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#421 Postby PhillyWX » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:36 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:if Felix has to hit anywhere, best place is the south Yucatan. nothing to damage there and few, if any will be killed

Unfortunately, this one is likely going to Honduras


Yep -- and they haven't even gotten back to where they were in 1998 before Mitch hit them.
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#422 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:38 pm

Gained 0.6º in 21 hours, may never get far enough North to feel any troughs over Texas, not before plowing through Central America.


If the remnants weren't so weak, they might come North into the BOC eventually in response to the trough, but in my unofficial and untrained opinion, this probably never even gets as far North as Belize.
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 5 PM, page 19

#423 Postby MGC » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:39 pm

77KTS flight level....has become a hurricane much quicker than earlier forecast....MGC
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#424 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:40 pm

and the eye is located .2 south of the NHC 5 p.m. position
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#425 Postby RL3AO » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:42 pm

1st advisory: OUTLOOK VALID 04/1800Z MAX WIND 65 KT
2nd advisory:OUTLOOK VALID 05/0000Z MAX WIND 70 KT
3rd advisory: FORECAST VALID 03/0600Z MAX WIND 70 KT
4th advisory: FORECAST VALID 02/1200Z MAX WIND 65 KT
5th advisory: FORECAST VALID 02/0600Z MAX WIND 70 KT
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#426 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:43 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:and the eye is located .2 south of the NHC 5 p.m. position


Not in any hurry to reach 13ºN, is it?
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 5 PM, page 19

#427 Postby Thunder44 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:43 pm

Brent wrote:Looks like it's Hurricane Felix.

223800 1238N 06533W 7546 02443 9971 +162 +126 127064 075 066 007 00

75 kt at FL, 66 kt at the surface.


I guess since they have been using SFMR for surface winds. The reduction for this storm will from FL will be about 90%.
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#428 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:44 pm

they are flying at about 750mb, so of course we use a higher reduction that we did from the eariler flight. It is closer to 85-90 at this level
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#429 Postby RL3AO » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:44 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:and the eye is located .2 south of the NHC 5 p.m. position


Not good for Nicaragua and Honduras.
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#430 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:46 pm

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WTNT31 KNHC 012344
TCPAT1
BULLETIN
HURRICANE FELIX INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 5A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062007
800 PM AST SAT SEP 01 2007

...FELIX BECOMES A HURRICANE...NEW WATCH FOR JAMAICA...

FORECASTER BEVEN
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 5 PM, page 19

#431 Postby PhillyWX » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:46 pm

Ed Mahmoud wrote:Gained 0.6º in 21 hours, may never get far enough North to feel any troughs over Texas, not before plowing through Central America.


If the remnants weren't so weak, they might come North into the BOC eventually in response to the trough, but in my unofficial and untrained opinion, this probably never even gets as far North as Belize.


It has to clear 15 N by 80 W or else Honduras will impact the storm.

It has gone north 0.9 degrees while going west 6.7 degrees over the last day, now 12.7/65.3
From the 5 PM, if we continue that track per 24 hours increments.

13.6, 72.0
14.5, 78.7
15.4, 85.4

That would bring the center right over NE Honduras.
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#432 Postby jhamps10 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:47 pm

offically hurricane felix now.
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Re: Hurricane FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 5 PM, p. 19

#433 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:48 pm

Yep! I'm not surprised. Two hurricanes in 2 weeks in the same general location.
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#434 Postby jhamps10 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:48 pm

PhillyWX wrote:
Ed Mahmoud wrote:Gained 0.6º in 21 hours, may never get far enough North to feel any troughs over Texas, not before plowing through Central America.


If the remnants weren't so weak, they might come North into the BOC eventually in response to the trough, but in my unofficial and untrained opinion, this probably never even gets as far North as Belize.


It has to clear 15 N by 80 W or else Honduras will impact the storm.

It has gone north 0.9 degrees while going west 6.7 degrees over the last day, now 12.7/65.3
From the 5 PM, if we continue that track per 24 hours increments.

13.6, 72.0
14.5, 78.7
15.4, 85.4

That would bring the center right over NE Honduras.


NHC moved position SOuth some, 12.6/66.0
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#435 Postby El Nino » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:49 pm

Holy crap ! :roll:
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 5 PM, page 19

#436 Postby PhillyWX » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:50 pm

jhamps10 wrote:
NHC moved position SOuth some, 12.6/66.0


I was basing off of their 5 PM advisory but the more it stays to the south, the more this goes headstrong into Central America and not towards the Yucatan/Belize.
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Re: Hurricane FELIX:Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 8 PM page 22

#437 Postby RattleMan » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:51 pm

HURRICANE FELIX INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 5A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062007
800 PM AST SAT SEP 01 2007

...FELIX BECOMES A HURRICANE...NEW WATCH FOR JAMAICA...

REPORTS FROM A NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT MAXIMUM
SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 75 MPH...120 KM/HR...WITH
HIGHER GUSTS. THIS MAKES FELIX A CATEGORY ONE HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS
EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

REPEATING THE 800 PM AST POSITION...12.6 N...66.0 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 18 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...999 MB.

Expect a correction :P
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Re: Hurricane FELIX:Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 8 PM page 22

#438 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:52 pm

RattleMan wrote:HURRICANE FELIX INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 5A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062007
800 PM AST SAT SEP 01 2007

...FELIX BECOMES A HURRICANE...NEW WATCH FOR JAMAICA...

REPORTS FROM A NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT MAXIMUM
SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 75 MPH...120 KM/HR...WITH
HIGHER GUSTS. THIS MAKES FELIX A CATEGORY ONE HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS
EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

REPEATING THE 800 PM AST POSITION...12.6 N...66.0 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 18 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...999 MB.

Expect a correction :P


and the pressure is 993, not 999. Looks like they were in a rush when they issued it.
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Re: Hurricane FELIX:Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 8 PM page 22

#439 Postby Nimbus » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:10 pm

Should pass north of Aruba by 50 or 60 miles. Even if Hurricane force winds extend out double the current radius of 15 miles it should not be too bad on the weak side of the storm.

Honduras is issuing warnings obviously, a cat 2 or 3 has no really weak side of the storm. If Felix pulls just 50 miles north of the forecast track it could make a real life saving difference.
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Re: Hurricane FELIX:Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 8 PM page 22

#440 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:18 pm

This is not an official forecast and should not be used as such. Just my opinion.

There was just something about this storm...just a gut feeling...even before it became a TD...that if it went south at the beginning, it make a sharper turn to the north. Just a feeling, but Ivan became the most recent example of my thinking...its still a 50%chance of whether it goes south or north...but the models have slowly been shifting north. This is more extreme than with Dean, since it only had the GFDL and maybe one or two other models. Felix, however has all models bending to north to some degree, except only a couple of them. There must be some reason for this.
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