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More snow for the deep south?

#1 Postby timNms » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:17 pm

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps ... /801200303

"Marc McAllister, a forecaster for the National Weather Service in Jackson, said the last time the Pine Belt had received any accumulation was New Years' Eve in 2000.

"It's been a while," McAllister said.

McAllister said the forecast calls "for a lot of cold weather," with the possibility on Thursday of another round of mixed moisture, including rain, sleet, and yes, even more of the white stuff.

"It's just too early to tell right now," McAllister said. "It depends on what the front is going to do."
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#2 Postby Brent » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:29 pm

Looks like a threat of a wintry mix possible here Monday Night and Tuesday Night, but seems to be more of an ice threat than snow.

Huntsville:

THINGS TURN INTERESTING AGAIN FOR MONDAY NIGHT AS THE PLAINS SYSTEM
SWINGS INTO THE LOWER GRT LKS. MOISTURE TRANSPORT WILL MAXIMIZE BTWN
09-12Z IN RESPONSE TO A 30-40KT LOW-LVL JET...AND MODEL QPF REFLECTS
THIS IN A SWATH OF SLIGHTLY HIGHER QPF ACROSS NRN MS/WRN TN...JUST
GRAZING NW AL. A PROBLEM HERE IS THAT SFC TEMPS MAY NOT BE THAT FAR
ABOVE 32F...AND 00Z NAM AND GFS BUFR PROFILES DIVERGE ON HOW MUCH
WARMING CAN BE EXPECTED NEAR THE SFC. DRIER NAM SHOWS A SUBSTANTIAL
WET BULB WARM NOSE ABOVE 950MB...BUT A COLD LAYER BELOW 0 FOR THE
LOWEST 1500FT OR SO. THE WETTER/WARMER GFS SHOWS AN ENTIRELY RAIN
SOUNDING. CONSIDERING THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WAA EXPECTED TO OCCUR BY
EARLY TUES AM...WILL TREND WITH THE GFS. IT WILL BE A CLOSE ONE
WORTH KEEPING AN EYE ON...ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE ANY SUBTLE WEDGE
EFFECTS THAT THE NAM MIGHT HANDLE BETTER.

Birmingham:

FORECAST FOR THE LONG TERM STARTS OUT TRICKY...WITH THE NEXT SYSTEM
WORKING INTO THE AREA LATE MONDAY INTO TUESDAY. OVERALL TIMING WILL
SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE RAIN WORK INTO CENTRAL ALABAMA AFTER 6 AM ON
TUESDAY...AND THEN CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH THE AREA DURING THE DAY.
THE NAM IS THE SLOWEST...WHILE THE GFS AND ECMWF ARE A FAIRLY
CONSISTENT 3 TO 6 HOURS EARLIER. SCENARIO IN PLACE WILL BE A COLD
AIR WEDGE IN PLACE...WITH A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVING INTO
LOUISIANA. BASED ON SOUNDINGS AND TIMING WILL GO WITH A SLIGHT
CHANCE OF A COLD RAIN ACROSS THE NORTHEAST AFTER 3 AM. THIS WILL
NEED TO MONITORED AS ANY FLUCTUATION WITH TEMPERATURES OR SPEED MAY
RESULT IN SOME WINTRY MIX.

Atlanta:

MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY COULD HAVE SEVERAL
POSSIBILITIES. 850MB WINDS GO RAPIDLY TO SOUTHEAST LATE
MONDAY...BRINGING A RETURN OF MOISTURE TO THE AREA. HOWEVER...SOME
WEDGING INDICATED MONDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY AS HIGH SLIDES OFF
THE COAST. WITH AMOUNT OF RETURN MOISTURE IN QUESTION AT THIS
POINT...HAVE GONE WITH SLIGHT CHANCE POPS ACROSS THE NORTH DUE TO
SOME UPSLOPE FLOW AFTER MIDNIGHT MONDAY. WITH TEMPERATURES AROUND
FREEZING...HAVE USED A RAIN/SNOW COMBINATION. CHANCE POPS DURING THE
DAY TUESDAY AHEAD OF APPROACHING FRONT.

.LONG TERM /TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SATURDAY/...
SURFACE FRONT CROSSES THE CWA TUESDAY EVENING WITH SOME FREEZING
PRECIPITATION POSSIBLE OVER THE NORTH BEFORE IT ENDS.
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#3 Postby timNms » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:56 pm

NWS in Jackson not saying much about this new threat. But then again, they didn't decide to issue warnings concerning yesterday's event until there was an inch or more of snow on the ground :lol:

LONG TERM...A SERIES OF DISTURBANCES WILL TRACK ACROSS THE REGION THROUGH THE EXTENDED PERIOD. THE NEXT SURFACE TROUGH MOVES THROUGH TUESDAY WITH SURFACE RIDGING BUILDING IN TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY. ANOTHER QUESTION OF PRECIP TYPE COMES UP FOR THE WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY TIME FRAME. WILL FOLLOW WARMER SOLUTION FOR NOW AND MAINTAIN GOOD RAIN CHANCES FOR THE REGION FOR THIS PERIOD. THE SURFACE LOW REMAINS NEAR THE TX COAST WITH PRIMARY FORCING CONTRIBUTED BY ISENTROPIC LIFT AT MID AND UPPER LEVELS...WHICH DECREASES EARLY THURSDAY AS THE MID/UPPER WAVES PIVOTS TO THE EAST. PRECIP AMOUNTS WILL BE LIGHT WITH PRECIPITABLE WATER VALUES REMAINING BELOW ONE INCH.
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#4 Postby MississippiHurricane » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:51 pm

WOW! I was JUST thinking this yesterday before this post opened up! ROFL. Round 2 would be hella nice and VERY VERY rare I believe. The more SNOW the merrier. Now I will hush up or I will jinx it XD.
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#5 Postby timNms » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:20 pm

MississippiHurricane wrote:WOW! I was JUST thinking this yesterday before this post opened up! ROFL. Round 2 would be hella nice and VERY VERY rare I believe. The more SNOW the merrier. Now I will hush up or I will jinx it XD.


