Homosexuals will be dancing in the streets in Texas

[Rainband]

Goodness, what a topic for a weather forum. I have a story that may change all you homophobics attitude. I had a great friend, his name was Darren and he was in the US ARMY, he lived 2 lifestyles, he was married with 3 great kids, but he was gay...but had to hide it because he was ashamed, plus it would have created problems with his military career, to make a long story short..he has sinces perished in the war and guess what, he bled red blood just like you and me......he was an awesome guy, Im not sure if anyone knew he was gay but me, with this said...He knew where I stood and he knew that I'm straight, but yet we were able to become awesome friends because I didnt judge him for what he was, because what he was to me ....was an excellent friend who would give his life for anyone, and thats what he did in operation Iraq.....so see, the very ones that are getting bashed are the ones that are out there just as anyone giving there life for you and me. Appreciate what you have, if you think your living life the way your suppose to be, check again, I bet you all have done things that are wrong!!!! So see My buddy was gay, and he is dead...just like hundreds of straight soldiers..and to re-inerate what my mom said, why does it matter to anyone who or what anyone does, mind ones own business and leave everyone else alone

I am so sorry to hear about your friend..but your post was excellent.. BRAVO!!!! 10 more days and DUDE IS BACK!!!!!!!

[JetMaxx]

Look, I just edited the posts I made earlier this afternoon.....it's not worth risking a friendship I've had for over three years.

Perry

[mamadude]

Perry, Im assuming he was referring to people in general

[Stephanie]

WOW! This topic really grew since this morning - and I wasn't even in the middle of it this time!

Mamadude - Your posts were wonderful. Jet, Mike (I'm sorry abut your friend, our HERO), and everyone else that had a story to tell about someone you know of that is gay - thanks for sharing. Not to get into the religious thing again but I believe it is the 2nd Commandment that says to "Love Thy Neighbor". As Mamadude had stated, I'm not the ultimate judge either. I don't anyone judging me because I smoke, I'm 40, have brown hair, brown eyes, etc., without knowing ME. If I had children, that's what I would want to teach them.

All of the subjects are interesting to debate - they can get hairy sometimes because their are alot of people that are very passionate about what they believe AND sometimes certain topics can be downright hurtful.

[j]

Right Widremann..the human race is not in dire straights in regards to procreation. However, and try to argue your way out of this one.....there are more gays today than yesterday, and there will be more tomorrow than today. Are you going to tell me they have all been in the closet for the last 2000 years? The lifestyle is being openly accepted and those who might have never considered it, now are led to believe that its cool, its what everybody is doing...and hey...you can ease into it with a little bi-sexualitly...that way you have nothing to lose.

It's just my lonely opinion, but I fear for the "fringe" child, that is bombarded dailey with images and ideas that are contrary to what their parents have tried to teach them. Experimentation with same sex is promoted, and they are vulnerable. You don't have kids (I am assuming) so you are at a disadvantage to argue this point. But go ahead..as I'm sure you will.

Do you read what you type..You make it sound like who these people are is a trend or a fad!!!!! You obviously have alot to learn..It's easier to hate someone for you I guess..and thank god..everyone isn't so blinded by hate!! I feel sorry for you. If everyone felt that way Slavery would still be around and the KKK would be like the F.O.E. on the every corner.

Listen Jonathan...Don't assume I hate anybody. You are off base. If I teach my child to be cautious when approaching a large gathering of blacks, then it is because I have lived through a mugging by a group of near 50 blacks where I was victimized because I was white. Do I hate all blacks? NO...But I do proceed with caution and because of what I see and hear every day of my life, together with my life experiances, I choose to NOT give them the benefit of the doubt. If that makes me wrong, then so be it.

