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#741 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:26 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Evil Jeremy wrote:wxman, I don't mean to talk bad about you, but you have been wrong alot with this storm so far. At first, you didn't even think it would form, then you thought it would only last for about 12-18 hours, and you said that it would be killed by the mountains, which didn't happen. And yesterday you were saying to expect shear in excess of 50kt, but now you are saying that the westerlies are below the storm. You were also wrong partially with Noel. I am not saying your not great, because you are. I am just saying that you put so much confidence in your forecasts, but they are not always right. Your amazing and a great forecaster who explains all of the facts, but you give little room for error.


I certainly don't buy the Canadian model every time it forecasts an upper low to develop into a TC (about 200 times a season). If this system had formed in the open Atlantic I have no doubt it would never have been named. It only got attention because of its potential to cause heavy rain across the DR. And, just because the NHC continues to carry it as a TS doesn't make it a TS. It wasn't so much the crossing of mountains that killed Olga, it was the increasing shear. Weak storms (and subtropical systems aren't impacted severely by passing over land). Don't know what you mean about "westerlies below the storm". Winds aloft are from the west to northwest and increasing. Winds in the lower to mid levels are from the east and east-southeast. Quite a bit of shear.

Give it up, Olga is history.


I am not talking strictly about Olga. You generally give little room for error. The tropics change all of the time, and nothing is ever set in stone.
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Re: Tropical Storm OLGA South of Cuba : Discussions & Images

#742 Postby tailgater » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:27 pm

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... wg8sht.GIF
Looks like it's sheared about same as it was for the past 18 hrs. I don't think it will go TS strength on next Avd. but sould hang for a 24 hrs. or so.
http://hadar.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... al/278.jpg
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Re: Tropical Storm OLGA South of Cuba : Discussions & Images

#743 Postby RL3AO » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:30 pm

tailgater wrote:http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/winds/wg8sht.GIF
Looks like it's sheared about same as it was for the past 18 hrs. I don't think it will go TS strength on next Avd. but sould hang for a 24 hrs. or so.
http://hadar.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... al/278.jpg


No way. The next advisory will be the last. As wxman showed, there is no longer a closed circulation (even the NHC said it at 15z).
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#744 Postby Squarethecircle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:33 pm

Olga is definitely dying (or rather, dead), but I have to admit, Wxman's arrogance is fairly annoying.
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#745 Postby Squarethecircle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:34 pm

:uarrow: It's definitely not going out NOW.
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#746 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:36 pm

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It's time. Image
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#747 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:45 pm

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 40 MPH...65 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. THESE WINDS ARE MAINLY CONFINED TO A FEW BANDS WELL TO THE
NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER. OLGA COULD DISSIPATE AS A TROPICAL
CYCLONE LATER TODAY.
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Re: Tropical Storm OLGA Official Advisories

#748 Postby cycloneye » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:54 pm

000
WTNT32 KNHC 121734
TCPAT2
BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM OLGA INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 7A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL172007
100 PM EST WED DEC 12 2007

...OLGA CONTINUES WESTWARD...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE SOUTHEASTERN
BAHAMAS AND THE TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 1000 AM EST...1500Z...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM OLGA WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 19.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE 76.0 WEST OR ABOUT 85
MILES...135 KM...SOUTHWEST OF GUANTANAMO CUBA.

OLGA IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 23 MPH...37 KM/HR...AND THIS
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 40 MPH...65 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. THESE WINDS ARE MAINLY CONFINED TO A FEW BANDS WELL TO THE
NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER. OLGA COULD DISSIPATE AS A TROPICAL
CYCLONE LATER TODAY.

TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 345 MILES...555 KM
TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1009 MB...29.80 INCHES.

OLGA IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE ADDITIONAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 1
TO 2 INCHES OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS. RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 2
TO 4 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER EASTERN CUBA...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM
ACCUMULATIONS OF 8 INCHES. RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 4 TO 6 INCHES ARE
POSSIBLE OVER HISPANIOLA...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 10
INCHES. THESE RAINS ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH
FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES IN HISPANIOLA.

REPEATING THE 100 PM EST POSITION...19.0 N...76.0 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 23 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1009 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 400 PM EST.

$$
FORECASTER FRANKLIN/MAINELLI

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#749 Postby Frank2 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:58 pm

Someone here in the office asked me if the models are indicating another Wilma-like turn, and, except for a COL environment between the Atlantic high and the developing trough/low to the northwest, it doesn't appear that Olga would be a concern, considering the strong shear and dry air...