Showing my age here, but it has happened before. In January 1977 we had snow on Jan. 18 (I remember because it was my cousin's birthday) and again a few days later. We were happy kids.
Still, nothing compares to the Blizzard of March 93! We had snowdrifts over a foot deep. If memory serves me correctly, we had about 9 inches of snow during that storm. Local mets kept saying "No snow for us, just cold rain." Then, when it started sleeting that evening just before dark, local mets said, "No accumulation because the ground is too warm". (We'd had temps near 80 a day or so before). When the sleet started accumulating and then changed to snow, the local mets were saying, "Possibly an inch of accumulation on grassy surfaces". You know, it's a good thing the ground was too wet for accumulation because had it not been, we'd still be digging out today from that 93 storm :lol:
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#6 Postby Brent » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:59 pm

The GFS really looks drier and a lot colder for this coming week. Looks like a minor event Tuesday(probably mostly rain for MS/AL/GA), and then not much else til Saturday which could be wintry again for someone. The Thursday storm is gone.
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#7 Postby HarlequinBoy » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:21 pm

We've been below freezing since late Friday, but we have no wintry precip forecast chances in our forecast. =[
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#8 Postby timNms » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:37 pm

Brent wrote:The GFS really looks drier and a lot colder for this coming week. Looks like a minor event Tuesday(probably mostly rain for MS/AL/GA), and then not much else til Saturday which could be wintry again for someone. The Thursday storm is gone.


I was looking at that a little while ago. No biggie for me, tho. I'd rather not miss a day of school. Hate to have to miss one of the NEEDED breaks from here until May!
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#9 Postby AL Chili Pepper » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:28 pm

timNms wrote:
MississippiHurricane wrote:WOW! I was JUST thinking this yesterday before this post opened up! ROFL. Round 2 would be hella nice and VERY VERY rare I believe. The more SNOW the merrier. Now I will hush up or I will jinx it XD.


Showing my age here, but it has happened before. In January 1977 we had snow on Jan. 18 (I remember because it was my cousin's birthday) and again a few days later. We were happy kids.
Still, nothing compares to the Blizzard of March 93! We had snowdrifts over a foot deep. If memory serves me correctly, we had about 9 inches of snow during that storm. Local mets kept saying "No snow for us, just cold rain." Then, when it started sleeting that evening just before dark, local mets said, "No accumulation because the ground is too warm". (We'd had temps near 80 a day or so before). When the sleet started accumulating and then changed to snow, the local mets were saying, "Possibly an inch of accumulation on grassy surfaces". You know, it's a good thing the ground was too wet for accumulation because had it not been, we'd still be digging out today from that 93 storm :lol:


I remember that. I think it was like 7 days between snowfalls. We had some gigantic snowballs rolled up and played in the snow until I was actually tired of it.
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#10 Postby Valkhorn » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:05 pm

Showing my age here, but it has happened before. In January 1977 we had snow on Jan. 18 (I remember because it was my cousin's birthday) and again a few days later. We were happy kids.
Still, nothing compares to the Blizzard of March 93! We had snowdrifts over a foot deep. If memory serves me correctly, we had about 9 inches of snow during that storm. Local mets kept saying "No snow for us, just cold rain." Then, when it started sleeting that evening just before dark, local mets said, "No accumulation because the ground is too warm". (We'd had temps near 80 a day or so before). When the sleet started accumulating and then changed to snow, the local mets were saying, "Possibly an inch of accumulation on grassy surfaces". You know, it's a good thing the ground was too wet for accumulation because had it not been, we'd still be digging out today from that 93 storm :lol:


I was in Meridian for the 1993 storm. We got officially 6". Seminary got 3-3.5" as Hattiesburg got close to 4".

I recall the watches/warnings went from Winter Weather Advisory to Winter Storm Warning to Heavy Snow Warning.

The Heavy Snow Warning wasn't issued until we had a good 2" down. By that time they forecasted up to 8" for our area.
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Re: More snow for the deep south?

#11 Postby timNms » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:17 pm

Valkhorn wrote:
Showing my age here, but it has happened before. In January 1977 we had snow on Jan. 18 (I remember because it was my cousin's birthday) and again a few days later. We were happy kids.
Still, nothing compares to the Blizzard of March 93! We had snowdrifts over a foot deep. If memory serves me correctly, we had about 9 inches of snow during that storm. Local mets kept saying "No snow for us, just cold rain." Then, when it started sleeting that evening just before dark, local mets said, "No accumulation because the ground is too warm". (We'd had temps near 80 a day or so before). When the sleet started accumulating and then changed to snow, the local mets were saying, "Possibly an inch of accumulation on grassy surfaces". You know, it's a good thing the ground was too wet for accumulation because had it not been, we'd still be digging out today from that 93 storm :lol:


I was in Meridian for the 1993 storm. We got officially 6". Seminary got 3-3.5" as Hattiesburg got close to 4".

I recall the watches/warnings went from Winter Weather Advisory to Winter Storm Warning to Heavy Snow Warning.

The Heavy Snow Warning wasn't issued until we had a good 2" down. By that time they forecasted up to 8" for our area.


I measured on the hood of my car with a ruler and it showed 9". A few months prior to the storm, we had had some pine trees cut from our lawn. The stumps the cutters left were a good foot above the ground. After the snow ended, the stumps were not visible. I assumed that was due to the blowing snow. It was amazing. Had thundersnow with the storm.
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