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#21 Postby Terrell » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:24 pm

Squarethecircle wrote:Punishment is futile, as there is no way to undo a crime. However, the threat of it hanging above their heads is much more effective. Thus prisons do not need to punish, only to threaten to do so, and reserve it for the more, how would you say, severe cases. The ones who are not punished will still be miserable, of course, but the ones that are even more miserable are the ones who will be publicized. The threat of something that you cannot even bring yourself to do is often far more effective than the punishment itself. If you are a child or a parent, you should have already learned this.


This sounds like an interesting idea, please elaborate on it. I do think that there are some things that can get a person put in prison that shouldn't, but they're what would be called consensual crimes, rather than acts intended to harm a non-consenting 3rd party.
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#22 Postby Squarethecircle » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:10 pm

Terrell wrote:
Squarethecircle wrote:Punishment is futile, as there is no way to undo a crime. However, the threat of it hanging above their heads is much more effective. Thus prisons do not need to punish, only to threaten to do so, and reserve it for the more, how would you say, severe cases. The ones who are not punished will still be miserable, of course, but the ones that are even more miserable are the ones who will be publicized. The threat of something that you cannot even bring yourself to do is often far more effective than the punishment itself. If you are a child or a parent, you should have already learned this.


This sounds like an interesting idea, please elaborate on it. I do think that there are some things that can get a person put in prison that shouldn't, but they're what would be called consensual crimes, rather than acts intended to harm a non-consenting 3rd party.


It's less of an idea, more of a concept; not something to be outlined. If you can think of a life that is already wasted as having a different use, then there's no limit to what you can do with it, but there must be a line drawn. That's what separates the opportunists from the purely cruel.

As for the second comment, I agree, to an extent.
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#23 Postby southerngale » Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:12 pm

These two monsters make me sick. And even with this sicko woman participating in the killing of her own daughter, the little girl is telling her "Mommy" that she loves her.

What I'd give to get that precious little girl back. Those beasts deserve the same treatment they gave that innocent baby, at the very least. They're guilty. They know it. We know it. Why waste the taxpayers' money? Just send them off now to face their Maker! :grr:


'Baby Grace' tried to stop abuse by telling her mother she loved her
January 27, 2009 - 12:27 PM

GALVESTON, Texas (AP) - A prosecutor has told jurors that the toddler who came to be known as "Baby Grace" tried to stop the deadly discipline session by telling her mother she loved her.

A jury of seven women and five men heard opening statements Tuesday in the trial of 20-year-old Kimberly Dawn Trenor, who is charged with capital murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Riley Ann Sawyers.

Prosecutor Kayla Allen went into gruesome detail describing a discipline session that "spun out of control" when the toddler forgot to say "please" and "yes sir" to her stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II. Zeigler will be tried later.

Allen said the pair beat the child, held her head under water and finally Zeigler threw the little girl across the room.

Trenor's defense attorney said the woman cannot be convicted of capital murder because she never intended to kill Riley, and that Zeigler delivered the injuries that killed her.

http://www.kfdm.com/news/zeigler_29869___article.html/tried_session.html


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#24 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:17 pm

if she is "only" guilty of manslaughter... then she deserves 20 years in a prison that is many times harsher than Sheriff Joe's jails!

I think everyone understands the type of prison I would run... already kind of mentioned it earlier in the thread, but do not want to explicitly state it as it may be taken out of context
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#25 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:48 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:if she is "only" guilty of manslaughter... then she deserves 20 years in a prison that is many times harsher than Sheriff Joe's jails!

I think everyone understands the type of prison I would run... already kind of mentioned it earlier in the thread, but do not want to explicitly state it as it may be taken out of context


Send her off to Siberia and make her do hard labor with no food.
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#26 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:50 pm

Ptarmigan wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:if she is "only" guilty of manslaughter... then she deserves 20 years in a prison that is many times harsher than Sheriff Joe's jails!

I think everyone understands the type of prison I would run... already kind of mentioned it earlier in the thread, but do not want to explicitly state it as it may be taken out of context


Send her off to Siberia and make her do hard labor with no food.


not sufficient enough punishment
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Re: Mother of 'Baby Grace' Told Police She Tortured, Beat Daught

#27 Postby O Town » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:02 pm

Look at that sweet face. How in the world anybody could hurt a child like that is
beyond me.
southerngale wrote:These two monsters make me sick. And even with this sicko woman participating in the killing of her own daughter, the little girl is telling her "Mommy" that she loves her.

Those beasts deserve the same treatment they gave that innocent baby, at the very least. They're guilty. They know it. We know it. Why waste the taxpayers' money? Just send them off now to face their Maker! :grr:



Agreed! :grrr:
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#28 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:32 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:
not sufficient enough punishment


Than what is? This is the harshest I can think of.
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#29 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:48 pm

check your PMs, PT
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#30 Postby Miss Mary » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:21 am

All children need to be loved and cherished. And whoever said if you suspect abuse is happening to a child, I agree, the child must come first, it is imperative that you must speak up.

It's just sick what this little girl went thru in her very short life.

I'm not sure what I want for these two monsters. Life without parole, thrown to the prison population and to he** whatever happens to them, is honestly, what I would hope happens. But they'll be protected if not put to death. More than this little girl received.

Very, very tragic story, a truly heart breaking one.
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#31 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:39 am

There will be no death penalty, at least for the mom. Life in prison will be automatic if convicted.
One person pointed out yesterday in news reports that during the whole long confession played in court the woman never said she loved the chile or that she was sorry for what had been done. Her attorney's are of course trying to play her out as a pawn of her husband as opposed to and being an "active" participant. I stop here so I won't have to ban myself.
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#32 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:53 pm

The mother and father should be thrown into a lava filled volcano!
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#33 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:24 pm

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:The mother and father should be thrown into a lava filled volcano!


the cremation will occur too quickly!

it need sot be slower... they should suffer some so that perhaps they repent at the last minute, before they meet their final judge
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#34 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:46 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:
Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:The mother and father should be thrown into a lava filled volcano!


the cremation will occur too quickly!

it need sot be slower... they should suffer some so that perhaps they repent at the last minute, before they meet their final judge


I agree!
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#35 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:26 pm

Strange turn of events for me with this case. I found out today that one of my friends from church is the defense lawyer for the father in this case. :eek: I am presuming he is a public defender(don't know that for sure)since this is being tried in Galveston and not Houston where his firm is. The lawyer is a good Christian man and I know he will do what is right in this case.
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#36 Postby Category 5 » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:17 pm

The parents should be water boarded over and over. Then their fingers should be cut off with wire cutters one at a time. Then their toes, then their arms, then their legs. The their bleeding bodies should be thrown into a chamber where they will be slowly nerve gassed. :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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#38 Postby mf_dolphin » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:56 pm

One down one to go......
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#39 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:15 pm

throw that POS into a level 4 concentration camp for a few years

now that would be an incredibly harsh punishment
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#40 Postby Bunkertor » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:50 pm

Sentenced "life" in US doesn´t mean 20 years, isn´t it ?
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