It seems likely that the system will continue to dissipate as the NHC has believed it would...
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#750 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:31 pm

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Looks like those poor EPAC souls after moving over the cold pacific waters.
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#751 Postby RL3AO » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:33 pm

The circulation looks a little better now that it has gotten some more time over water. Not enough to keep it as a TC though.
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#752 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:34 pm

Squarethecircle wrote:Olga is definitely dying (or rather, dead), but I have to admit, Wxman's arrogance is fairly annoying.


Wxman is NOT arrogant. I thank you Wxman for sharing your views and skills on this forum.
Even with my chronic -removed- I do not ever attack a meteorologist. Wxman57 knows
a lot of stuff and he is trying to explain it.

Thank you Wxman57 for explaining Olga's Processes. Even though I am personally sad
that Olga won't make it into Florida, I am grateful for your expertise.
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#753 Postby artist » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:38 pm

Squarethecircle wrote:Olga is definitely dying (or rather, dead), but I have to admit, Wxman's arrogance is fairly annoying.

and some of those without a degree can be even more so.
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#754 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:39 pm

Persons like wxman57 are the ones that don't allow unprofessional opinions to rule the forum. Without Derek, wxman57, and all the others pros, the forum would go crazy and wouldn't serve the purpose of providing the best and latest information.
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Re: Tropical Storm OLGA South of Cuba : Discussions & Images

#755 Postby cpdaman » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:44 pm

let's see in the next 12 hours if olga was just pulling a rope a dope with most everyone's opinions. i would not give up a storm under 80 degree waters that has a history of surprise.
note this is a lot different that saying it will "likely" regain strength.
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Re: Tropical Storm OLGA Models Thread

#756 Postby cycloneye » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:46 pm

WHXX01 KWBC 121842
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1842 UTC WED DEC 12 2007

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL CYCLONE OLGA (AL172007) 20071212 1800 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
071212 1800 071213 0600 071213 1800 071214 0600

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 19.0N 76.3W 18.9N 79.3W 19.0N 81.8W 18.8N 83.5W
BAMD 19.0N 76.3W 18.9N 77.2W 18.8N 78.1W 18.7N 79.2W
BAMM 19.0N 76.3W 18.9N 78.2W 19.0N 80.0W 19.3N 81.4W
LBAR 19.0N 76.3W 19.0N 78.9W 19.0N 81.3W 19.1N 83.5W
SHIP 30KTS 29KTS 26KTS 25KTS
DSHP 30KTS 29KTS 26KTS 25KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
071214 1800 071215 1800 071216 1800 071217 1800

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 18.6N 85.4W 20.2N 87.9W 20.6N 86.2W 19.7N 85.8W
BAMD 18.5N 80.5W 19.1N 83.3W 22.5N 79.0W 27.2N 64.1W
BAMM 19.3N 83.0W 20.9N 85.7W 24.8N 79.9W 28.7N 66.8W
LBAR 18.6N 85.3W 17.9N 88.3W 17.0N 89.3W 15.0N 90.4W
SHIP 22KTS 0KTS 0KTS 0KTS
DSHP 22KTS 0KTS 0KTS 0KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 19.0N LONCUR = 76.3W DIRCUR = 270DEG SPDCUR = 22KT
LATM12 = 19.1N LONM12 = 72.0W DIRM12 = 272DEG SPDM12 = 20KT
LATM24 = 18.5N LONM24 = 68.4W
WNDCUR = 30KT RMAXWD = 60NM WNDM12 = 40KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1011MB OUTRAD = 90NM SDEPTH = S
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

$$
NNNN
Downgraded.
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#757 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:47 pm

I do give up when I see the WV image. Olga's over. Let it go and "let it snow!!"

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#758 Postby cycloneye » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:49 pm

HURAKAN wrote:Persons like wxman57 are the ones that don't allow unprofessional opinions to rule the forum. Without Derek, wxman57, and all the others pros, the forum would go crazy and wouldn't serve the purpose of providing the best and latest information.


Well said Sandy.
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Re: Tropical Storm OLGA South of Cuba : Discussions & Images

#759 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:58 pm

Good bye Olga. You had me a bit excited there with your moisture
getting sucked up into the front. I do look forward to a
nice strong action packed windy squall line of thunderstorms
crossing Florida on Saturday and possibly sucking in Dead Olga's
moisture.
That squall line will be the highlight of my weekend.
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Re: Tropical Storm OLGA South of Cuba : Discussions & Images

#760 Postby Frank2 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:10 pm

Considering Winter hasn't begun yet, it sounds like an early-Spring pre-frontal squall line...

We might go from Fall to Spring...
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