Which storm is the second biggest storm

[punkyg]

I always wanted to know which storm was almost as big to typhoon tip.
even though theres no storm as big as tip was, but if you could tell me i would be real happy.




Thankyou to who ever answers my question.

[Aslkahuna]

There are a number of storms that could fill the bill-chiefly typhoons like Kit in 1966, Carla in 1967, June in 1975, etc.

Steve

[weatherwindow]

steve....offhand, would any of the atlantic storms compare, somewhat favorably, with the second echelon of typhoons you mentioned?...perhaps the sept 1947, pompano to new orleans storm...rough dimensions: ts:flagler beach to matanzas, hurr:carysfort light to cape canaveral, >100mph:hallandale beach to stuart...havent computed the exact distances...these noted by prelims in the mwr and local sources.....rich

[Ptarmigan]

The previous largest storm before Tip was Super Typhoon Marge. Some Atlantic hurricanes I know are very large. The largest I think are Hurricane Gilbert, Carla, Hugo, Opal, Floyd, and Katrina.

[Stratosphere747]

The 1944 Great Atlantic Hurricane.

[BigA]

Is there any info on what sort of areas felt the Great Atlantic Hurricane's winds at the same time, or for how long?

[Stratosphere747]

Is there any info on what sort of areas felt the Great Atlantic Hurricane's winds at the same time, or for how long?

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/general/lib/li ... s/1944.pdf

[HurricaneBill]

I read somewhere that the 1938 hurricane was the biggest Atlantic hurricane.

[Ptarmigan]

The 1944 Great Atlantic Hurricane.

Wasn't it in an extratropical transition? I know when that happens, they get larger. Hurricane Cindy in 1999 was very large. It had TS wind extending up to 315 miles from the eye. However, hurricane force winds extended only 85 miles from the eye and it was not in an extratropical transition. Katrina by comparison had TS winds extending 230 miles, while hurricane force extended 125 miles from the eye.

ZCZC MIATCPAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE CINDY ADVISORY NUMBER 40
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
5 PM AST SAT AUG 28 1999

...CINDY MOVING OVER OPEN WATERS OF THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC...

AT 5 PM AST...2100Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE CINDY WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 31.3 NORTH...LONGITUDE 58.8 WEST OR ABOUT 355 MILES...570
KM...EAST-SOUTHEAST OF BERMUDA.

CINDY IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH NORTHWEST NEAR 9 MPH
...15 KM/HR...AND A TURN TO THE NORTH IS EXPECTED TONIGHT.

CINDY IS A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE
SCALE. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 140 MPH...220 KM/HR...WITH
HIGHER GUSTS. SOME WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 85 MILES...140 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 315 MILES...510 KM.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 944 MB...27.88 INCHES.

REPEATING THE 5 PM AST POSITION...31.3 N... 58.8 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTH NORTHWEST NEAR 9 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
WINDS...140 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 944 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT
11 PM AST.

FRANKLIN

STRIKE PROBABILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ADVISORY NUMBER CAN BE
FOUND UNDER AFOS HEADER MIASPFAT4 AND WMO HEADER WTNT74 KNHC.


NNNN

NHC-HURRICANE CINDY ADVISORY NUMBER 40

[Coredesat]

Well, there is Florence from last year:

FLORENCE IS AN UNUSUALLY LARGE TROPICAL CYCLONE WITH TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS EXTENDING OUTWARD UP TO 405 MILES...650 KM FROM THE
CENTER. A SHIP LOCATED ABOUT 360 MILES NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER
RECENTLY REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 38 MPH.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2006/al ... .017.shtml

FLORENCE REMAINS AN UNUSUALLY LARGE...NOW MORE THAN 900 NMI
DIAMETER... NON-CLASSICAL TROPICAL CYCLONE. THE WIND FIELD WAS
EXPANDED AGAIN...ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHEASTERN QUADRANT...BASED ON
SURROUNDING SHIP AND BUOY REPORTS.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2006/al ... .017.shtml

Florence's wind field remained very large throughout its existence, and is why it became a massive extratropical gale over the North Atlantic (it absorbed Gordon).

