Founder of TWC on GW: "It is the greatest scam in history."

[RL3AO]

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/

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By John Coleman

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
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[x-y-no]

Is this anything but a political rant?

[HURAKAN]

Where is the evidence of his statement? Without evidence his words are nothing.

[oyster_reef]

Is this anything but a political rant?

It's his prefessional opinion... valid.

"I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious."

[HURAKAN]

I don't want words, I want evidence. Words mean nothing if there is no evidence to back them up.

I can say anything I want, but for you to believe me, I have to present evidence.

Where are the books he read, who are the people he talked to, where are the scientific papers he read?

Like always in life, something major has to happen for people to really pay attention.

[x-y-no]

Is this anything but a political rant?

It's his prefessional opinion... valid.

Uh huh ... "scam" "dastardly scientists" "environmental whacko" "totally slanted, bogus" ...

Very professional.

"I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change.

"Run away?" Who is claiming that? Nobody says we're going to turn into Venus for God's sake!


Frankly, this guy sounds more unhinged than anyone he's attacking does.

[HURAKAN]

To me it sounds like: "bla, bla bla, Global Warming, bla, bla, bla, scam, bla bla, bla.

[jasons2k]

While the questions here are all valid (where is the evidence?) it looks to me like this was just a posting of his thoughts on a blog somewhere, not a research paper or article to be published.

That said, it is interesting to see what his personal opinion on the subject is. I'd like to know what his sources are too.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

History of the last 500,000 years of data supports warm and cool periods. So there is some case to be discused on that, but also the fact that up intill the mid 19th century we where with in a ice age. Yeah you have a point that the sun is having less and less of a impact, but its always good to be very careful about things that could impact the whole world for the worst if this was to be shown to be so. In fact if you people where serious, we would put money into the space program to find away off this planet. Because if this is as serious as you say it is, we need to get off this rock.

[MGC]

I just returned from a trip out west. One of our stops was at Lake Tahoe. What a beautiful place. Drove our rented SUV all around the lake. At one spot on the lake, the forest service has a information station concerning the health of the lake. It also provided a history of Lake Tahoe which included some historic data on the water level of the lake. According to the Forest Service, the level of Lake Tahoe was some 14 feet lower several hundred years ago. This was determined by the discovery of submerged trees that grew for several hundred years while the lake was at a lower level. The stated cause of the lowered lake level was drought. Imagine a drought that lasted long enough to lower the level of such a large lake and allow a forest to establish itself before refilling. What could have caused such an extended drought at Lake Tahoe? Surely it was not caused by the burning of fossile fuels as this drought predates the current CO2 crisis. That drought was just an example of the nature of our environment. There are natural periods of warm and cold, wet and dry. Currently the Earth is experiencing a natural warming period. I don't agree with the hype of man induced global warming. It IMO is a fraud......MGC

[HURAKAN]

That's just an example of local changes, not something that's global. Earth is warming, true. CO2 is one of the main gases to trap the heat energy from the solar rays, true. Since the industrial revolution we have been putting billions of barrels of CO2 into the atmosphere, true. Is not that difficult to tie the knots.

[x-y-no]

I just returned from a trip out west. One of our stops was at Lake Tahoe. What a beautiful place. Drove our rented SUV all around the lake. At one spot on the lake, the forest service has a information station concerning the health of the lake. It also provided a history of Lake Tahoe which included some historic data on the water level of the lake. According to the Forest Service, the level of Lake Tahoe was some 14 feet lower several hundred years ago. This was determined by the discovery of submerged trees that grew for several hundred years while the lake was at a lower level. The stated cause of the lowered lake level was drought. Imagine a drought that lasted long enough to lower the level of such a large lake and allow a forest to establish itself before refilling. What could have caused such an extended drought at Lake Tahoe? Surely it was not caused by the burning of fossile fuels as this drought predates the current CO2 crisis. That drought was just an example of the nature of our environment. There are natural periods of warm and cold, wet and dry. Currently the Earth is experiencing a natural warming period. I don't agree with the hype of man induced global warming. It IMO is a fraud......MGC

I'm not absolutely sure, but it's my understanding that that drought event is thought to be a result of the same shift in climate that led to the Medieval warm period in Europe and NE America.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

I'm not sure what to say about this, except that it only confuses
me. I'll readily admit that I do not know much about this area of science.

[Squarethecircle]

Not catastrophic, check.
Everything else, not check.
It's going to be bad. There have been worse, however. Denying the evidence, even though local data has been enormously fluctuating, however slight it is, is crazy.