As far as whether I hate gays? You are wrong again. I will not go out of my way to befriend one and that is my right as an American, but if they show the first sign of outrageous in your face social behavior, you can bet your last dollar I will again exercise my rights as an American to avoid them like the plague. Let me go way back to the beginning of these posts where I clearly said I don't care what 2 people gay or otherwise do in the privacy of their own home ( unless of course there are influential children that may be affected). What I object to, is PUBLIC in your face activists. FYI that includes groups such as the KKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jonathan....please...don't feel sorry for me. geeeeeeezzz

[j]

You think people would choose to live a life..where everyone persecutes them for who they are.... :o I guess your thought process differs from mine a tad! :o Ignorance is bliss and it it easier to persecute something we don't understand than it is to except it.... Ok.."j" what if you found out one of your kids was gay??? Believe me I know enough people to know this isn't a choice Think about it??

I was waiting for this one….got in this morning and decided to scan this starting at the bottom and working my way up. Didn’t get past the post where you accused me of being hateful. But…now that I have found this:

If one of my children was “born” Gay, or chose to be Gay, I would love them no less than their heterosexual sibling. However, I would do my best to teach them to keep their lifestyle private, and to respect others in my family and extended family. What I mean by private is, no public displays of affection with their mate. I would ask that they don’t come to dinner at my house dressed like a woman (or a man). I would ask him or her to do their best to not influence any of their younger siblings or relatives. I would urge them to live a good wholesome life, but not to make their homosexuality a soapbox for them to climb upon. Basically….keep it where it belongs….in the bedroom!

I don’t know what the hell it is you expected I would say Jonathan?

[Rainband]

You think people would choose to live a life..where everyone persecutes them for who they are.... :o I guess your thought process differs from mine a tad! :o Ignorance is bliss and it it easier to persecute something we don't understand than it is to except it.... Ok.."j" what if you found out one of your kids was gay??? Believe me I know enough people to know this isn't a choice Think about it??

I was waiting for this one….got in this morning and decided to scan this starting at the bottom and working my way up. Didn’t get past the post where you accused me of being hateful. But…now that I have found this:

If one of my children was “born” Gay, or chose to be Gay, I would love them no less than their heterosexual sibling. However, I would do my best to teach them to keep their lifestyle private, and to respect others in my family and extended family. What I mean by private is, no public displays of affection with their mate. I would ask that they don’t come to dinner at my house dressed like a woman (or a man). I would ask him or her to do their best to not influence any of their younger siblings or relatives. I would urge them to live a good wholesome life, but not to make their homosexuality a soapbox for them to climb upon. Basically….keep it where it belongs….in the bedroom!

I don’t know what the hell it is you expected I would say Jonathan?

You have alot to learn???.. keep it in the bedroom :o ..You obviously think Homosexuality is all about sex..as I said before two people living a good life..IN LOVE. Paying taxes..Just LIKE YOU....Like I said GAYS aren't in your face they just want to live without being beaten up or down in socitey..or by it....Many famous people in history were gay and many today still are..As Mike posted a Gay man gave his life for you and your family IN IRAQ..and for your right of freedom of speech..So before you continue to judge something you don't understand get to know someone before you judge them..I just think the actions of a few shouldn't condem the many..BTW women were on soapboxes too until they had the right to vote..GAY people just want to be treated like everyone else...nothing more nothing less..Have a good day!!!

[Rainband]

<<<Listen Jonathan...Don't assume I hate anybody. You are off base. If I teach my child to be cautious when approaching a large gathering of blacks, then it is because I have lived through a mugging by a group of near 50 blacks where I was victimized because I was white. Do I hate all blacks? NO...But I do proceed with caution and because of what I see and hear every day of my life, together with my life experiances, I choose to NOT give them the benefit of the doubt. If that makes me wrong, then so be it...>>>

Just because you were victimized by blacks doesn't mean it will happen to your kids..If we continue to teach our kids to live in fear and hate then the world..the United states will collapse..This is the land of the free and the home of the brave..Times have changed alot since you were a child and will have changed alot when we are no longer here.. One thing that is constant is change and improvement.... I give the benefit of the doubt until..I know otherwise.Try to find the good in a person. Judge them how they treat you and not by their color or sexuallity...Maybe if you cannot accept some things..start there it's a start..a small one allbeit..BUT it's a start Again Have a good DAY!!!