[Aslkahuna]

Military aricraft flew the Great Atlantic Hurricane long before it started ET transition and found the the hurricance force winds extended across 200 miles. Hurricane Carla in 1961 is considered the second largest Atlantic hurricane while in the GOM. Hurricane force winds extended across 175 miles. During June in 1975, Guam had gusts of 70 kt more than 230 miles from the center.

Steve

[Category 5]

I read somewhere that the 1938 hurricane was the biggest Atlantic hurricane.

There were extensive effects along the NJ shore so I'd imagine that it was huge.

[EDR1222]

Although I have no data to back it up, I seem to recall that during some point, Hurricane Luis in 1995 had hurricane force winds that extended out 120 to 140 miles from the center. Not sure if that is completely accurate or not and even if it is, it may not mean that it was one of the largest storms. But, as I mentioned in another topic, when Luis was threatening the Virgin Islands, the east central Florida coastline was receiving large southeast groundswells from the storm. That was very unusual for a storm to cause that in Florida while it is that far to the south, especially with the geographic location of the Bahamas. So it must have had a very large windfield. Maybe others will chime in with some data on Luis.

[MiamiensisWx]

Hurricanes Carla, Katrina, and Gilbert (Gulf) probably rank among the largest Atlantic tropical cyclones that have been recorded. The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane was an exact opposite - its RMW was a close match with Charley (2004). I think the most intense large hurricanes that hit land include Luis '95, Great Miami '26, Okeechobee (San Felipe II) '28, Carla '61, Hugo '89, and Katrina '05. Hurricane King ('50) was an average sized cyclone, but its inner core was quite small when it hit Miami-Fort Lauderdale (~115 mph and ~955 mbar). Don't forget Wilma; it was quite large when it crossed south FL. Its pressure filled from ~950 mbar (SW FL landfall near Everglades City) to ~955 mbar when it entered the Gulf Stream near Palm Beach, FL. Here's an excerpt from the 9:00 a.m. EDT advisory on October 24:

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 110 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. WILMA
IS A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. WIND
SPEEDS ABOUT ONE CATEGORY STRONGER COULD BE EXPERIENCED IN HIGH
RISE BUILDINGS. SOME CONTINUED WEAKENING IS LIKELY AS WILMA
CROSSES THE SOUTHERN FLORIDA PENINSULA TODAY.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 90 MILES FROM THE
CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 230
MILES. RECENTLY THE FOWEY ROCKS COASTAL-MARINE AUTOMATED NETWORK
STATION...AN ELEVATED PLATFORM JUST OFF THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA
FROM KEY BISCAYNE... REPORTED A PEAK WIND GUST OF 116 MPH. OPA
LOCKA AIRPORT REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 85 MPH WITH A GUST TO 105
MPH.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 952 MB...28.11 INCHES.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/pub/al242005.public_b.036.shtml?

I think everyone in southern FL can (unfortunately) attest to this storm's size. I experienced ~60 mph gusts well ahead of the eastern eyewall. Large windfields can bring widespread effects to coastal and inland locations - ask people in Hattiesburg, MS (well inland) after Katrina. Don't forget the coastal regions; the Chandeleur Islands were inundated in Katrina. EDR1222, I found an older advisory from Luis (when it was located NW of the Leeward Islands and E of the East Coast) - click on this link. Here's an excerpt:

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 130 MPH...215 KM/HR...AND
LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS LIKELY.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140 MILES...220 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 290 MILES...465 KM.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 945 MB...27.91 INCHES.

LARGE SWELLS ARE PROPAGATING WELL OUT IN ADVANCE OF THIS LARGE
HURRICANE...AND WILL BE AFFECTING PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHEAST U.S.
ATLANTIC COAST AS WELL AS BERMUDA AND THE BAHAMAS. HEAVY SURF
ADVISORIES AND A COASTAL FLOOD WATCH ARE IN EFFECT FROM FLORIDA
THROUGH NORTH CAROLINA. SEE ISSUANCES FROM LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER
SERVICE OFFICES FOR MORE INFORMATION.

