U.S. Sees War Protest

[Rob-TheStormChaser]

Its so much different, war to war....the interests, the feedback, the critics. Funny thing, when I came home in 1991 in June after the Gulf War was over...I was heralded as a hero. I'm a humble person in nature, but I received placques from local towns and dedications and also I was in a few parades. Its all how the people perceive it after its all over with. Look at how Daddy Bush's ratings dropped on the onset...we went in and cleaned house and got out...a faster than expected war, but we did what we had to. Bush also was heralded a hero and we did it for all the right reasons. I'm glad I came home and safely, the people showered us with everything under the sun since in more ways than one, we also saved them from future danger. Problem is, the people over there dont sit still for long and they are right back again. 1993, 1996, 1999 and now 2003...seems like there's always some kind of uprising every few years and if you looked into the past...we have been in a war EVERY decade for the last 100 years. Scary to think, but I'm happy to be an American, had a taste of combat and back here to live my life. I will support our troops and our coalition including Britain especially....they were right alongside us in 91...and they will be there again.

[southerngale]

Stephanie wrote:

or as Southerngale nicely put it in a post somewhere else "you're either with us or with the terrorists" That's really a wonderful, short-sighted, ignorant thought.

Not ignorant at all! However, I don't deserve credit for that excellent, bold statement. I was correcting Rainband's post of a GW quote. Bush said it after the horrific attacks on our country September 11th and I thought all Americans thought of it as a strong message to other countries funding or harboring terrorists...a powerful declaration that would be remembered by all. I am shocked to find someone who thinks it was a short-sighted, ignorant thought. That is quite disturbing.

I am PROUD of Bush for taking care of business and not sitting on his thumbs. (or playing with interns) He doesn't take crap and does what needs to be done. Don't be fooled into thinking that we are just lucky to have George W. Bush as president instead of the alternative. God knew what He was doing when He allowed Bush to be elected. He knew what was coming and He knew that Bush could handle it. Bush has had a whole lot on his plate since coming into office and God won't give you more than you can handle.

[Rob-TheStormChaser]

wonderful, short-sighted and ignorant seems all redundant to me...lol or am I wrong for thinking this all on my own? Ah well...I DO remember GWB saying this...and he means business by it.

[Stephanie]

I all depends on who it is being directed at. I believe that it was directed on these boards towards the people that didn't want war. I agree in the context and when it was stated by George Dubya, but there has been alot of cynicism and pock shots against those of us that dare to post an opposing opinion. That's how I perceived it.

[southerngale]

Stephanie,

It wasn't directed toward anyone on the boards. This is what Rainband said about nations "that don't like us"

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:36 pm
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They like us when there is something in it for them!! Plain and simple. I hope that they need us one day soon and then they will see what we will do for them, Notta!!! "Your either with us or against us" as George W would say

and 4 minutes later I just corrected his George W quote:

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:40 pm

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"You're either with us or you're with the terrorists"

I'm not sure how you perceived that to be directed towards you or anyone else but I'm glad to clear it up for you.

[coriolis]

We happened to have CNN on yesterday and it was like nonstop coverage of the protests. It would make one believe that the whole world is against the US. There was no coverage whatsoever about why the US is pursuing this.

I turned over to fox, and saw appropriate factual coverage of the protests but also was informed that over 70% of americans are behind Bush on this.

[southerngale]

That's CNN for you....Clinton News Network. You'd think they'd take a hint from Fox News "Fair and Balanced" who whizzed passed them in the ratings after just a few years on the air.

Oh well...whatever floats their boat. Everyone is pretty much figuring them out and switching over to unbiased news.

[Rainband]

LOL thanks for correcting me teach JK Seriously though, I was just trying to say we always support other nations in their time of need, now the three dimwhits, aren't supporting us to hide their dirty little secrets and for personal gain. I think they will regret this because they have always needed us and will again...

[petal*pusher]

I come from a large family that always has enjoyed being able to voice their opinions! Since we are now located all over this wonderful country, one brother started a "Family Web Page" that allows us daily communication. It has been a Godsend in many ways.

My two older brothers are both Vietnam veterans........the older one wrote this post yesterday. It is quite interesting............

"As I was watching the coverage of the anti-war demonstrations today, it occurred to me that the American public was once again being led down the liberal press's path to the belief that the majority of our citizenry objected to the brief upcoming war. The latest Fox news poll belies this, showing that 79% of the population supports military action. This means that there were tens of thousands of Americans who support the war for every one that we saw protesting on our TV screens. On a hunch, I went to the website of the co-ordinators of today's festivities, a group called "United for Peace & Justice", and found that they listed a hundred or so "endorsers". This list sheds a lot of light on the anti-war movement. A few of the names that caught my eye were the Black Radical Congress, Coalition for Social Justice, Cuba Solidarity, Freedom Socialist Party, Green Party of the U.S., Latino Gay men of N.Y., Mad Anarchist Bakers League, N.Y. Colition to free Mumia Abu-Jamal, Queer's for Peace and Justice, Radical Women, Refuse and Resist, Right is Wrong, Say no to Dubya's War, Sierra Club, Sista II Sista, Young Communist League, and the Young Peoples Socialist League. I will probably research these and some other groups on the list, but I doubt if I will be able to find much on the Elkhorn Area Book Club (Elkhorn, Wi.) or the Tree Farm School (Hoodsport, Wa.)"

