ft seawall along the coast without destroying the very essence of the coast itself?

You don't build a seawall to protect the entire coast, you can't do that. But outside of the immediate coasts, you can shure up vulnerabilities in our rivers, smaller bays, outflow canals and such by the use of lock systems and floodgates. For instanc, you're not going to be able to protect Gulf Shores or Dauphin Island Alabama* because they sit right on the Gulf. (*Dauphin Island's east end is actually somewhat protected by the ever-evolving Sand Island a few miles offshore). But you can protect the City of Mobile by ensuring that surges do not go up the Dog or Mobile Rivers and certainly build floodwalls along the bay near where it meets downtown. There will always be flooding, but we can prevent massive flooding.

I'm also not saying not to protect Florida or the Seaboard. There are different things at play. But again, you can protect some of the cities that are vulnerable to surges due to Rivers or the Chesapeake (sp?) Bay for instance - some of them.

It really depends on the locale. In some cases, you can put in jetties to prevent beach erosion (like they used to have off of parts of Clearwater for instance). In some cases, Coastal South Louisiana for instance, programs to reintroduce silt from the Mississippi and beef up our marshlands and hopefully bringing some of the barrier islands back which are our first defense will make up some of the difference. So we'll have to take a hard look at the vulnerabilities of our Gulf and Atlantic Coastlines and come up with comprehensive strategies to protect the areas that we feel need to be protected. And unfortunately, this isn't going to be places like Pensacola Beach, but maybe Pensacola itself. The immediate coasts are only going to be protected when we can put up some kind of mobile flood protection system - some kind of inflatable wavebreak or something to knock some of the potency of the surges back. Anything can be done. We've been to the moon. We're going to Mars. We can protect our citizens.

Steve