You were correct on all accounts. I can vaguely remember Luis' effects along the SE Florida coast. I'm sure islanders will never forget its effects (i.e. Saint Maarten, Netherlands Antilles, and adjacent areas).

[EDR1222]

Thanks for posting that information MiamiensisWx. I was unable to find anything, guess I was looking in the wrong place.

Glad my memory is not fading completely, LOL.

It was nuts here.....big time swells from Luis along our coastline here in the Melbourne area.

That is definitely an impressive windfield.

[Ptarmigan]

Although I have no data to back it up, I seem to recall that during some point, Hurricane Luis in 1995 had hurricane force winds that extended out 120 to 140 miles from the center. Not sure if that is completely accurate or not and even if it is, it may not mean that it was one of the largest storms. But, as I mentioned in another topic, when Luis was threatening the Virgin Islands, the east central Florida coastline was receiving large southeast groundswells from the storm. That was very unusual for a storm to cause that in Florida while it is that far to the south, especially with the geographic location of the Bahamas. So it must have had a very large windfield. Maybe others will chime in with some data on Luis.

ZCZC MIATCPAT3 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE LUIS ADVISORY NUMBER 35
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
11 PM AST TUE SEP 05 1995

...DANGEROUS HURRICANE THRASHING NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS...

HURRICANE WARNINGS ARE IN EFFECT FOR THE ISLANDS OF THE NORTHEAST
CARIBBEAN FROM GUADELOUPE NORTHWARD TO PUERTO RICO. A TROPICAL
STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR DOMINICA.

AT 11 PM AST...0300Z...THE CENTER OF LUIS WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE
18.8 NORTH...LONGITUDE 63.2 WEST OR ABOUT 55 MILES ...90 KM...NORTH
OF ST MARTIN.

LUIS IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHWEST NEAR 8 MPH ...13 KM/HR...AND
THIS MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE ON WEDNESDAY.

THIS TRACK WILL BRING THE CENTER WITHIN ITS CLOSEST DISTANCE TO
PUERTO RICO AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS AND
WEATHER CONDITIONS WILL BE DETERIORATING OVERNIGHT IN PUERTO RICO
AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS. THE HURRICANE IS NOW BEGINNING TO MOVE AWAY
FROM THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS AND CONDITIONS SHOULD GRADUALLY
IMPROVE IN THESE ISLANDS EARLY WEDNESDAY.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 125 MPH...205 KM/HR...AND LITTLE
CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS LIKELY DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 155 MILES...250 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 230 MILES...370 KM.

LATEST AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 943
MB...27.85 INCHES.

STORM TIDES OF 6 TO 9 FEET...WITH LOCALLY HIGHER VALUES...CAN BE
EXPECTED ALONG THE PATH OF LUIS ALONG WITH BATTERING WAVE ACTION.

RAINFALL TOTALS OF TEN INCHES OR MORE CAN BE EXPECTED ALONG THE PATH
OF THE HURRICANE.

REPEATING THE 11 PM AST POSITION...18.8 N... 63.2 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTHWEST NEAR 8 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
WINDS...125 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 943 MB.

AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 2 AM AST FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT
COMPLETE ADVISORY ISSUANCE AT 5 AM AST...WEDNESDAY.

LAWRENCE

STRIKE PROBABILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ADVISORY NUMBER CAN BE
FOUND UNDER AFOS HEADER MIASPFAT3 AND WMO HEADER WTNT73 KNHC.


NNNN

Link

Look under pal1395.035.

[BigA]

This is something of an off topic plea, but how did you find the 1995 advisory? It would make me very happy to have access to pre 98 advisories.

[Ptarmigan]

This is something of an off topic plea, but how did you find the 1995 advisory? It would make me very happy to have access to pre 98 advisories.

Here it is. It does have advisories, but some years do not have them yet.

NHC Pre-1998 Archives