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December Tropical Systems

#1 Postby SCHurricane » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:13 am

Hi Folks...

Any idea where I can find a list of all tropical storms or hurricanes that have formed during the month of December??

Thanks
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Re: December Tropical Systems

#2 Postby RattleMan » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:41 am

SCHurricane wrote:Hi Folks...

Any idea where I can find a list of all tropical storms or hurricanes that have formed during the month of December??

Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_no ... son_storms
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#3 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:54 am

here are the storms that formed in or lasted into December since 1998

Nicole, 1998
Olga, 2001
Odette, 2003
Peter, 2003
Otto, 2004
Epsilon, 2005
Zeta, 2005

7 occurrances since 1998. Averages to nearly 1 storm per year in December since 1998
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#4 Postby RL3AO » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:42 am

I think the hurricane season should be May 1 to December 31. After all, May and December storms aren't that uncommon.
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#5 Postby Cyclone1 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:25 pm

RL3AO wrote:I think the hurricane season should be May 1 to December 31. After all, May and December storms aren't that uncommon.

Actually yes they are. They would need to see a definite trend for at least 15ish years or so before extending it. If that.
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#6 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:59 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:
RL3AO wrote:I think the hurricane season should be May 1 to December 31. After all, May and December storms aren't that uncommon.

Actually yes they are. They would need to see a definite trend for at least 15ish years or so before extending it. If that.


How about do something simple - make hurricane season January 1 to December 31 like in some other basins?
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#7 Postby Cyclone1 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:17 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
Cyclone1 wrote:
RL3AO wrote:I think the hurricane season should be May 1 to December 31. After all, May and December storms aren't that uncommon.

Actually yes they are. They would need to see a definite trend for at least 15ish years or so before extending it. If that.


How about do something simple - make hurricane season January 1 to December 31 like in some other basins?


Because that would be kinda dumb. 1 storm has formed in January, 1 in February, 1 in March, 2 in April, and 2 storms past December 14 in the history of the Atlantic. There is definately a season, just not always well defined around the edges.
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#8 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:20 pm

Cyclone1 wrote:Because that would be kinda dumb. 1 storm has formed in January, 1 in February, 1 in March, 2 in April, and 2 storms past December 14 in the history of the Atlantic. There is definately a season, just not always well defined around the edges.


Those numbers are just known storms - it is almost certain there were more that were not caught (or incorrectly assessed) without reliable satellite estimates.
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#9 Postby Cyclone1 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:22 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
Cyclone1 wrote:Because that would be kinda dumb. 1 storm has formed in January, 1 in February, 1 in March, 2 in April, and 2 storms past December 14 in the history of the Atlantic. There is definately a season, just not always well defined around the edges.


Those numbers are just known storms - it is almost certain there were more that were not caught (or incorrectly assessed) without reliable satellite estimates.

Yeah, but we're talking like, 20-30 storms since 1851. Conditions in the offseason are just not supportive for tropical development, the vast majority of the time. All those storms are exceptions, not rules.
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#11 Postby Squarethecircle » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:32 pm

:uarrow: Might want to edit that; some of the ones and periods are interfering with the links.
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Re: December Tropical Systems

#12 Postby Sanibel » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:15 am

The SST's could be warmer, therefore skewing the season.
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#13 Postby Coredesat » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:03 am

People need to understand that the SSTs don't just crash once December rolls around. SSTs can be at least marginal through late February especially in the deep tropics (which is where Olga is, most of the December storms formed in the mid-latitudes); the cooling is gradual. This may have contributed to past December storms and some that went undetected.
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#14 Postby Squarethecircle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:13 am

:uarrow: One of the main factors I believe is that the winds in Winter are very different from those in the Summer and Fall, and thus storms are much less likely to form. SSTs, as especially shown buy some of the 2005 storms, are not always a requirement for formation anyway. 26 celsius is always more than enough for a storm to develop.
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