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#421 Postby Gustywind » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:59 am

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMa ... amp=200807

Interresting discussion from Jeff Masters Blog:
Posted by: JeffMasters, 9:39 AM EDT on July 02, 2008

A strong tropical wave (Invest 92L) is a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa, south of the Cape Verde Islands. This low has the potential to develop into a tropical depression later this week as it moves westwards at 15-20 mph. The low is under about 5-10 knots of wind shear, which is favorable for development. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, which is about 2-3°C above average for this date, and well above the 26°C threshold for tropical storm formation. There is not much African dust or dry air near the storm, but the low appears much as it did yesterday, with little heavy thunderstorm activity. The low has plenty of spin, as seen on this morning's QuikSCAT pass (Figure 1). One 35 mph (30 knot) wind vector was noted to the southwest of the storm's center in the QuikSCAT data, so 92L is kicking up some strong winds. There aren't really any negatives for development, except for climatology--there has never been a tropical depression that has formed east of 34° longitude in the first half of July (see the first image I posted in my July Atlantic hurricane outlook). NHC is giving a medium (20-50% chance) that 92L will develop into a tropical depression by Friday afternoon. All the models are developing this system into a tropical depression by Saturday. Wind shear is forecast by the SHIPS model to remain below 10 knots for the next four days, and the waters will stay warm (above 26°C) for the next 2-3 days of 92L's life. None of the computer models foresee that 92L will become a threat to land, and it currently appears that the storm will recurve in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, east of Bermuda. :wink:
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#422 Postby Chacor » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:59 am

Cyclone1 wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:well its is for sure the earliest that far east formation of a depression .. i have ever seen ..


Breaking the old record, Bertha in 1996.

Kinda cool, huh?


Remember, not a TD until TPC issues that first advisory...
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#423 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:00 am

Aric Dunn wrote:well its is for sure the earliest that far east formation of a depression .. i have ever seen ..

Yeah, surely would get into the record books if indeed this will be upgraded shortly into a TD.

Yes Miami, there is definitely a closed LLC on the Sat pic, with convection right on it.
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#424 Postby RL3AO » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:00 am

Top of the hour. Nothing yet.
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#425 Postby Frank2 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:01 am

As others said, however, as long as the NHC doesn't upgrade, then it's not officially considered a depression...

They might in the next cycle or two, but, not today...
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#426 Postby Chacor » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:01 am

Can someone check the backup FNMOC site and see if they have 02L too or still have 92L?
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Re: INVEST 92L in the Eastern Atlantic

#427 Postby drezee » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:02 am

Bertha's record is broken when it gets a name. We have had TD's further out than Bertha in June in the last 10 years. The name is the record...
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#428 Postby RL3AO » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:02 am

If we do get the first advisory within an hour or so, I'm sure the disco will have some interesting factoids.
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#429 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:03 am

Convection is starting to fire in the immediate vicinity of the LLC... note the new thunderstorm development.

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Re: INVEST 92L in the Eastern Atlantic

#430 Postby KWT » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:03 am

Frank2 wrote:Still, the quickscat observation would place the circulation center at 13N 19W - sounds "fishy" to me...

LOL


Forget quickscat on the image Aric put up the LLC is quite clear with a small are aof convection over the center. This is very interesting just need to wait and see, its true that this is not an offical TD yet until we've had offical word that that is the case.

Still 02L on the NRL site by the way.
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#431 Postby Chacor » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:06 am

Chacor wrote:Can someone check the backup FNMOC site and see if they have 02L too or still have 92L?


Anyone?
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#432 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:07 am

Chacor wrote:
Chacor wrote:Can someone check the backup FNMOC site and see if they have 02L too or still have 92L?


Anyone?

Yes!

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/tcweb/cgi-bin/tc_home.cgi

02L.TWO

It's specifically identified as TC #2 (TD 2) on this site.
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#433 Postby Chacor » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:08 am

Oh, one more thing to throw into the mix.

The storm is not in the NWS's area of high seas responsibility. Therefore if the NHC wanted to upgrade it would have to liaise with France, which holds high seas warning responsibility east of 35W. It's possible that this is why there has not yet been any advisory.
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Re: INVEST 92L in the Eastern Atlantic

#434 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:09 am

Frank2 wrote:Still, the quickscat observation would place the circulation center at 13N 19W - sounds "fishy" to me...

LOL


13 n is a not correct.. the image above has it placed at 12n very clearly..

actually may just south of that at 11.8n
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#435 Postby wyq614 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:10 am

FNMOC also shows 02L.Two
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#436 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:12 am

LLC appears to be just below 12N already, convection is just on the left quadrant.
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Re: INVEST 92L in the Eastern Atlantic

#437 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:12 am

even the quikscat here has it at 12 or slightly below.. and it also says noname,..

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#438 Postby wyq614 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:13 am

30kts
992mb???

Is it possible???
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Re: INVEST 92L in the Eastern Atlantic

#439 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:15 am

It seems as "everything" is starting to show this as td2. That is the quickscat now has it as so. Lets see if SAB shows it next!
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#440 Postby KWT » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:16 am

Yep so thats another thing that is calling this TD2, looking more likely now that we have our second system of the season, nothing is offical yet so still waiting and seeing what will come up but its looking more likely, also very far east by any standards yet alone for a July system!
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