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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#401 Postby Brent » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:19 pm

lurker_from_nc wrote:
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Bye Bye TV season.

I'm not even upset about it anymore.


It gets worse. The writer-directors are urging the DGA to delay start talks with AMPTP until the writer's strike is over. DGA's contract ends June 30th. I'm sure writer-actors will urge the SGA to do the same. Also, force-de-majure (sp?) letters can be sent start next week, I think . .


I wouldn't be at all surprised to see next fall affected at this rate. We could have an industry-wide strike by then(actors, directors, and writers). Even movie production would be shutdown.

TV will be much different when this is over. I'm so glad I've been stockpiling DVD sets the past few weeks.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#402 Postby lurkey » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:20 pm

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I wouldn't be at all surprised to see next fall affected at this rate. We could have an industry-wide strike by then(actors, directors, and writers). Even movie production would be shutdown.

TV will be much different when this is over. I'm so glad I've been stockpiling DVD sets the past few weeks.

I think the AMPTP is taking this opportunity to break or weaken the all three unions.

WGA has issued a press release challenging the AMPTP to stay at the table through Christmas.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#403 Postby Brent » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:44 pm

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I wouldn't be at all surprised to see next fall affected at this rate. We could have an industry-wide strike by then(actors, directors, and writers). Even movie production would be shutdown.

TV will be much different when this is over. I'm so glad I've been stockpiling DVD sets the past few weeks.

I think the AMPTP is taking this opportunity to break or weaken the all three unions.


and to be honest... if this strike is indeed still going in the summer, it will break up at least the WGA. They won't survive this.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#404 Postby grentz7721 » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:47 pm

If the WGA breaks up, There would be no writers' union, right?
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#405 Postby lurkey » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:07 pm

I don't think any of the unions will break up because of the strike as long as 1. they all stick together and 2. they have fans on their sides. If this current offer falls through, I would wait until summer until the SAG and DGA strike. SAG won't put up with this crap. Of the three unions, they are the most militant. DGA may start talking, but I don't think the SAG will.

The writers have been smart in sense, they have gotten the fans actively involved. I have rolled my eyes at "Dog Day at the Picket Line" and "Singles Day at the Picket Line". Mainly, because it's bizarre. But the showrunners, writer/producers, have organized Joss Whedon Day at the Picket Line. The picket line would feature writers, actors and directors of all Joss' shows. Star Trek writers organized "Trekkie Day". I'm sure there was LOST Day somewhere. The writers on Lost have been active on the LOST boards rallying support.

The TV writers are taking the lead in this strike. Mostly, I think, because they have greater control over the final product. I haven't read much from the movie writers.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#406 Postby Brent » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:55 pm

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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#407 Postby lurkey » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:23 pm




Why am I not surprised? When do the force majuere letters to the actors go out?
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#408 Postby grentz7721 » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:34 pm

Any more talks scheduled?
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#409 Postby lurkey » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:17 am

New Gordon Ramsay show on BBC America: Ramsay's Boiling Point. Apparently it is 5 part documentary from 1998


No more talks scheduled. The AMPTP has effectively walked away from the table.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#410 Postby grentz7721 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:23 pm

Like I said: Why can't the writers comply with the pay? :roll:
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#411 Postby lurkey » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:07 pm

grentz7721 wrote:Like I said: Why can't the writers comply with the pay? :roll:


The writers got screwed by their leadership and the AMPTP last time. AMPTP failed to honor its promise last time to revisit the issue of residuals.

I agree that the other issues of striking when other unions strike and jurisdiction of animation writers were unnecessary and AMPTP was right to reject them.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#412 Postby grentz7721 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:27 pm

FYI, lurker_from_nc, The cartoon writers are not unionzed unlike the live-action TV writers.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#413 Postby lurkey » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:51 pm

grentz7721 wrote:FYI, lurker_from_nc, The cartoon writers are not unionzed unlike the live-action TV writers.

It's my understanding that they are represented by another union other than the WGA. One of the issues in the counter-proposal was to force the AMPTP to hire reality show writers and animation writers who are WGA members. In other words force reality show writers and animation writers to join the WGA if they want work on AMPTP productions.

Your Animation proposal, W-14, is likewise unacceptable. As you know, there is another union which has long had jurisdiction over the work you are now seeking to cover by your proposal. We believe that it should be up to the writers in this field, using the procedures carefully established by Congress in the 1940s
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#414 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:00 pm

From the Hollywood Reporter:

Strike skews nets' skeds, ad sale plans
By Paul J. Gough

Dec 10, 2007

The nightmare possible scenarios for the second half of the 2007-08 broadcast season and the fall 2008 development season are looming on the horizon as talks between AMPTP and the WGA broke off Friday night.

The full effect of the writers strike will start to play across primetime in January. CBS, NBC and Fox have already outlined their plans for the first quarter, which employ the nets' entire arsenal of midseason scripted shows as well as reality and judicious repeats. (ABC is expected to announce its strike-afflicted schedule early this week).

On the development front, the setback in the negotiations between the two sides brings the networks' closer to the possibility of scrapping this pilot season, something the nets will be forced to do if the writers work stoppage stretches well into February.

