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#101 Postby Frank P » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:25 pm

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Steve wrote:>>My city inspector just completed his final inspections on my house... he told me it that he will be really interested in how the house performs in the next big storm... one of few that is on his radar to monitor because of the way it was built...

I'm surprised with your contacts, you didn't work on an RFP or some type of government grant to study the issue. You are the only house there. Your inspector isn'tthe only one would would like to see how the house performs. :)

Steve


boy only I wish Steve... I am still hoping to get some grant money to help pay for the costs of going up... it cost me about 35K extra to get that 10 above the ground... I was NOT in a flood zone so I don't qualify per the NFIP... If I were to lose my house from a Cat 1 storm you guys would never hear from me again either... :oops:


Well that happen to me. Good old Floyd Boy was I think a cat 1 when he came ashore. Lost everything. But it was dew to water. Left home in a boat. But We have raised the house up to 4 feet. that should help. I hope.


You must be pretty low to lose your house to water from a Cat1... heck a Cat 1 wouldnt put water anywhere near my house... thats pretty tough
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#102 Postby Beam » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:46 pm

For what it's worth, I agree with tolkaram's points. Certainly, anyone has the right to live wherever they want, but it's something that you are responsible for, and you have to imagine and be ready for the worst. I live in the St. Louis metro area, and if an EF4-5 tornado strikes, the place is going to look like a hydrogen bomb went off. I can imagine it, and I'm prepared for it; and if-- nay, when the New Madrid seismic zone produces a major earthquake, I expect extensive damage in my area. So much so, that I have a good chunk of money saved up for the sole purpose of recovering from that particular event. See where I'm going with this?

I don't think tolkaram is telling anyone that they're asking for disaster, or that they're somehow to blame for what happened in Katrina, but the simple, sad fact is that much of the US coastline has been altered for human living in a way that's very dangerous, whether it be a hurricane on the Gulf or Atlantic coasts, or a tsunami on the Pacific coast. These are disasters that, unfortunately, will happen one day, and the fact that Katrina was such a colossal shock to so many people is a big problem.

Every location has it's vulnerabilities, but the Atlantic and Gulf coasts are a special case because of the development boom that's occured there in the past forty or so years, with blatant disregard to what may happen when a hurricane strikes. These areas are, in fact, a disaster waiting to happen. If you want to live there, by all means do so -- but be reponsible enough to know what might happen and prepare for the worst case scenario (which Katrina wasn't, by the way). As tolkaram said, every time someone describes the devastation down there as 'shocking" or "unprecedented", it highlights a major problem with coastal preparedness and, indeed, the mindset of the average American citizen.

Be ready to see a major American city get mostly or completely destroyed. Be ready to see your home inundated or even leveled. Be ready to lose power for weeks. Be ready to use a litter box. Be ready to watch an otherwise civilized society break down and turn to crime. Be ready to see cars on top of homes. Be ready to face all manner of creatures in your home and yard. Be ready for a lot more than some wind and rain.

I'm not saying to expect these things, mind you, but prepare for them as though they were a very real possibility, because sadly, when you live in a hurricane zone, they are. In a fair and just world, the government and your insurance company would be right there for you as soon as possible to give you the help you so desperately need. Unfortunately, the world isn't fair and just and it's on the shoulders of every mature individual living in a hurricane-prone area to be prepared for hell on earth and then some, and get involved. I'm not trying to be Mr. Doom and Gloom here, but if you can't accept what could very possibly happen to you one day, you should probably find a less dangerous place to live. Self-education and preparation for the risks of living in any given area is crucial for that area's residents.
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#103 Postby sarah bellum » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:48 am

Given the tenor of some responses here, does anyone else here find it ironic that the heartland of America was flooded by the remnants of a tropical system? I guess it's not just a "coastal" problem after all.

Seriously, so much of the population resides in disaster prone areas-some probable (like an earthquake, hurricane or fire in Cal.) some possible (tornado, flood). We even populate areas that have to get their water (most basic nescessity) from somewhere else(desert-like Las Vegas). I left my flooded 8 miles inland north of I-10 home and moved to an area safe from the threat of hurricanes-a different state...two weeks being here I was awakened by tornado sirens. 3 months later smoke filled my neighborhood due to a fire in a nearby wooded area-BIG fire. Now I'm in the middle of the worst drought the area has ever seen. One county in the state has run out of water...I'm serious...and it is getting water from another county. You simply cannot run from Mother Nature. As Roseanne Rosanna Danna said"it's always something".

To Steve-Hooray! The very oil that the entire county uses is part of why La. is so much more vulnerable today-wetland destruction and salt water intrusion caused by oil exploration. Does anyone remember gas prices right after Katrina when the refineries were shut down?
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#104 Postby NetZeroZeus » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:49 am

Frank P wrote:
storms in NC wrote:
Frank P wrote:>>My city inspector just completed his final inspections on my house... he told me it that he will be really interested in how the house performs in the next big storm... one of few that is on his radar to monitor because of the way it was built...

I'm surprised with your contacts, you didn't work on an RFP or some type of government grant to study the issue. You are the only house there. Your inspector isn'tthe only one would would like to see how the house performs. :)

Steve

boy only I wish Steve... I am still hoping to get some grant money to help pay for the costs of going up... it cost me about 35K extra to get that 10 above the ground... I was NOT in a flood zone so I don't qualify per the NFIP... If I were to lose my house from a Cat 1 storm you guys would never hear from me again either... :oops:


Well that happen to me. Good old Floyd Boy was I think a cat 1 when he came ashore. Lost everything. But it was dew to water. Left home in a boat. But We have raised the house up to 4 feet. that should help. I hope.


You must be pretty low to lose your house to water from a Cat1... heck a Cat 1 wouldnt put water anywhere near my house... thats pretty tough


I would think his house flooding was due to rainfall from Floyd, not the storm surge.
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#105 Postby StormWx » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:00 am

This is an unreal thread.
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#106 Postby Ixolib » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:13 am

StormWx wrote:This is an unreal thread.

As are so many others of this very nature.......
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#107 Postby StormWx » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:42 am

I would have to say being on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and going through several Hurricanes including Hurricane Katrina that unless you went through and lived through Katrina you really have no idea of what we have been through. Yes, most of us have survived some type of disaster particular to our respective areas but when you combine the personal loss and tragedy to every part of your life (and 2 years later not much has changed), every person you know, your whole town, your neighboring towns, your whole state and neighboring states .. you just can't imagine and we almost can't explain it. Even today we live in it. Katrina is talked about every day. The emotional toll is unimaginable not even considering the financial one. Homes, businesses, friends, marriages, relationships have been tested .. lost...destroyed. There are basically no words to even begin to express what we went and continue to go through. Yes, I would say we all prepared. Yes, we know we live in a hurricane zone. Yes, you can anticipate losing everything but NO when it really happens you can't comprehend it. I still can't. I'm still having problems accepting it happened. The shear magnitude of the total destruction for hundreds of miles is really incomprehensible. So, for those people that have helped us .. thanks. For those who critisize where we live and say we should have been more prepared and we should have understood what was about to happen and anticipated the destruction ... you really haven't walked in our shoes.
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