[OtherHD]

Young Communist League

Now that is just disturbing...

[southerngale]

Thanks for the info petal*pusher. I bet they didn't plaster those names across the TV!

Yes, OtherHD, that is disturbing.

[streetsoldier]

Those names SHOULD be plastered across every TV in the country; "Mom and Pop America" should know who's footing the bills here.

I'm surprised that I didn't see "Camp Sister Spirit", Handgun Control, Inc." or "NOW" on the list...but it WAS a partial account, yes?

[wannabehippie]

snip <Did you do your job to the very best of your ability, only to be ostracised, shunned and forgotten? Did you EVER wear the uniform at all?
I call it "aid and comfort to the enemy" and I stick to it. Been there...have YOU?>

so in your opinion the only people that have a right to protest our government's foreign policy are former soliders? what a load of bull. I respect anyone who ever served in the armed forces of this country. but to say that a protest against a policy of the government is "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" smacks of McCarthyism to me. trying to make people fearful of peaceful protests.

no matter the subject, whether i agree with it or not, as long as the protest is peaceful, i support the right to protest.

and as for my comments about the right to carry. i was aware that you were talking about firearms streetsoldier. but i felt that we had hashed out completely our opposing viewpoints on that subject completely. i was trying to use a combination of sarcasm and a change of subject using the same theme metephorically. but i guess some things dont come across well when not in person but posting online


peace
david

[streetsoldier]

david,

You are one person I'd LOVE to meet in person...I like to look my "enemy" in the face, not hide behind the anonymity of the Internet.

And your consistent comments seem more appropriate to the Left Bank than the East River; have you thought about a change of habitat to Paris? If not, I'd urge you to seriously consider it.

[Rob-TheStormChaser]

lol Bill..I was waiting for a nice response from you on that...I actually KNEW what you'd write! Scary!

[wannabehippie]

snip <You are one person I'd LOVE to meet in person...I like to look my "enemy" in the face, not hide behind the anonymity of the Internet.
And your consistent comments seem more appropriate to the Left Bank than the East River; have you thought about a change of habitat to Paris? If not, I'd urge you to seriously consider it.>

well well street soldier. it seems like you support a libertarian government as long as it agrees with you. but when the government allows the right of citizens protest peacefully against a foreign policy you believe that protesters are anti american.

there is nothing more american that a peaceful protest, exercising the right to free speech. i would have thought someone that claims to be a libertarian would support the right to protest no matter how much they disagreed with it.

I am an american citizen much as you are. and although i dont agree with you on most issues I do not see you as an enemy. you are a fellow citizen allowed to his opinions on issues. I dont want to see you leave the country. i think having contrary opinions, like you and me, is what helps make this country great. not being lockstep on anything. you instead seem to think that if someone doesnt agree with you then they should get out? why? i love this country as much as you do. i just dont always agree with everything the government does, and if i dont agree i will protest. if there was a policy that you didnt agree with, but i did, i would still support your right to protest and not suggest you leave the country.

I love my country but that does not mean i have to support it on everything. when i see a something i dont agree with i am going to have my feeling be known.


peace
david

[streetsoldier]

Rob, the day has not arrived when I can't take on some effete, sine nobilitatis Long Islander in open debate on neutral ground, and leave him (or her) mumbling to him(her)self in utter stupefaction...and that goes for anyone from the "other" Left Coast as well.

Bring it, david...I haven't had my weekly laugh yet.

[Rob-TheStormChaser]

I hear ya Bill....trust me, I do! Looks like there's finally some good gossip/debate brewing here.....have at it!

[wannabehippie]

ah now you are resorting to calling me without nobility or as it is sometimes translated as a snob.

just because one is liberal or has contrary opinions to you does not make them without honor, nobility or a snob.

my opinions are well thought out, just because i do not agree with you does not make me with out honor.

I do not am not afraid of an open debate street soldier. Bring it on!


peace
david

[Guest]

First, why in GOD'S NAME (using that as a figure of speech) would you want to be a wanna be of anything? EVER!!! Second I have some things to say to you:

1) You talk too much. Look at my dad's posts. Short. Sweet. To the point.
2) If you don't like living here, then WHY ARE YOU HERE? And don't give me that,"But I do like living here," or, "I am a 'real' American" (pull-EEZE), because, by the way you talk, you don't and aren't. Get the ^*&* out of this country if you don't like it!
3)I just plain don't like your arrogant, condesending attitude, and your insistence that you alone hold the moral "high ground."

'Nuff said.