[j]

jfyi Jonathan.....my "mugging" didn't take place way back when..it happened just 3 years ago. Do I want my child to make the same mistake I did which was to assume I could walk through the middle of a gang of black people? (you see ...I was giving them the benefit of the doubt!) I will teach them to beware, and assume that harm could come to them.....even though they have not done anything to provoke it.

Let me ask you how would you advise your child to act in the same situation? If you tell him to be cautious and go around them, or... just leave and forget about the gallon of milk Mommy sent him to the store to get...THEN aren't you sending him the wrong message????

Maybe you would feel differently had an incident like this happened to you? Perhaps then you would want your child to learn from your mistakes, and not always give the benefit of the doubt to everybody. Same thing goes for the car that pulls up in front of your yard ...poor lost soul is looking for directions. Little Suzy has been taught by her Daddy tp trust people, always give them the benefit of the doubt...so...she walks up to the car. Next thing you know she is yanked in, sexually abused, and left in a dumpster somewhere because she had faith in people.

You can twist what I say all you want, but I live, by learning. I've made mistakes and I will never make the same mistake twice, and if I can keep my children from making those mistakes....I can feel good about myself.

[Guest]

Well here is my two cents on the last couple of statements.....................Thankfully i have lived in the areas that i have meaning i have lived in the City, The Burbs, The Beach and now the smaller town...................And to be honest i have to agree with both J and Johnathan................Yes its not good to teach our children to dislike anyone because of thier race however i will encourage my children or anyone elses for that matter not to go into a black neighborhood for the exact reason that j stated..................Im not sure if you have ever been to a Bigger city in the MA or NE for that matter even here in Ohio but i will tell you if you do the chances are about 95% or better that you will either be mugged, Robbed, have racial slurrs thrown at you are all of the above.................This is especially true if you are a white male and find yourself in one of these neighborhoods.............And if someone doesnt believe me then i invite them to go to either Philly, Baltimore, (SE,DC ESPECIALLY), Columbus, Oh and go hand out in a black neighborhood and i mean walk through one not just drive through it and if you need i will supply the directions to the neighborhoods i am talking about...............And this i do know from living in or near these kinds of places in bigger cities especially but this all may not be true in smaller towns because in such places as coastal Delaware they normally leave you alone however there is one area i wouldnt be caught in after dark that does happen to be black just on the westside of Rehoboth Beach, Delaware right before you get to the beach town itself.....................But then again you do have other blacks that dont live or act like that in other areas especially outside of primary black neighborhoods like here for instance where they dont bother with you at all or any place that i have been to that the number of whites out number Blacks........................So just remember this if you live in a town with more whites per say then blacks..................Like i said i wont teach my children to hate them but i will strongly advise them against going into a primarly black neighborhood especially in the cities i named above......................

[streetsoldier]

OK, this one may surprise the hell out of you...

I've been mugged by whites and blacks; and I have had friends of every color. I have also had friends who were gay or "bi"; and been subjected to assault by a few gay "predators"...and have a lovely niece who is lesbian, and God save anyone who dare attack her!

I also have a black son-in-law and three grandchildren who are bright, adorable...and also under my watchful eye, as these kids have felt the wrath of their peers, not being acepted as either "white" OR "black"...

And I'm partly of Sephardic Jewish descent...which makes me "top on the list" if the so-called neo-Nazis ever see their "Day of the Rope". Not to mention my concern for caring, gracious people from Islamic countries who have my friendship, especially just after 9-11.

Conclusion? There is none...hate knows no holiday.

[GalvestonDuck]

Well, I'm here in Texas, but I don't see anybody dancing outside yet. And I sure as heck am not one to follow the crowd, so even if they were, I wouldn't join 'em. It would be unnatural for me. And I don't do anything that doesn't feel natural...for me.