The most circulated scenario in that case includes the networks renewing all their existing series for next fall, producing their pilots in the summer and launching their new crop of shows in midseason.

That in part, would put the traditional May upfront in limbo, adding to the sense of unease on Madison Avenue, where ad buyers already are concerned about the expected audience erosion in the first and especially the second quarter.

"There's been a lag in primetime with the strike. No one has felt the impact of it for the first weeks," said Brad Adgate, senior vp research at New York-based ad buyer Horizon Media. "But (the networks) aren't putting their best foot forward (anymore). And the longer this thing is dragged out, the worse it's going to be in terms of scheduling."

One network exec said that it's tough to plan for something when you don't know how long you're going to be planning for.

"We have all kinds of programming we can reach for," the executive said. "I think the toughest part of planning for this is just the unknown. We don't know. Is this going to end in a week? Two weeks? A month? Two months? That's the toughest part."

The networks are starting to look at what to do about March and April and even later than that, depending on how long the strike lasts.

"I'm really concerned about everybody but Fox starting in February," said Shari Anne Brill, senior vp at New York-based ad buyer Carat. Brill said Fox will be in good shape with "American Idol" and repeats of "House," along with new programming like "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." That will offset the disappointment over "24." (Because of the heavily serialized nature of "24," Fox opted to hold the series instead of airing a partial season.)

Advertisers, who often worry that the programs they buy during the upfront negotiations might not be there later in the season, are now assured of it as the last original episodes of the fall series are played out and they all slip into repeats or are replaced. Some advertisers have pulled dollars because they likely won't be able to get the impact they expected. But there isn't a mass exodus, because first-quarter options -- the time when they could pull upfront commitments without penalty -- expired long ago.

But if the strike doesn't get settled soon, agencies and advertisers could exercise second-quarter options that are coming due in January. And if the networks underdeliver on their ratings guarantees -- and it's reasonable to assume that they will, given how nothing but "American Idol" will equal or better the delivery of originals of "House," "Grey's Anatomy" or "CSI" -- the networks would have to give make-goods or even cash back.

ABC's serialized scripted hits don't repeat well, but the network has a deep bench of replacements as well as reality hits "Dancing With the Stars" and "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition." On the other hand, CBS doesn't have that much inventory, but its crime dramas tend to repeat well, something that would be an advantage -- but only in the short term.

"There's only so many times you can run the sprockets off something," Carat's Brill said. "How many encores can you run?"

CBS will hope to bring some magic to the broadcast network with the decidedly un-family-friendly "Dexter" and perhaps other series from sister network Showtime.

"It probably speaks to how much they need scripted product," Brill said. "They probably have the least backup of any network. There are seven episodes of 'Jericho.' Maybe they are wishing they had gotten more."

NBC has had a shaky start of the season even without a strike. But scheduling chief Vince Manze said Friday that it will have more original hours of programming -- scripted and reality -- in the first quarter than it did in first-quarter 2007. The growth comes mostly from unscripted fare -- as many as 11 hours a week -- as the network plans to air 85 hours of original scripted episodes, down from about 100 last year.

That includes returning "Medium" and "Law & Order" as well as "Lipstick Jungle" and repurposed episodes of USA's "Law & Order: Criminal Intent." "Friday Night Lights" and "Vegas" were on an accelerated schedule, so there still are plenty of episodes.

"We are fortunate enough that we had always planned on having scripted backup," Manze said. "The objective was to have as much original scripted as possible."

It hasn't been a picnic for the networks, who have been forced to be creative with the first-quarter schedules and will have to get even more creative if the strike lasts into second quarter and, worse, further.

At least one network is trying to figure out contingencies based on dates when the strike continues and are getting to the point where there's only ideas and nothing too solid in the future.

"You're trying to keep possibilities out there and reaching for them as you need them," one exec said. "It's an ongoing process, and it's not fun."
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#415 Postby GalvestonDuck » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:32 am

grentz7721 wrote:Like I said: Why can't the writers comply with the pay? :roll:


Comply with the pay? What pay?

That's their reason for striking -- they don't get paid when shows are streamed on the network websites or downloaded through Itunes.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#416 Postby grentz7721 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:16 am

I know. I'm guessing the writers are trying to raise the price of downloading shows for Itunes.
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#417 Postby lurkey » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:23 am

grentz7721 wrote:I know. I'm guessing the writers are trying to raise the price of downloading shows for Itunes.


No, they are trying to be fairly compensated under the residual system. The networks will use this as an excuse to try to raise the prices of d/l shows at places like iTunes. They will see how much the residual will cut into their margins vs. what price will consumers will pay before they go download it for free . . . simple Economics 101 . . .
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#418 Postby grentz7721 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:00 pm

Oh, ok. I get it now. :wink:
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#419 Postby lurkey » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:23 pm

http://www.amptp.com/ Click if you dare . . :lol:
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Re: What are you watching this Fall?

#420 Postby grentz7721 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:59 pm

I just read a part they are demanding to control reality and cartoon shows. :eek: I think that is why they are striking. :roll:
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