Iran Nuclear Standoff

[HURAKAN]

Chávez is just like Castro in the sense that he only talks, talks, and talks some more, but knows that taking actions against the US is not is his best interest. Therefore, that's not my fear.

[BUD]

IF WE DO NOTHING ISRAEL WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!They will NUKE them till they glow then shoot them!!!!

[cycloneye]

If they do that,then the arab world will turn against the zionists as they say to Israel,and nobody knows what will occur with the terrorists blowing up around the globe.But more bad things can occur if Russia joins forces with the arabs.I will stop here to not continue talking about the bad things that may occur if Israel goes ahead and strike the Iranian nuke plants.ran

[HURAKAN]

In these times we're living, with the technology we have, any war could turn out to be bad for everyone. That's one of the reasons I always try to turn away from the war option.

[cycloneye]

I agree.Wars are the very last option to do.In wars there are no winners.

[cycloneye]

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun ... _10_22.asp

Monday, October 22, 2007

Advanced missiles from Iran have already been fired at U.S. helicopters in Iraq

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military has reported that Iran has smuggled advanced surface-to-air missiles into Iraq for the purpose of downing U.S. combat aircraft.
Officials said Iran has transported man-portable SAM systems to Shi'ite allies in Iraq. They said some of the missiles have already been fired at U.S. Army helicopters.

"It's a real concern, and it's something that we're dealing with," U.S. Army Col. Daniel Shanahan said. "Right now we've got the best systems in the world, and we've got technology behind us."




Iran is smuggeling missiles to Iraq.

[Derek Ortt]

that means Iran is not exactly skilled in accuracy, since they have not hit anything yet

[Dionne]

that means Iran is not exactly skilled in accuracy, since they have not hit anything yet

It's like the law72.....has a huge range but only a maximum effective range to target. You've got to fire one a few times to begin trusting the flip up sight. Once you've got the weapon figured out....you could ruin someones day bigtime.

[cycloneye]

Iran wont negociate about nuclear plants



TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran will not negotiate with anyone about its right to nuclear technology, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday, hours before talks aimed at defusing an atomic row with the West were to start in Rome.

Western nations accuse Iran of seeking to build an atomic bomb, a charge Tehran denies, insisting it only wants to master atomic technology so it can make electricity and save its huge oil and gas reserves for export.

"We are in favor of talks but we will not negotiate with anyone about our right to nuclear technology," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by Iranian state television during his trip to Armenia, which ended on Tuesday.

"The party which should set conditions is Iran not the other party," he was quoted as saying.

In comments carried by the Fars News Agency, the president also repeated Iran's position that it would not suspend uranium enrichment, the key demand of the U.N. Security Council.




If they do that,then the tide will turn towards military action will increase.The question then if that occurs is who does the strike first,the .U.S. or Israel.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Wouldn't really surprise me if by this stage of the game Iran already has produced a few nukes. After all this has been dragging on literally for years, and just look how wrong the experts were on Iraq back in 2003. What a mess

[HURAKAN]

Ahmadinejad: "we will not negotiate with anyone about our right to nuclear technology"

And he is right, if the United States and other countries can use nuclear technology, then the rest of the world can also do it. That's democracy at its best. You can't just bully your way and arrange the world the way you want it to be. That's why the US has so many enemies in the world. The US is always saying, "you have to dance my way, if not, there is no dance," and that's wrong.

Now, that Iran may want to use it for the bad of humanity, that's another thing. Still, you can't deny them the use of nuclear technology when you are using it.

Moreover, if you are Iran, and you look around, immediately comes to mind the idea of arming yourself. 1) Unrest between Pakistan and Inda. 2) Taliban vs. US in Afganistan. 3) US vs. Muslim Extremists in Iraq. 4) Israel making friends in the Middle East.

A lot of armed problems around to be backward in technology.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

And he is right, if the United States and other countries can use nuclear technology, then the rest of the world can also do it. That's democracy at its best. You can't just bully your way and arrange the world the way you want it to be. That's why the US has so many enemies in the world. The US is always saying, "you have to dance my way, if not, there is no dance," and that's wrong.

There is an old saying in geopolitics:

"It is better to be feared, than to be loved."

For example do you think most of the emperors of Roman were nice guys, hell no. The only reason they held the empire together, and protected it from its enemies, was because everyone knew not to mess with them or they'd beat you down and seal your population into slavery. Once the Romans lost the fear card, they became just a joke. The air of invincibility vanished, and soon every two bit barbarian with an axe to grind was running rough shoot all over the Roman World.

[HURAKAN]

That was not Democracy.

The easiest way to govern is with an iron hand, but it's not the best for everyone.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

[quote="HURAKAN"]:uarrow:

That was not Democracy. [quote]

Never said it was, just that it worked. Though the Romans did have limited democracy even as an empire, after all that is where concepts such as governors and the senate originated.

Also Iran is by no means a Western style Democracy.

My primary point was that if the US, and the Western Powers in general, want to be taken seriously by these clowns than it is time to take off the silk glove and show them the iron fist, if it isn't too late as I already pointed out though.

[artist]

HURAKAN - would you trust Iran with nukes?

[cycloneye]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071023/ap_ ... _wh/bush_1

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday that plans for a U.S.-led missle defense system in Europe are urgently needed to counter an emerging threat of attack by Iran.

"If (Iran) chooses to do so, and the international community does not take steps to prevent it, it is possible Iran could have this capability," Bush said. "And we need to take it seriously — now."

He said intelligence estimates show that Iran could have the capability to strike the United States and many European allies by 2015.



If that is true,is a omminous thing to have a nuclear Iran and if diplomacy fails,then the stick has to be enforced to stop them.

[HURAKAN]

HURAKAN - would you trust Iran with nukes?

No, I just don't trust anyone that call themselves a "politician." Doesn't matter from what country they are.

I'm just trying to make a point of what "democracy" means and how you enforce it. I believe that if the countries in the Middle East get together with the Western World to discuss the problems between them, something good can get out of it.

We must understand each other if there's going to be a final compromise and/or resolution at the end.

Killing each other, and enforcing an iron fist is not going to solve nothing.

Now, we must give something for them to give something.

The way it's being handled right now is not going to solve anything. Is not democratic to enforce something because you want it and that's it.

I just don't see any way to end this but to get everyone together and resolve our differences. Killing each other will not solve anything. Hasn't anyone learned anything from two World Wars?

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

[quote="HURAKAN] I just don't see any way to end this but to get everyone together and resolve our differences. Killing each other will not solve anything. Hasn't anyone learned anything from two World Wars?[/quote]

Well I for one dare not even consider what might have happened if Nazism had been allowed to prosper and spread, via a negotiated mutually beneficial settlement to WW II. More often than not horrible problems require horrible solutions, a sad but true fact.

[HURAKAN]

I don't know how or why would you compare what is happening to Nazism. I really don't see the comparison. Of course something like Nazism wouldn't be allowed, especially when it starts to conquer other countries.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

I brought it up because you used the World Wars as an example of why people should try to negotiate. I think, at least in the case of WW II, a nonviolent solution was impossible, and it is foolish to assume otherwise.

Radical Islam is similar to Nazism, as in both movements are fueled by an uncompromising philosophy of conquest. One based upon Neo-Paganism, the other based upon radical Shite Islamic Fundamentalism. If we were dealing with a simple rational nation I would agree with you, but we are not. Iranian governmental organization is just as much a religious movement, as it is the political apparatus of a nation state. It aims to spread its movement beyond the borders of Iran, and eventually beyond the borders of the Middle East. The only too options open to people will be die, or convert.