I'm gay, Republican, armed, Texan, American, four-eyed, and hungry. With regards to the first - I was born that way. The next three were choices. The fourth was by the grace of God. The fifth is probably hereditary. And the last one is due to the fact that I just got home a little while ago and haven't had supper (neither by choice, nor by birth). J - did you choose to be straight or weren't you just born that way. Doesn't it all feel natural to you?

I don't like the term Lesbian because it originally meant "an inhabitant of the island of Lesbos." I'm an American and proud of it. Don't care to claim any other nationality.

Honestly, I hope all this craziness (for and against) goes away soon. I mean, big deal. The Supreme Court overturned an almost unenforcible law regarding sodomy, which was defined as "deviant sex" - whether between two males, two females, or a male and a female. (I never understood if that included married couples or not.) If anyone wants to really start enforcing sex laws, they can start by going after kiddie stuff producers and child molestors. It doesn't matter which states had the sodomy laws and which ones didn't. Everyone was still in the bedroom, doing their thing, and no one was stopping them (except for Mr. Lawrence and his lover).

Gay rights agenda? Come on...that's a joke in my book. What can I not do that anyone else can do? I have a job. I get insurance. I drive. I can rent an apartment. I can be approved for a loan. Okay, so my partner can't be on my insurance policy. I agree with that...until marriage is allowed. If John and Mary live together, but John can't put Mary on his insurance policy until they are married, then the same should hold true for Ellen and Anne. Until there is a legal matrimonial bond between the two individuals, then they should NOT have the same rights as a married couple. Gay rights advocates try to say, "We want equal rights, not special rights." Well, I say that if they want it to apply to them, but not to a straight couple living under the same circumstances, then it's not equal, it's special. And I don't advocate that.

I don't get what's with rainbow flags either. Let's see here. Lavendar is considered a gay color. Pink triangles are gay. Red shirts are worn at Disney on "Gay Day." There's supposedly something about wearing green on Thursdays if you're gay (still haven't learned the origin of that). A "blue room" in an adult video store is where the gay flicks are kept. That leaves orange and yellow, which Homeland Security has made use of a lot lately.

As for children's safety, I don't know anyone who has a problem with me being around their munchkins. No one ever "recruited" or "taught" me squat about being gay when I was younger and I don't have any plans to do anything like that to anybody else. I simply remember thinking Kelly Garrett was the hottest Angel. And while my friends were going goo-goo over John Travolta in Grease, I was mesmerized by Olivia Newton-John. I was 9 at the time, in case you're gonna ask, "When did you know...?"

Wayne Williams, Jeffrey Dahmer, and that weird cannibal in Germany who serve penis flambe to his lover - three examples of gay killers/perverts. Yeah, they exist. People who protested "Silence Of The Lambs" and "Basic Instinct" because the killers were gay make me laugh. I can almost guarantee -- there's one in every group. There have been priests, cops, preachers, teachers, coaches, firefighters, moms, dads, carpenters, and even weather forecasters who turned out to be killers or child molestors -- regardless of their race, religion, or sexuality. Perversion, mental illness, and violence does not discriminate. Talk about equality.

J - I can guarantee there are people out there that you know and work with, but you don't know they're gay. We're not all out parading around with flags and banners trying to force our "agenda" on everyone else. Some of us actually despise the whole "out" there bit. We just go to work, go to the movies, go to the beach, get degrees, pay our bills, come home, and go to bed. All my friends are straight with the exception of a few. We don't all live in "communities" and hang out in gay bars and have "gay" meetings and do "gay" things. I just live my life and no one really cares about what I do in my bedroom, in the same way that I don't give a thought to what they do in theirs. For all I know, some of them are also gay. I just don't think about it. What I care about is if they have their seatbelt on when I'm driving or what my best friend gets for her 30th b-day this year or what's that blob doing in the Caribbean.

I've said my peace. Now I'm getting something to eat and hitting the sack.

~Duck

[Stephanie]

:bgbounce:

Great post Duck!

[rob22]

wow, very interesting topic here. ok...i know several gay people and have met gay parents. i havent seen anything wrong with them. they are just people who want to be treated as just that, people. a couple people on here think gays want to take over the world and are these evil people who want to take over the world. the only evil here is hatred from a certain few on here. i mean i thought the bible was made to tell people to live peacefully, not be full of hate. the only people on here full of hate though are those using the bible to hate others. stop using it to hate on other groups of people. i live under the phrase live and let live. if 2 men or women want to be gay, thats fine. folks... our population is fine so please dont say gays will cause the population to stop growing. another thing i noticed is that some people that are pro-life seem to hate homosexuals. who has less abortions than homosexuals?(props to whoever can say where that quote is from)

ok... back to being serious. i think this whole intolerance thing will continue to subside as it seems younger generations are more tolerant of other lifestyles. im not gay but through the evil people who preach tolerance, have the opinion that as long as homosexuals dont knock my door down and force me into their lifestyle, their way of living shouldnt be outlawed. btw, how could you enforce that tx law anyway?
i also notice that certain people think homosexuality is like a virus. folks, it isnt sars. it cant be spread. if a homosexual walks near me, i wont become 1 myself.

my conclusion is this. where is the true evil. is it the gay person walking with their partner on the st. or the couple of people who attack them(sometimes physically) and condemn them.

[GalvestonDuck]

"another thing i noticed is that some people that are pro-life seem to hate homosexuals. who has less abortions than homosexuals?(props to whoever can say where that quote is from)"

George Carlin.

And, yup, I'm a die-hard pro-lifer.

~Duck

[Rainband]

Awesome post DUCK!!!

[coriolis]

A belated welocme to the boards, Duck. You are an asset already.

[j]

[quote="GalvestonDuck"]
I'm gay, Republican, armed, Texan, American, four-eyed, and hungry.[quote="GalvestonDuck"]

Republican? Thank God for that j/k...read on..


[quote="GalvestonDuck"] J - did you choose to be straight or weren't you just born that way. Doesn't it all feel natural to you?[quote="GalvestonDuck"]

I have NO idea what way I was born. I was nothing but a fetus slightly more matured. As time went by, I matured, developed a personality, made freinds, and somewhere around puberty (ok a little before that), I couldn't wait to see my first naked woman. I credit my sexual orientation with my environment, my upbringing, my siblings, the whole package that from the time I knew the difference from a boy or girl, I saw that the girl was what all us boys wanted. I never got an erection looking at a male, but had me plenty when a bikini clad female walked by at the beach ( ...normal puberty thing). I suppose if a male had eroused feelings within me, I would have felt inclined to investigate those feelings. Never once in my life was I put in a situation where anything but a heterosexual model was put before me. I guess what I'm getting at is that (and its JMO) No...I do not think I was born a heterosexual. I feel I was born a helpless totally dependant BABY, that had my life molded by my parents number one, and my environment number 2.


[quote="GalvestonDuck"]Gay rights agenda? Come on...that's a joke in my book. What can I not do that anyone else can do? I have a job. I get insurance. I drive. I can rent an apartment. I can be approved for a loan. Okay, so my partner can't be on my insurance policy. I agree with that...until marriage is allowed. If John and Mary live together, but John can't put Mary on his insurance policy until they are married, then the same should hold true for Ellen and Anne. Until there is a legal matrimonial bond between the two individuals, then they should NOT have the same rights as a married couple. Gay rights advocates try to say, "We want equal rights, not special rights." Well, I say that if they want it to apply to them, but not to a straight couple living under the same circumstances, then it's not equal, it's special. And I don't advocate that.[quote="GalvestonDuck"]

I agree with all of this...I just wish the crowd (the "dancing in the streets crowd") could adopt this approach. What then would people like me have to complain about?


[quote="GalvestonDuck"]We're not all out parading around with flags and banners trying to force our "agenda" on everyone else. Some of us actually despise the whole "out" there bit.[quote="GalvestonDuck"]

Again...I commend you and the way you choose to live your lifestyle.

In closing....I just want to go back to this SC decision and the Post heading (Dancing in the streets). I knew this would incite strong reactions on both sides. The ruling however has already had troublesome ramifications as I learned over the weekend (On Fox News...I"m digging for the story today) that a Homosexual that was in prison has been released by a Court order due to this decision. What crime did he commit? ----> Sodomy. How old was the partner? ----> 14!!!!

If....this man was a heterosexual... he would still be in Prison, but because he is Gay, he was able to use this twisted ruling to have his sentence re-voked. There are plenty of the Gay activists that see this kind of release as a victory for their cause. This has pissed me off bad!

EDIT ---> I did some digging and I got this story wrong. But I was close. It is as folllows:

An 18-year-old Kansas man, Matthew Limon, was sentenced to 17 years in prison in 2000 after being convicted of sodomy for having consensual oral sex with a boy just shy of 15. If Limon or his partner had been female, Limon would have been charged under a different law for having sex with a minor and, if sentenced to the maximum penalty, he would have spent 15 months in jail. But because the two are both male, Limon was charged under the (much more severe) sodomy statute. He will be in prison until 2016, when he turns 36.

So...the point being....this man WOULD be out today had this law been in effect back then, (If I'm interpretating this correct) Fast forward to today, and this same man would feel free to pursue more under age homosexuals for endless acts of sodomy inside a dwelling, with minimal criminal risk. Not that it matters to a person like this. The partner was only 14.

[GalvestonDuck]

Actually, based on what I've read and heard about this case, Limon would not exactly have been charged with having sex with a minor if his partner had been female because this took place in Kansas. Kansas has one of those Romeo and Juliet laws on the books which covers anyone under 19 who has consensual sex with a teen between ages 14 and 16. He would have been penalized but not as harshly as an adult having sex with a minor.

Secondly, Limon was just a few weeks beyond his 18th birthday. However, he and his victim lived at a facility for developmentally delayed students. Matthew was mentally retarded and therefore, not the mental age of 18. Had his victim been a female and consensual, this probably would have been handled internally as some sort of mismanagement in the facility.

When the act started, both parties were consenting. When the younger boy asked Matthew to stop, he did.

Since he is underdeveloped mentally, I doubt he will go out and "pursue" more underage kids for endless acts of sodomy.

IMO, child exploitation and molestation penalties should apply no matter what sex the minor victim or if they consent. A child can NOT consent to sex, and an adult should know better -- gay or straight.

~Duck

[JetMaxx]

IMO, child exploitation and molestation penalties should apply no matter what sex the minor victim or if they consent. A child can NOT consent to sex, and an adult should know better -- gay or straight.

~Duck

Well said Galveston Duck!!
We all know right from wrong, and there are things that are unnacceptable behavior....regardless of what color we are, where we come from, our religion, political party, sexual orientation, or any other factor.

It's wrong to murder someone in cold blood....wrong to mug an old lady...wrong to steal a car...wrong to beat or sexually assault a woman...wrong to bully or molest a child...wrong to abuse a baby.

I worked at EDS with two gay men about my age that just as I....had a clean criminal record (EDS hires no one with a record). Just as me, they didn't do drugs..because we all three took the same hair analysis drug test. Just as I always am....they were both gentlemen at all times, courteous and polite; and very good at their careers (one of them is now an assistant EDS Account Manager...and he deserves the position...he earned it with his competency and innovative ideas).

I don't ever judge a man or woman except for one thing: their character....if they are good, honest law abiding citizens, they are my friend. If they aren't....I'll never call them friend, and won't have much to do with them.

Would I tolerate a gay man sexually harrassing me? Nope, but neither would I accept a straight woman doing the same to me. I recently lost a lifelong friend because his girlfriend answered their door nude when I went to visit, and he said I was wrong for being offended. LIKE I said, I always judge folks by their character...and neither his nor hers impressed me any.

Take care,
Perry